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[ziloe]

I noticed that there is no option for whether we fought the High Dragon or not, and because of that, Varric in turn says the Sacred Ashes disappeared. Even whether we allowed Brother Genetivi to live or not, is not there and all of that affects the outcome of the Urn. i.e whether it becomes a tourist attraction or not, and this in turn can mean for a potential quest in DA2, depending on your decisions.

I'm wondering if this implies they want the Urn to disappear, so that it doesn't get destroyed in the explosion in Inquisition, as it was my understanding that that is where the meeting takes place.

((Discuss))

[Evamitchelle]

I noticed that there is no option for whether we fought the High Dragon or not, and because of that, Varric in turn says the Sacred Ashes disappeared. Even whether we allowed Brother Genetivi to live or not, is not there and all of that affects the outcome of the Urn. i.e whether it becomes a tourist attraction or not, and this in turn can mean for a potential quest in DA2, depending on your decisions.

I'm wondering if this implies they want the Urn to disappear, so that it doesn't get destroyed in the explosion in Inquisition, as it was my understanding that that is where the meeting takes place.

((Discuss))

 

Yes, my guess is that it's more convenient for DAI's story to have the Ashes disappear for everyone. Besides, they've said a few times that the epilogue slides aren't to be taken as 100% accurate all the time (otherwise Cullen wouldn't be in either DA2 and DAI for a lot of people). 

[Fardreamer]

Looks like a bit of a retcon.  I got the epilogue that pilgrims started going to see the Ashes and take part of their healing powers.  Now it looks like even if you didn't defile them, they somehow mysteriously vanished.

 

It doesn't matter if you kill the dragon or not.  You had the option to kill it whether you defiled the ashes or not.

[ziloe]

Looks like a bit of a retcon.  I got the epilogue that pilgrims started going to see the Ashes and take part of their healing powers.  Now it looks like even if you didn't defile them, they somehow mysteriously vanished.

 

It doesn't matter if you kill the dragon or not.  You had the option to kill it whether you defiled the ashes or not.

When you leave the High Dragon alone, it remains somewhat a protector of the ashes, and no one is able to get near it. Even more so if Genetivi is gone, as I recall.

Also, I would have loved to have kept the dragon alive, simply so my Inquisitor could fight it later on.

[Hexenkind23]

I'm a little disappointed with this one, because my warden did allow genitivi to discover the urn and defeated the high dragon.
But well, I think sadly the disappearance of the urn will be set as default for everyone.

[-Salinea-]

Yeah, I was a little surprised that the ashes simply "disappeared" though a part of me feels that if the Divine told Leliana to snatch them up, she would, regardless of her desire to spread faith in the Maker through physical evidence.  The retcon was still good for me because in the game I really went out of my way to try and make sure no one found the ashes (barring killing the dragon, I still killed it because I wanted phat loots).  My penchant for dragon murder came back to bite me given it appears some enterprising people could still follow the trail and find the ruins so my epilogue said that people still pilgrimage there.  I played a mage character that avidly despised religion and what it makes people do and feel about people like her so I made sure not to bring Wynne of Leiliana with me and I killed Brother Genitivi.  I was really torn about that last one but the idea that peoples hatred of mages could be reaffirmed and strengthened through a holy object was too big to ignore.  Seems my efforts were for naught in DA:O.  The more I think about it, I do figure Leiliana (or possibly Genitivi if he's kept alive) whisked the ashes away somewhere to keep secret and for a rainy day to manipulate all the little Andrastians on a low faith day.

[Skyrunner_Morgan]

If you don't kill off the High Dragon then the Chantry has a little bit of a problem to get to Andraste's Ashes and uses a LOT of Templars to kill off the dragon. By the time they down the High Dragon and enter the temple, the Ashes are no more. Oddly enough if you preserve the Urn it still doesn't mention if its there or no and all it says is that pilgrims travel there and the Chantry took over the temple.

 

If you defile the Urn and let Brother Genetivi live he will kill himself after his work is slandered and treated as blasphemy. The ending is the same weather or not you killed the High Dragon in this case after you defiled the Urn.

 

As I see it the fate of the High Dragon is somewhat important since the Dragon is mentioned in one version of the endings. The same should be done with the Disciples of Andraste since you can still kill them after you defiled the Urn and gained the Reaver specialization though what the cult will do after the blight ends is not clear and neither is it mentioned in any endings. The cult is mentioned in Inquisition and even the Reaver character in multiplayer is a former member of the cult. Presumably they were hunted down and reduced to a handful of people when the Chantry moved in the temple and took over Heaven. 

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

When you leave the High Dragon alone, it remains somewhat a protector of the ashes, and no one is able to get near it. Even more so if Genetivi is gone, as I recall.

Also, I would have loved to have kept the dragon alive, simply so my Inquisitor could fight it later on.

 

Well then your Inquisitor would have no chance against him since he would met the dragon on level 1.

[ziloe]

Well then your Inquisitor would have no chance against him since he would met the dragon on level 1.

Hey now, run away so I can fight another day, is still an option.

[Genuine UK]

couldn't you kill the high dragon after using the blood on the ashes to making it harder?

[Augustus Tirion]

The retcon was still good for me because in the game I really went out of my way to try and make sure no one found the ashes (barring killing the dragon, I still killed it because I wanted phat loots).

You can get the 'ashes disappeared' epilogue tile without killing Genetivi.

You send him home from the chantry building you find him in, don't take him with you to the temple entrance. Also (not sure if this matters), I didn't show him the ashes when I spoke to him back in Denerim after the quest.

[-Salinea-]

You can get the 'ashes disappeared' epilogue tile without killing Genetivi.

You send him home from the chantry building you find him in, don't take him with you to the temple entrance. Also (not sure if this matters), I didn't show him the ashes when I spoke to him back in Denerim after the quest.

Aw snap.  I've played origins 3 times and I still miss out on certain options!  Tempted to give it another go for that "perfect run" before Inquisition arrives at my door.

[AshenEndymion]

Well then your Inquisitor would have no chance against him since he would met the dragon on level 1.

 
The Risen Andraste doesn't stay at the Sacred Temple.  The epilogue intimates that it ravages the area of the Frostback Mountains the Temple is located for about 2-3 years, then it disappears...  It could have recognized something bad was going to happen at the Temple in the near future, and fled.
 
I would have liked the choice to have been incorporated in the Keep(and used in DAI) because it'd have been an interesting "bonus" High Dragon fight...  What with the Inquisitor possibly having to fight Kolgrim and company in order to even get to the Risen Andraste.  It's a disappointment that Inquisitors, in worlds where the Warden defiled the Ashes, likely won't get that option...

[Fardreamer]

 I was really torn about that last one but the idea that peoples hatred of mages could be reaffirmed and strengthened through a holy object was too big to ignore.  Seems my efforts were for naught in DA:O.  The more I think about it, I do figure Leiliana (or possibly Genitivi if he's kept alive) whisked the ashes away somewhere to keep secret and for a rainy day to manipulate all the little Andrastians on a low faith day.

 

It seems silly because Andraste was obviously an immensely powerful mage... I wonder when that will be revealed.  It should shake a lot of people's faith.

[movieguyabw]

Keep in mind, Inquisition takes place 10 years after Origins.  Even if people did make pilgrimages to the ashes for a time, it's very possible that they disappeared several years down the road anyway.

 

 

Personally, I feel the High Dragon is more of an issue.  The cultists seemed pretty certain that performing their ritual would grant the dragon some sort of immense power - yet it was possible to wipe out the cultists and the dragon after performing it.

 

Only way I can see them handling those two outcomes at this point would be to either say that the Dragon was killed anyway by some adventurer, or the ashes granted the Dragon the power to come back from the dead.  So even if you killed it in Origins, it's still alive by Inquisition.  (which actually kinda scares me, now that I'm thinking about it; since I poisoned the urn, then killed the cultists because I thought they were too dangerous to live  0o)

 

Then again I suppose they could go the whole "no one knows what happened to the dragon and the cultists" route, but it seems odd that they would abandon Haven; given that that's where the Dragon's nest is, and the cultists were watching over the High Dragons young.  How long do dragons live, anyway?  And how long does it take them to go from younglings to adults?

[Hexenkind23]

Because of the quesition how old dragons can actually be the wiki says:
 

Living for more than a thousand years, they are seldom seen and spend most of their time sleeping and mating, living off the prey their drakes bring back.

 

and
 

Once every hundred years or so, the high dragon prepares for clutching by emerging from her lair and taking wing.

 

 

Which can be read here:

http://dragonage.wik...iki/High_dragon

 

[movieguyabw]

^So, just a guess, but I'm thinking those young dragons would still need looking after; and I don't think the High Dragon or the cultists would be uprooting them and moving anytime soon. 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Retcon.

 

Well, maybe. It sounds like it.

 

I mean, it makes sense for the Ashes to disappear *eventually*, right? Having a magical cure-all floating around the world is a thorn in the side of any story. So for that reason, it's probably a good thing if something happens to it at some point.

 

But for Wardens who were opening the Ashes to pilgrims, I hope the Urn doesn't disappear until at *least* the Chantry expedition gets there, sees it's real, and Brother Genitivi actually gets some credit for going through all that torture discovering the damn thing.

[Luhrsen]

I would like for it to turn out that the cultists were right all along and that really was Andraste returned.

[INQUISITOR/Accelerator]

its a shame i seriously was looking forward to that specific choice(choice's) in a future game ( after completing DA for the first time and second) after all its the sacred ash we are talking about here and it major influence (what ever choice you did) it would've had in thedas, i dont know what i shoul think about that... we cant change it though... i still hope it has SOME impact at all it really was one of the most important choices and events for me in Dragon age Origins... 

 

Regards,

Accelerator

[ziloe]

Retcon.

 

Well, maybe. It sounds like it.

 

I mean, it makes sense for the Ashes to disappear *eventually*, right? Having a magical cure-all floating around the world is a thorn in the side of any story. So for that reason, it's probably a good thing if something happens to it at some point.

 

But for Wardens who were opening the Ashes to pilgrims, I hope the Urn doesn't disappear until at *least* the Chantry expedition gets there, sees it's real, and Brother Genitivi actually gets some credit for going through all that torture discovering the damn thing.

Yeah, I can see why too. Especially considering, IF the meeting is happening there, it would mean the urn was destroyed, and there goes any future plot for them.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Keep in mind, Inquisition takes place 10 years after Origins.  Even if people did make pilgrimages to the ashes for a time, it's very possible that they disappeared several years down the road anyway.

 

 

Personally, I feel the High Dragon is more of an issue.  The cultists seemed pretty certain that performing their ritual would grant the dragon some sort of immense power - yet it was possible to wipe out the cultists and the dragon after performing it.

 

Only way I can see them handling those two outcomes at this point would be to either say that the Dragon was killed anyway by some adventurer, or the ashes granted the Dragon the power to come back from the dead.  So even if you killed it in Origins, it's still alive by Inquisition.  (which actually kinda scares me, now that I'm thinking about it; since I poisoned the urn, then killed the cultists because I thought they were too dangerous to live  0o)

 

Then again I suppose they could go the whole "no one knows what happened to the dragon and the cultists" route, but it seems odd that they would abandon Haven; given that that's where the Dragon's nest is, and the cultists were watching over the High Dragons young.  How long do dragons live, anyway?  And how long does it take them to go from younglings to adults?

 

  I think the epilogue says the dragon eventually leaves anyway if you leave it alive.

[movieguyabw]

  I think the epilogue says the dragon eventually leaves anyway if you leave it alive.

 

It might depend on what you did with the Ashes, as well as the cultists.  I recall one of the epilogues stating that it burned down the village, if you poisoned the Urn and let the cultists live.  I don't know about it leaving afterwards.  (it's been a while since I read that one on the wiki.)

 

There's actually quite a few varying ones for that quest.

[ziloe]

It might depend on what you did with the Ashes, as well as the cultists.  I recall one of the epilogues stating that it burned down the village, if you poisoned the Urn and let the cultists live.  I don't know about it leaving afterwards.  (it's been a while since I read that one on the wiki.)

 

There's actually quite a few varying ones for that quest.

Which is exactly why it's so surprising to see its absence.