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[Diva Quinzel]

I don't know if anyone else has thought of this, but I feel that we really need an option of picking out own Orlesian Warden in the Keep.
I like most people did the ritual, but I have a character I would like to do the Ultimate Sacrifice with, but when I found out that I had no say in who the Orlseian Warden would be creating that World state just kind of felt pointless.

I would love it if this could be brought to the devs attention, maybe the option could appear if you picked that the Warden died slaying the Archdemon, or it will simply be a choice between The Warden and the Orlesian Warden and either choice would be locked depending on how DAO ended?

Thank you for reading this.
And please do give your opinion on the matter. 
 

[Devil's Avocado]

The OW has been requested many times even during closed beta. They are very much aware of it and has already addressed it in there Twitch streams. They won't be adding the OW anytime soon (and not in time for DA:I) due to the complexity of it, but it's something they are looking into further down the road.

 

There is an option whether the Warden lived or died and it's assumed that the OW did the DLC events Awakening, golem's and Witch hunt if dead.

[Ranadiel Marius]

They are working on adding choosing an Orlesian Warden, but it won't be in before DAI releases.

[Genuine UK]

well that's a major failing i think should have been added at the start do you think the devs have played dragon age ?

[Etragorn]

I would imagine the devs thought of the Orlesian Warden as a device for people to play Awakenings and subsequent DA:O DLC, not a character that people would actually be invested in.

[Kantr]

well that's a major failing i think should have been added at the start do you think the devs have played dragon age ?

Perhaps it was a lot of work and the early testers did not request it? Their first priority was to get the keep working after all, then clear bugs while adding tiles

[rprm1987]

well that's a major failing i think should have been added at the start do you think the devs have played dragon age ?

 

There 1st priority is to cater to the devs of DAI. So  characters that will not appear in DAI are given less priority.

[thedancingdruid]

well that's a major failing i think should have been added at the start do you think the devs have played dragon age ?

 

Agreed.

 

 

I would imagine the devs thought of the Orlesian Warden as a device for people to play Awakenings and subsequent DA:O DLC, not a character that people would actually be invested in.

 

I'm not invested in the Orlesian Warden at all. I am, however, very much invested in my Warden. I don't want to pick Awakening or Witch Hunt tiles at all unless I have a guarantee that those decisions will not be attributed to my warden hero who sacrificed all to end the Blight. Is it so silly that I want ONE Warden who wasn't afraid to die for the cause? ONE Warden who wasn't "experimented" on by the Architect?

 

I don't want a...if you're warden is dead it is assumed...blah, blah, blah. That is simply at this stage of the game not good enough. It's not like the whole "resurrection" business when Awakening came out fell silent. This has been an issue for some years now.

 

Their first priority was to get the keep working after all, then clear bugs while adding tiles

 

Then they failed. Clearly having tiles associated to a Sacrificed Hero is a major bug. Why wasn't that one of the first priorities of the Keep? The Keep should have corrected inconsistencies and bugs first, not where I ordered my game from, how much I spent on DLC and whether or not I have the Platinum trophy.

 

There 1st priority is to cater to the devs of DAI. So  characters that will not appear in DAI are given less priority.

 

Exactly, if I can't have an Orlesian Warden...fine or an option to say "Didn't Complete Awakening" and "Didn't Complete Witch Hunt"...fine. I simply then would like a nod that the Architect and Awakening don't matter to Inquisition.

[Kantr]

Agreed.

 

 

 

I'm not invested in the Orlesian Warden at all. I am, however, very much invested in my Warden. I don't want to pick Awakening or Witch Hunt tiles at all unless I have a guarantee that those decisions will not be attributed to my warden hero who sacrificed all to end the Blight. Is it so silly that I want ONE Warden who wasn't afraid to die for the cause? ONE Warden who wasn't "experimented" on by the Architect?

 

I don't want a...if you're warden is dead it is assumed...blah, blah, blah. That is simply at this stage of the game not good enough. It's not like the whole "resurrection" business when Awakening came out fell silent. This has been an issue for some years now.

 

 

Then they failed. Clearly having tiles associated to a Sacrificed Hero is a major bug. Why wasn't that one of the first priorities of the Keep? The Keep should have corrected inconsistencies and bugs first, not where I ordered my game from, how much I spent on DLC and whether or not I have the Platinum trophy.

 

 

Exactly, if I can't have an Orlesian Warden...fine or an option to say "Didn't Complete Awakening" and "Didn't Complete Witch Hunt"...fine. I simply then would like a nod that the Architect and Awakening don't matter to Inquisition.

Well. Write a strongly worded letter to the team then about how there should be a tile and not an assumption. Perhaps you could tell them how to implement it

[Devil's Avocado]

 

Exactly, if I can't have an Orlesian Warden...fine or an option to say "Didn't Complete Awakening" and "Didn't Complete Witch Hunt"...fine. I simply then would like a nod that the Architect and Awakening don't matter to Inquisition.

It doesn't really matter if it's not important to DA:I, the events of awakening can have an impact on any future DA game as long as that's a possibility they'll remain in the DA canon as events that happened regardless of which Warden did it.

[thedancingdruid]

Well. Write a strongly worded letter to the team then about how there should be a tile and not an assumption. Perhaps you could tell them how to implement it

 

"Didn't Complete" much like "Didn't Recruit" would seem the easiest option.

[thedancingdruid]

It doesn't really matter if it's not important to DA:I, the events of awakening can have an impact on any future DA game as long as that's a possibility they'll remain in the DA canon as events that happened regardless of which Warden did it.

 

It matters to me. And, DA doesn't have a "Canon". Though I have all outside media and know the direction of their personal journey.

[Hexenkind23]

Well, some things are indeed canon, regardless of our choices.
Like killing morrigan or leliana for example.
They both life on either way.

[Devil's Avocado]

It matters to me. And, DA doesn't have a "Canon". Though I have all outside media and know the direction of their personal journey.

They do indeed have a canon. Certain events occur one way or another. Awakening, Witch Hunt etc. happens, they are not optional events. How they occur (who's involved) is what differs and not deemed under canon. With the  logic your presenting, slaying the archdemon and Anders triggering the rebellion in kirkwall are also non canon.

[Etragorn]

Yes, there is a certain amount of established canon, that can indeed differ from out respective choices in previous games. Same thing with Mass Effect. We an make choices, but there is indeed an official "canon" established by Bioware for their titles.

[thedancingdruid]

They do indeed have a canon. Certain events occur one way or another. Awakening, Witch Hunt etc. happens, they are not optional events. How they occur (who's involved) is what differs and not deemed under canon. With the  logic your presenting, slaying the archdemon and Anders triggering the rebellion in kirkwall are also non canon.

 

Yes, there is a certain amount of established canon, that can indeed differ from out respective choices in previous games. Same thing with Mass Effect. We an make choices, but there is indeed an official "canon" established by Bioware for their titles.

 

It just didn't seem to much to ask of the Keep that my "Canon", my Warden didn't force Alistair to have sex with Morrigan and didn't use a baby as a cage for soul, a corrupted soul at that.

 

I'm simply asking that the events of Awakening not be attributed to my Warden.

[Hexenkind23]

They aren't attributed to YOUR warden, if YOUR warden didn't survived, awakening, witch hunt and amgarrak will automatically be done by the orlesian warden, regardless if you play him or her or not.

[Shelidon]

They do indeed have a canon. Certain events occur one way or another. Awakening, Witch Hunt etc. happens, they are not optional events. How they occur (who's involved) is what differs and not deemed under canon. With the  logic your presenting, slaying the archdemon and Anders triggering the rebellion in kirkwall are also non canon.

 

I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but I always interpreted the "Bioware canon" in a slightly different way.

 

What I have always viewed as Bioware Canon is the default world, sort of their preferred choice, i.e. the world state you will get if you start Inquisition without importing anything from the keep. As far as I've heard, that default world state is the one with a Female Dalish Elf performing the Ultimate Sacrifice.

On the other side, I've always considered what is here described as canon simply as keypoints of the plot. The way you can't avoid being conscripted into the wardens in Origins. The way you can't stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry. All those things that will simply happen, no matter what... I don't consider them when we are talking about canon. That's because we tend to use the definition incorrectly when it comes to Bioware: it is incorrect to say that the Dalish Elf Warden is Bioware Canon, simply because all the other wardens are in canon too. We shouldn't use the word canon. We should talk about default world state. Or not? Technically everything is in canon, except for few possible outcomes from Awakening. Am I wrong? Am I just delirious? Too much blood sugar, maybe?

[Devil's Avocado]

They aren't attributed to YOUR warden, if YOUR warden didn't survived, awakening, witch hunt and amgarrak will automatically be done by the orlesian warden, regardless if you play him or her or not.

thedancingdruid knows this, as s/he stated above:

 

 

I don't want a...if you're warden is dead it is assumed...blah, blah, blah. That is simply at this stage of the game not good enough. It's not like the whole "resurrection" business when Awakening came out fell silent. This has been an issue for some years now.

The problem with adding the OW is that they can't add just one tile but six, each to represent each gener/race combo and reroutting those choices to all post DLC content and making sure once those are selected you can't double select the same two wardens if the warden dies, the list goes on. They mentioned in the twitch stream that is quite complex network of code that will take time and a lot of extra testing. I agree they should add the OW, but patience seems to be key here.
 

 

I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but I always interpreted the "Bioware canon" in a slightly different way.

 

What I have always viewed as Bioware Canon is the default world, sort of their preferred choice, i.e. the world state you will get if you start Inquisition without importing anything from the keep. As far as I've heard, that default world state is the one with a Female Dalish Elf performing the Ultimate Sacrifice.

On the other side, I've always considered what is here described as canon simply as keypoints of the plot. The way you can't avoid being conscripted into the wardens in Origins. The way you can't stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry. All those things that will simply happen, no matter what... I don't consider them when we are talking about canon. That's because we tend to use the definition incorrectly when it comes to Bioware: it is incorrect to say that the Dalish Elf Warden is Bioware Canon, simply because all the other wardens are in canon too. We shouldn't use the word canon. We should talk about default world state. Or not? Technically everything is in canon, except for few possible outcomes from Awakening. Am I wrong? Am I just delirious? Too much blood sugar, maybe?

The definition of canon are any rules, laws and events that are considered absolute and genuine. All events that we have no control over in DA or any game is considered canon because the authors deem it so. The star wars movies are canon. The fact that novemeber has 30 days in it's month is canon. 2+2=4 is canon.

What you're talking about is 'headcanon' or 'non canon' events that are loose and can change because we're given the choice to do so.

[Hexenkind23]

I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but I always interpreted the "Bioware canon" in a slightly different way.

 

What I have always viewed as Bioware Canon is the default world, sort of their preferred choice, i.e. the world state you will get if you start Inquisition without importing anything from the keep. As far as I've heard, that default world state is the one with a Female Dalish Elf performing the Ultimate Sacrifice.

On the other side, I've always considered what is here described as canon simply as keypoints of the plot. The way you can't avoid being conscripted into the wardens in Origins. The way you can't stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry. All those things that will simply happen, no matter what... I don't consider them when we are talking about canon. That's because we tend to use the definition incorrectly when it comes to Bioware: it is incorrect to say that the Dalish Elf Warden is Bioware Canon, simply because all the other wardens are in canon too. We shouldn't use the word canon. We should talk about default world state. Or not? Technically everything is in canon, except for few possible outcomes from Awakening. Am I wrong? Am I just delirious? Too much blood sugar, maybe?

Well, I have to agree with you that the word "canon" is probably the wrong way to describe it, yes.^^

[Shelidon]

The definition of canon are any rules, laws and events that are considered absolute and genuine. All events that we have no control over in DA or any game is considered canon because the authors deem it so. The star wars movies are canon. The fact that novemeber has 30 days in it's month is canon. 2+2=4 is canon.

What you're talking about is 'headcanon' or 'non canon' events that are loose and can change because we're given the choice to do so.

 

Yes, I know what a canon is outside of Bioware. My point was that Bioware uses Canon incorrectly when they say that their canon is the Dalish Warden Ultimate Sacrifice thing, and that technically everything in the DA games is canon, every choice made by the player is valid and taken into consideration in the following game. I can't think of anything that is not canon, except for Anders accidentally dying in Awakening. Even killing Leliana is canon, since they stated that her survival will be explained.

[Devil's Avocado]

Yes, I know what a canon is outside of Bioware. My point was that Bioware uses Canon incorrectly when they say that their canon is the Dalish Warden Ultimate Sacrifice thing, and that technically everything in the DA games is canon, every choice made by the player is valid and taken into consideration in the following game. I can't think of anything that is not canon, except for Anders accidentally dying in Awakening. Even killing Leliana is canon, since they stated that her survival will be explained.

I think that's more the fans fault since bioware try to avoid the word canon but when people ask what's 'the canon world state' they have to answer some how. I think they try to use the wording 'default world state' more.

[thedancingdruid]

They aren't attributed to YOUR warden, if YOUR warden didn't survived, awakening, witch hunt and amgarrak will automatically be done by the orlesian warden, regardless if you play him or her or not.

 

It would be nice if BioWare will simply come out and state that then as currently the tiles do not reflect this scenario, especially considering Oghren's placement amongst the Awakening tiles incurs further doubt.

[Devil's Avocado]

It would be nice if BioWare will simply come out and state that then as currently the tiles do not reflect this scenario, especially considering Oghren's placement amongst the Awakening tiles incurs further doubt.

They did during the twitch Keep Q&A streams.

[Hexenkind23]

It would be nice if BioWare will simply come out and state that then as currently the tiles do not reflect this scenario, especially considering Oghren's placement amongst the Awakening tiles incurs further doubt.

I think the reason of oghren being in the awakening section is because that oghren can last be seen and recruited there.
But I found it a little confusing too, same with nathaniel being in the companion section and oghren not.