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[Sully13]

The age of that straing craft that landed in Fereldan named Norman Age. 

[BronzTrooper]

The "Why do we even bother trying to fix things?" Age

[Sully13]

The Aaaaaawwwwe camon Age.

[ArvinDulku]

Hopefully The Golden Age.

An age that hopefully has a reformed Chantry at it's strongest, the xenophobic Dalish wiped out (or maybe more kindly they suddenly obtained a semblance of intelligence and left their embarrassingly stupid way of life behind), the Canticle of Shartan returned to the chant and all elves who assimilated are afforded full rights as equals before both the maker and their nation. The harmonious co existence of a reformed templar order and circle system that would allow both mages to be safe and at peace while allowing the populous to be safe from any potential magical mishaps.

And of course the tearing down of the monstrosity that is the Tevinter Empire with the Magisters dealt with harshly and public whilst all slaves are freed. And lastly an Exalted march of all free nations against the abomination that is the tyrannical Qun, pushing them away from Thedas. Personally I would consider it duty to wipe the earth of the Qun, but I guess I can live with just driving them off.

Yeah, a lot of hope and wishes there, but a man can dream innit? And after the **** that's been happening this age doesn't everyone deserve an age of peace and cooperation?

[BronzTrooper]

Hopefully The Golden Age.

An age that hopefully has a reformed Chantry at it's strongest, the xenophobic Dalish wiped out (or maybe more kindly they suddenly obtained a semblance of intelligence and left their embarrassingly stupid way of life behind), the Canticle of Shartan returned to the chant and all elves who assimilated are afforded full rights as equals before both the maker and their nation. The harmonious co existence of a reformed templar order and circle system that would allow both mages to be safe and at peace while allowing the populous to be safe from any potential magical mishaps.

And of course the tearing down of the monstrosity that is the Tevinter Empire with the Magisters dealt with harshly and public whilst all slaves are freed. And lastly an Exalted march of all free nations against the abomination that is the tyrannical Qun, pushing them away from Thedas. Personally I would consider it duty to wipe the earth of the Qun, but I guess I can live with just driving them off.

Yeah, a lot of hope and wishes there, but a man can dream innit? And after the **** that's been happening this age doesn't everyone deserve an age of peace and cooperation?

 

So, not only do you want to follow war with more war, you want the following wars to be for 'peace and cooperation'?  It seems like you only want the White Chantry nations to be at peace and cooperate with each other, damned be anyone who dares to follow a different religion or philosophy.  Great idea.  

 

Tevinter I can understand, but wiping out the Dalish and kicking the Qunari off of Thedas just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't exactly promote peace and cooperation.  But then, wars have been started over less...  

[ArvinDulku]

So, not only do you want to follow war with more war, you want the following wars to be for 'peace and cooperation'? It seems like you only want the White Chantry nations to be at peace and cooperate with each other, damned be anyone who dares to follow a different religion or philosophy. Great idea.

Tevinter I can understand, but wiping out the Dalish and kicking the Qunari off of Thedas just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't exactly promote peace and cooperation. But then, wars have been started over less...

As you said the Tevinter Empire needs to go, the Dalish are a bunch of xenophobic a-holes who culturally raise human hating racists whilst also hating their city siblings whom deign to not believe in fake gods (yes fake, cause there is absolutely no basis in fact for their religion whereas at least White Chantry can claim a prophet who actually existed/is actually acknowledged by all races and performed actual miracles, to which of course the Black Chantry claims magic), so yeah, only elves I care about are the City ones.

And the Qun? Do I really have to explain why they are a horror? And personally if they wanted to stay on their little island and practice their stupidity I would be fine with it but turns out they are a war mongering people whom intend to convert by the sword and are not beyond chemical lobotomy to force compliance. So yeah, they have it coming.

The Dragon Age is one of conflict anyway. Might as well use it to sweep the trash out.

[Sully13]

Age

[BronzTrooper]

As you said the Tevinter Empire needs to go, the Dalish are a bunch of xenophobic a-holes who culturally raise human hating racists whilst also hating their city siblings whom deign to not believe in fake gods (yes fake, cause there is absolutely no basis in fact for their religion whereas at least White Chantry can claim a prophet who actually existed/is actually acknowledged by all races and performed actual miracles, to which of course the Black Chantry claims magic), so yeah, only elves I care about are the City ones.

And the Qun? Do I really have to explain why they are a horror? And personally if they wanted to stay on their little island and practice their stupidity I would be fine with it but turns out they are a war mongering people whom intend to convert by the sword and are not beyond chemical lobotomy to force compliance. So yeah, they have it coming.

The Dragon Age is one of conflict anyway. Might as well use it to sweep the trash out.

 

All I said was that I understand wanting to wipe out Tevinter.  I never gave my opinion on what should happen to it.

 

As for the Dalish, you seem to think that their antagonism (not xenophobia) towards humans is completely unjustified.  The Dalish are wary of humans, not outright hateful towards them, though there are some that despise humans completely.  And saying that the Creators are fake because the Chantry has Andraste means absolutely nothing.  The Qunari have Koslun, who could be considered their prophet.  The Dalish have lost almost all knowledge of the pantheon of the Creators, their history, even their culture.  Saying that Creators are fake gods is just like saying that the Hindu gods irl are fake.  You have no way to prove it and it is entirely based on your opinion.

 

Now for the Qun, all we've seen of them in-game is the ataam which is their military.  The Qun is much like communism irl.  In theory it sounds like a great idea, but in practice it's not exactly the best thing ever.  Also, the Qunari use of Qamek is like the Templars' use of the Rite of Tranquility in that anyone subjected to it becomes essentially a mindless slave, meaning that your using that as a reason for how bad the Qunari are doesn't make sense.  Also, the Qunari and the Chantry both want to spread their beliefs throughout Thedas and are willing to do whatever they can to do so.  The Qunari, at least, are upfront about it, not bothering with all the cloak and dagger to hide their actions.

 

The Chantry on the other hand, prefers to say one thing while doing the opposite.  If the Chantry was 100% about peace and cooperation, the Divine wouldn't need someone like Leliana operating and the Seekers and Templars would exist specifically to watch the mages as the Chantry says.  The Chantry has called multiple Exalted Marches on different enemies from Tevinter, to the Dales, to the Qunari.  Why?  To protect the Chantry itself and combat opposing beliefs.  If the Grand Cathedral hadn't been located in Orlais when the Dales marched on through, Orlais would've been conquered.

 

Just because you don't like opposing beliefs doesn't mean that they're wrong and must be wiped out.

[Sully13]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=kjxSCAalsBE

[Sylentmana]

Considering all the demons falling from the sky I would gues The Demon Age.

[Wulfram]

Mass Age

Cleave Age

Sauce Age

[BronzTrooper]

The Old Age.

 

[ArvinDulku]

All I said was that I understand wanting to wipe out Tevinter. I never gave my opinion on what should happen to it.

As for the Dalish, you seem to think that their antagonism (not xenophobia) towards humans is completely unjustified. The Dalish are wary of humans, not outright hateful towards them, though there are some that despise humans completely. And saying that the Creators are fake because the Chantry has Andraste means absolutely nothing. The Qunari have Koslun, who could be considered their prophet. The Dalish have lost almost all knowledge of the pantheon of the Creators, their history, even their culture. Saying that Creators are fake gods is just like saying that the Hindu gods irl are fake. You have no way to prove it and it is entirely based on your opinion.

Now for the Qun, all we've seen of them in-game is the ataam which is their military. The Qun is much like communism irl. In theory it sounds like a great idea, but in practice it's not exactly the best thing ever. Also, the Qunari use of Qamek is like the Templars' use of the Rite of Tranquility in that anyone subjected to it becomes essentially a mindless slave, meaning that your using that as a reason for how bad the Qunari are doesn't make sense. Also, the Qunari and the Chantry both want to spread their beliefs throughout Thedas and are willing to do whatever they can to do so. The Qunari, at least, are upfront about it, not bothering with all the cloak and dagger to hide their actions.

The Chantry on the other hand, prefers to say one thing while doing the opposite. If the Chantry was 100% about peace and cooperation, the Divine wouldn't need someone like Leliana operating and the Seekers and Templars would exist specifically to watch the mages as the Chantry says. The Chantry has called multiple Exalted Marches on different enemies from Tevinter, to the Dales, to the Qunari. Why? To protect the Chantry itself and combat opposing beliefs. If the Grand Cathedral hadn't been located in Orlais when the Dales marched on through, Orlais would've been conquered.

Just because you don't like opposing beliefs doesn't mean that they're wrong and must be wiped out.

Nope. I am pretty confident in saying the creators are a bunch of made up stuff the Dalish stupidly hold unto because as you yourself mention(the fact they don't really know anything about their past), there is absolutely no logical basis to even allow the possibility, except to simply accept its hokum.

And considering I am an Atheist of course I consider Hinduism a bunch of malarkey as well. What does that have to do with anything?

And how does Koslun compare to Andraste? While both exist, she is the only one with accredited miracles to her name. And the only reason I brought her up was to simply illustrate if I was going to believe in the divine, at the very least the White Chantry could convince me logically that they might actually be right.

And again, how does the right of tranquility compare Qamek at all? Tranquil mages are a sad necessity, though personally I would consider it kinder to simply mercy kill mages who can't resist demons, but since a number of mages prefer the rites over death I guess the choice should be continued to be offered.

Qamek is forcibly forced unto you the moment you refuse to bend and embrace their stupidity.

One is sadly needed whilst the other is an abomination.

And lastly to compare the the chantry to the Qun? Seriously? There have been if I am not mistaken in total 8 marches, 6 against the Tevinter Empire (evil mage empire, with slaves and blood magics) one against the invading Qunari and one against the Dales (who refuse to aid during the second blight, the event at Red Crossing, sacking of human cities and potentially ritual human sacrifices) and in my mind all justified to varying degrees with not a single one committed in the name of conversions. The Quanari on the other hand invaded solely to convert by the sword. How does that even compare.

And considering I am pro circle I have no issue with templars watching over mages.

Seriously, you comparisons are horribly reaching, not sure what that's about.

So yeah.

[BronzTrooper]

Nope. I am pretty confident in saying the creators are a bunch of made up stuff the Dalish stupidly hold unto because as you yourself mention(the fact they don't really know anything about their past), there is absolutely no logical basis to even allow the possibility, except to simply accept its hokum.

And considering I am an Atheist of course I consider Hinduism a bunch of malarkey as well. What does that have to do with anything?

 

I suspect that if the Dalish had knowledge on the origins of their beliefs, there would be a prophet of some sort that got their whole belief system started.  You're using that lack of knowledge (which is a result of first Tevinter destroying Arlathan and enslaving the elves for a thousand years, then the Dales being conquered under the Exalted March) as reasoning behind why the Dalish belief system is fake and made up.  All religious beliefs are subjective.

 

I'm Atheist too, but I don't discredit religions on what they don't say or what isn't known about them.  I focus on the actions of those who follow those religions.

 

And how does Koslun compare to Andraste? While both exist, she is the only one with accredited miracles to her name. And the only reason I brought her up was to simply illustrate if I was going to believe in the divine, at the very least the White Chantry could convince me logically that they might actually be right.

 

Jesus and Moses are also said to have preformed miracles as well, though that is likely hyperbole and exaggeration.  Who says that Andraste isn't the same?

 

And again, how does the right of tranquility compare Qamek at all? Tranquil mages are a sad necessity, though personally I would consider it kinder to simply mercy kill mages who can't resist demons, but since a number of mages prefer the rites over death I guess the choice should be continued to be offered.

Qamek is forcibly forced unto you the moment you refuse to bend and embrace their stupidity.

One is sadly needed whilst the other is an abomination.

 

Viddath-bas (those turned mindless by Qamek) are also a necessary evil in the Qun, just like the Tranquil mages.  Also, mages were routinely made Tranquil against their will in Kirkwall, so the 'option' for mages to go through the Rite of Tranquility isn't always their choice.  Not to mention Jowan during the Magi origin in DA:O.  He would've been made Tranquil against his will if he hadn't escaped.  Besides, we have yet to see a mage who is mentally health say that they would prefer being made Tranquil over dying.  There are multiple mages in-game that would rather die than be made Tranquil.

 

While Qamek is forced on people, the Rite of Tranquility accomplishes the same result but through magic rather than Qamek.

 

And lastly to compare the the chantry to the Qun? Seriously? There have been if I am not mistaken in total 8 marches, 6 against the Tevinter Empire (evil mage empire, with slaves and blood magics) one against the invading Qunari and one against the Dales (who refuse to aid during the second blight, the event at Red Crossing, sacking of human cities and potentially ritual human sacrifices) and in my mind all justified to varying degrees with not a single one committed in the name of conversions. The Quanari on the other hand invaded solely to convert by the sword. How does that even compare.

 

So, just because you agree with one faction and disagree with the other, you ignore the similarities?  Figures.

 

There were 3 Exalted Marches against the Qunari, 5 against Tevinter (which has been around much longer than the Qunari), and 1 against the Dales.  The Exalted Marches against the Qunari were to push them back to Par Vollen.  The Exalted Marches against Tevinter pushed them back to their current borders.  The Exalted March against the Dales resulted in the entire nation being conquered and the surviving elves being forced to give up their culture entirely and live under humans as second-class citizens, or being forced to wander the wilderness, not welcome anywhere.  Tell me how giving that kind of ultimatum isn't forcing people to convert.

 

Also, like I said, we've only seen the POV of the ataam.  Not to mention that the Qunari's perception on the world is a bit... restricted.  But then, all religions have a restricted view of the world, so that point doesn't have as much impact.

 

And considering I am pro circle I have no issue with templars watching over mages.

Seriously, you comparisons are horribly reaching, not sure what that's about.

So yeah.

 

I never gave my opinion on whether or not I agreed with the Circle.  All I said was that the Chantry says that the Templars simply exist to defend, yet they've been on the offensive multiple times (i.e.: the Exalted Marches).  The Chantry is like a typical modern-day government.  They say one thing, do the opposite, and condemn those who criticize them.

 

* sighs *  This isn't going to go anywhere, is it?  I don't even know why I bother replying at all...  

[The Ascendant]

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