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[Gervaise]

Just want to confirm that I haven't missed something; there doesn't seem to be an option to say whether or not you persuaded him to stay in the Chantry or return to Starkhaven.   Am I right?

[Xilizhra]

Correct. Sebastian's relationship values are irrelevant. The only thing that's flagged at all is whether you recruited him.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

HAH i neverused him once out side his missions.

[herkles]

Correct. Sebastian's relationship values are irrelevant. The only thing that's flagged at all is whether you recruited him.

 

close. In the romance section, he is a choice. So it also checks if you romanced him or not. 

[Gervaise]

I had checked the romance section and that simply says that despite being in the Chantry he fell madly in love with Hawke.   However, the key issue which he spent the majority of the game angsting over was whether or not he ought to return to Starkhaven and reclaim his princedom.    It even seemed to affect how he viewed the romance.   If you urged him to stay in the Chantry, he suggested a "spiritual" marriage, so chaste in fact that we never even indulged in an innocent kiss.   Now my game got bugged before I had the chance to try to alternative option but I gather that if you urge him to return to Starkhaven he suggests that he will only marry Hawke when he has recovered his title.    Most people seemed to see this as a real power couple type thing with Hawke as Vicount joining the two city states together in political union.

 

From the wording of the romance section I can only assume that the default Sebastian remained a Chantry brother and that he only returned to Starkhaven if you spared Anders, since you cannot do this and remain in a romance with him.    So romanced Hawke is in a chaste marriage with a Chantry brother and there is no option for a romanced Hawke in a relationship with a Starkhaven prince.

 

I suppose in some ways that makes sense; Sebastian would only stop dithering if he felt the need to raise an army to track down Anders and punish Hawke for sparing him.

[Yermogi]

I always chose Anders over Sebastian. He may have killed hundreds of people in an explosion and started a war, but at least Anders has personality.

 

(sarcasm)

 

But seriously, I definitely prefer Anders over Sebastian. At least Anders served some purpose in the plot. Sebastian was just... there. Plus, his romance was pointless.

[Tamyn]

I wish we could choose the rivalry romance in the Keep, but alas no.

[Gervaise]

The romance wouldn't have been pointless if something had come of it on the rivalry arc.    I think quite a few people pushed him in that direction because they wanted him out of the Chantry's clutches.    Even if they were pro-Chantry some people preferred the more worldly Sebastian.      It just seems a pity that those who were in a rivalry romance will not get their choice recognised, which was an important part of the Sebastian story.   However, it sort of goes with the general importance of Sebastian in the game since of course he never features in the epilogue and, if romanced, poor Hawke is left alone.

 

I like the Keep but it does seem odd that a choice regarding a companion that is actually quite important to his character is left out but whether or not you spared Gascard du Puis, for example, is left in.    

[Aren]

Sebastian famous words  "Elthina  noo she was your most beloved nooooooo!" ahhahah

[Kieran G.]

Yes there is no choice regarding Sebastian except if you recruited him, and its likely for the better since he was a train wreck of a story arc. which would be kinda cool if you found out he was doing his own hunt for mage's with soldiers from starkhaven but otherwise all the choice involving him are pointless like many involving the companions. 

 

Like we don't have any options about have leliana or alistair harden. but both those choices effect the characters greatly. but since those are choices obviously it doesn't quite matter. just like Sebastian.

[LOLandStuff]

You should know by now that if there's one thing that defines Sebastian, it's that he can't make up hi own damn mind.

 

And it's contagious.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

The Chantry that he served in blew up and his surrogate mother is dead. I think his too busy being pissed to care anymore.

[Conquerthecity]

I'm betting that rivalry and friendship don't matter because they're a case of both paths leading to the same place. 

Isabela probably becomes a better person.

Sebastian probably retakes Starkhaven. 

Merrill probably gives up blood magic.

etc etc 

 

All regardless of whether Hawke rivaled or befriended them. 

[riverbanks]

From the wording of the romance section I can only assume that the default Sebastian remained a Chantry brother and that he only returned to Starkhaven if you spared Anders, since you cannot do this and remain in a romance with him.    So romanced Hawke is in a chaste marriage with a Chantry brother and there is no option for a romanced Hawke in a relationship with a Starkhaven prince.

 

Not necessarily. Sebastian was still in the Chantry whether you pursued a friendship or a rivalry - the rivalry path only implied he would take action at Starkhaven at some point, but not now. So the wording of the tile is correct - despite being in the Chantry (which he is one way or another) he fell in love with Hawke (which he can do one way or another).

 

The other implication you can take from the lack of a friendship/rivalry tile at the Keep (and the one I personally believe) is that this choice is like hardening Alistair or Leliana - it makes you feel like you're influencing people at the time, but at a certain point of events it just doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't matter if you told Sebastian to stay in the Chantry or not, if after the events of the ending he was hit hard enough with the weight of reality that he had to "wake up" from his stupor and finally take matters at Starkhaven seriously (whether you helped him get to that decision earlier or not). He's like Leliana and Alistair in this regard - whether you hardened them or not, once they were back in the writers' hands the plot made sure to harden them for you anyway. Sebastian too may have been taken a certain path no matter what you told him all those years back; so Hawke can very well be in a relationship with the Prince of Starkhaven now, if that's where the writers have chosen to take him once he was out of our hands.

[Killdren88]

Surprised that anyone thought Sebastian would have any value to him. He was made because we have grown to expect DLC companions at the time. Of course they show promise like Shale but Sebastian was a tasteless dry biscuit. Also if he has a worth while romance his DLC price would have been much higher.

[New Kid]

Surprised that anyone thought Sebastian would have any value to him. He was made because we have grown to expect DLC companions at the time. Of course they show promise like Shale but Sebastian was a tasteless dry biscuit. Also if he has a worth while romance his DLC price would have been much higher.

Sebastian doesn't hold a candle to Shale, that's true. Still, I thought the prince/priest thing would have been recognised, or his hissy fit if Ander's is spared!

[Tielis]

Wait, you can't say you romanced Seb, sided with the Templars, and killed Anders in the Keep?  That, to me, would indicate the "princess" ending.

[Catche Jagger]

Well, he's still got more than Valenna and Sigrun

[riverbanks]

Wait, you can't say you romanced Seb, sided with the Templars, and killed Anders in the Keep?  That, to me, would indicate the "princess" ending.

 

Not really? You can friendmance him and side with the Templars, you can rivalmance him and side with the mages. His friendship/rivalry path doesn't determine your ending choices. (though your ending choice + friend/rival path do change his disposition in your final conversation)

 

The only thing the Keep has made definitive is that sparing Anders ends your romance with Sebastian, no matter which relationship path you took or who you sided with. Everything else is up in the air until/if he comes back.

[Quyk Sylvyr]

I'm betting that rivalry and friendship don't matter because they're a case of both paths leading to the same place. 

Isabela probably becomes a better person.

Sebastian probably retakes Starkhaven. 

Merrill probably gives up blood magic.

etc etc 

 

All regardless of whether Hawke rivaled or befriended them. 

 

Yes and no - many of the companions in DAII had choices in the keep that kind of indicated a rival or friend tone without actually selecting "friend" or "rival."  For example - you could choose whether Merrill destroyed the mirror or kept the mirror.  Basically I think destroying the mirror sort of indicates more of a rival tone (even though I think you could technically destroy the mirror while friending Merrill.)   Fenris' reactions could be tied to whether you sided with the mages or the templars (and I always thought whether you favored mages or templars was one of the overarching friend vs. rival tone with Fenris). 

[Tielis]

Not really? You can friendmance him and side with the Templars, you can rivalmance him and side with the mages. His friendship/rivalry path doesn't determine your ending choices. (though your ending choice + friend/rival path do change his disposition in your final conversation)

 

The only thing the Keep has made definitive is that sparing Anders ends your romance with Sebastian, no matter which relationship path you took or who you sided with. Everything else is up in the air until/if he comes back.

 

I was pretty sure that if you spared Anders he blows a gasket and goes back to take Starkhaven no matter what.  Why would that end the rivalmance?

[Tielis]

Yes and no - many of the companions in DAII had choices in the keep that kind of indicated a rival or friend tone without actually selecting "friend" or "rival."  For example - you could choose whether Merrill destroyed the mirror or kept the mirror.  Basically I think destroying the mirror sort of indicates more of a rival tone (even though I think you could technically destroy the mirror while friending Merrill.)   Fenris' reactions could be tied to whether you sided with the mages or the templars (and I always thought whether you favored mages or templars was one of the overarching friend vs. rival tone with Fenris). 

 

I friendmanced Fenris, sided with the mages, and spared Anders.  He was shocked that that's what I made him do, but he came around in the end.  Kissed my Hawke and everything.

 

But maybe that's why DA2 LIs aren't coming back.  Too many variables due to the whole friendship/rivalry thing.

[riverbanks]

I was pretty sure that if you spared Anders he blows a gasket and goes back to take Starkhaven no matter what.  Why would that end the rivalmance?

 

In the Keep, choosing to romance Sebastian and choosing to spare Anders are mutually exclusive tiles. A few months ago I asked about this in the beta threads (because Sebastian's breakdown could be rationalized in many different ways), and was told that these tiles are working as intended - if you spare Anders, the game will consider your relationship with Sebastian over, friend or rival path.

 

It's one or the other. If you want to end the story with Hawke still in an active relationship with Sebastian, you have to kill Anders. If you want to spare Anders, you have to accept that Sebastian pretty much broke up with you right there. Can't have it all.

[Tielis]

In the Keep, choosing to romance Sebastian and choosing to spare Anders are mutually exclusive tiles. A few months ago I asked about this in the beta threads (because Sebastian's breakdown could be rationalized in many different ways), and was told that these tiles are working as intended - if you spare Anders, the game will consider your relationship with Sebastian over, friend or rival path.

 

It's one or the other. If you want to end the story with Hawke still in an active relationship with Sebastian, you have to kill Anders. If you want to spare Anders, you have to accept that Sebastian pretty much broke up with you right there. Can't have it all.

 

Bah, that sucks.    At least that saves me a "princess" worldstate.