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They did during the twitch Keep Q&A streams.

 

Thank you so much, wow. I only heard that they would look into adding the Orlesian Warden in the future and was therefore quite concerned as I'm not sure the future will be in time for the 18th and I definitely plan on playing ASAP. If it is indeed true that Inquisition will recognize the Orlesian Warden then I have no worries.



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I think the reason of oghren being in the awakening section is because that oghren can last be seen and recruited there.
But I found it a little confusing too, same with nathaniel being in the companion section and oghren not.

 

Except the specific wording on the tiles for Oghren is incorrect and deals with his recruitment following the Deep Roads. No matter I can hand-wave such inaccuracy well enough and let my Ferelden Warden answer those tiles.



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They did during the twitch Keep Q&A streams.

 

Sorry, would these be the streams with Renata & Co.? I thought I viewed all of them but I'll re-watch.



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Except the specific wording on the tiles for Oghren is incorrect and deals with his recruitment following the Deep Roads. No matter I can hand-wave such inaccuracy well enough and let my Ferelden Warden answer those tiles.

Now that you mention it. It is a little confusing and partly false.
I didn't bother with it because my warden survived and it was all right in my own head canon.^^



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Thank you so much, wow. I only heard that they would look into adding the Orlesian Warden in the future and was therefore quite concerned as I'm not sure the future will be in time for the 18th and I definitely plan on playing ASAP. If it is indeed true that Inquisition will recognize the Orlesian Warden then I have no worries.

Tile specifically for Orlesian Warden will not be in before DAI release, according to what they said in the stream (as I recall).

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Sorry, would these be the streams with Renata & Co.? I thought I viewed all of them but I'll re-watch.

Yes those streams.

 

I can't recall which one but they answered the question in two of the more streams. I think three week ago is the furthest back.



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Now that you mention it. It is a little confusing and partly false.
I didn't bother with it because my warden survived and it was all right in my own head canon.^^

 

Believe me I've had Wardens in the past who survived. It's just something my son said to me recently about using the baby as a cage to trap the archdemon; I can't unthink it; there is not enough bleach in the world.



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Now that you mention it. It is a little confusing and partly false.
I didn't bother with it because my warden survived and it was all right in my own head canon.^^

Orghen's recruitment used to be under companions but it was later moved to awakening. The reason for this is only in awakening do you have the chance to recruit or dismiss him. In Origin's he's permanent and won't go away. They figure this would avoid the confusion in thinking this was a choice in Origins.



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Believe me I've had Wardens in the past who survived. It's just something my son said to me recently about using the baby as a cage to trap the archdemon; I can't unthink it; there is not enough bleach in the world.

With "my warden" I meant my most recent one that I've played recently because of the release of inquisition.
I see what you mean.^^
I hope they will fix those tiles in the future too, I mean they're only not in the right place with the false description, but the decisions themselves are right and that what's important in the end.



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Orghen's recruitment used to be under companions but it was later moved to awakening. The reason for this is only in awakening do you have the change to recruit or dismiss him. In Origin's he's permanent and won't go away. They figure this would avoid the confusion in thinking this was a choice in Origins.

 

A, now I can understand. Well, this makes sense actually.^^

Those are some tiles where you can always argue whether they should put it there or rather there.
And they can't make everything "right" for everyone I think.



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Tile specifically for Orlesian Warden will not be in before DAI release, according to what they said in the stream (as I recall).

 

I don't need the "tile" specifically, only that Inquisition recognizes the Ultimate Sacrifice. As long as the Awakening decisions are not attributed to her, it is all good.


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Orghen's recruitment used to be under companions but it was later moved to awakening. The reason for this is only in awakening do you have the chance to recruit or dismiss him. In Origin's he's permanent and won't go away. They figure this would avoid the confusion in thinking this was a choice in Origins.

 

Understood. I guess editing the wording just may be harder than I thought.



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in one of my games my warden did the ritual and survived but did not do the events of awaking as it was the Orlesian warden this option is missing and its a major fail on the devs part no matter what you say all playable characters should be on the Keep and before anyone say wright  to the devs or submit it to them on feedback i did in closed beta 


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Orghen's recruitment used to be under companions but it was later moved to awakening. The reason for this is only in awakening do you have the chance to recruit or dismiss him. In Origin's he's permanent and won't go away. They figure this would avoid the confusion in thinking this was a choice in Origins.

you recruited him in origins too and could dismiss him at the camp



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in one of my games my warden did the ritual and survived but did not do the events of awaking as it was the Orlesian warden this option is missing and its a major fail on the devs part no matter what you say all playable characters should be on the Keep and before anyone say wright  to the devs or submit it to them on feedback i did in closed beta 

I see that you didn't read the posts above you. The orlesian warden exists automatically if your warden dies at the battle of denerim, whether yourself played him or not. Therefore those events taking place either way.



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you recruited him in origins too and could dismiss him at the camp

The key word here is recruitment. He'll join in origin's either way while in awakening you either recruit him into the wardens or you don't.

Maybe they could add a 'dismissal' tile for all characters that can be dismissed.


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I see that you didn't read the posts above you. The orlesian warden exists automatically if your warden dies at the battle of denerim, whether yourself played him or not. Therefore those events taking place either way.

 

And perhaps you didn't read his as his Warden didn't die but chose to NOT become the Warden Commander.


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The key word here is recruitment. He'll join in origin's either way while in awakening you either recruit him into the wardens or you don't.

Maybe they could add a 'dismissal' tile for all characters that can be dismissed.

they use the word recruited for all the companions from origin what are not wardens, if your correct then all there tiles are wrong maybe they could change Orghrens tile to recruited to wardens/not recruited to wardens



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And perhaps you didn't read his as his Warden didn't die but chose to NOT become the Warden Commander.

Okay, yes, but even if his warden don't die in denerim you can assume that the orlesian warden did those things instead of the hero of ferelden.

If I wouldn't had played awakening I just wouldn't touch those tiles as I didn't played them myself.



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I see that you didn't read the posts above you. The orlesian warden exists automatically if your warden dies at the battle of denerim, whether yourself played him or not. Therefore those events taking place either way.

my warden didn't die



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Okay, yes, but even if his warden don't die in denerim you can assume that the orlesian warden did those things instead of the hero of ferelden.

If I wouldn't had played awakening I just wouldn't touch those tiles as I didn't played them myself.

but i did play awakening but with the orlesian warden and if you don't touch those tiles the default ones will still port to the game what shows my warden doing them like i said its a fail on the devs side 


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my warden didn't die

Yes, that was my mistake, I now understand that. But even so you could assume that the orlesian warden did the events of awakening and the dlcs instead of your warden if you didn't played it.

But well, I cannot say if those events will be attributed to your warden automatically if he survived.
One could assume so..and that is your particular problem, right?^^

Sorry for my lack of understanding at first, because I mostly play my warden fairly similar.^^



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Why do you want the Orliesian Warden? This character is unimportant. What they did mattered, but the character isn't as important to history as the Warden who defeated an Arch Demon. Most people don't know this wasn't just another Dark Spawn attack and the Warden Commander leaves not very long after. The OW is nothing more than a stand in so you can play Awakening even if your Warden died.

 

That said, what that person did, such as saving the city, keep, or both and the fate of the Architect could be very important.



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Why do you want the Orliesian Warden? This character is unimportant. What they did mattered, but the character isn't as important to history as the Warden who defeated an Arch Demon. Most people don't know this wasn't just another Dark Spawn attack and the Warden Commander leaves not very long after. The OW is nothing more than a stand in so you can play Awakening even if your Warden died.

 

That said, what that person did, such as saving the city, keep, or both and the fate of the Architect could be very important.

you answered you own question at the end if you play the Orliesian warden what he did was very important


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I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but I always interpreted the "Bioware canon" in a slightly different way.

 

What I have always viewed as Bioware Canon is the default world, sort of their preferred choice, i.e. the world state you will get if you start Inquisition without importing anything from the keep. As far as I've heard, that default world state is the one with a Female Dalish Elf performing the Ultimate Sacrifice.

On the other side, I've always considered what is here described as canon simply as keypoints of the plot. The way you can't avoid being conscripted into the wardens in Origins. The way you can't stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry. All those things that will simply happen, no matter what... I don't consider them when we are talking about canon. That's because we tend to use the definition incorrectly when it comes to Bioware: it is incorrect to say that the Dalish Elf Warden is Bioware Canon, simply because all the other wardens are in canon too. We shouldn't use the word canon. We should talk about default world state. Or not? Technically everything is in canon, except for few possible outcomes from Awakening. Am I wrong? Am I just delirious? Too much blood sugar, maybe?

As far as the games are concerned,w hat you call "Bioware Canon" is not really canon as much as it is default, the other word you actually do use. Now they would be canon if Bioware were to make a movie or book of Dragon Age: Origins and use those details..