Darkspawn chronicles is canon now? Why isn't there a choice in the Keep saying "darkspawn destroyed Ferelden, the fifth blight is ongoing"?
you ware talking hypothetical about what would happen if the warden was not there in the events of Dragon Age Origins that is what Darkspawn chronicles is
you ware talking hypothetical about what would happen if the warden was not there in the events of Dragon Age Origins that is what Darkspawn chronicles is
No. I was saying that the important events that take place in DAO cannot be resolved without the Warden being present...
The Darkspawn Chronicles may prove the events would have still taken place without the Warden, but it also proves that, without the Warden, each of those events were essentially pointless because Ferelden was destroyed anyway, and the Fifth Blight continued...
No. I was saying that the important events that take place in DAO cannot be resolved without the Warden being present...
The Darkspawn Chronicles may prove the events would have still taken place without the Warden, but it also proves that, without the Warden, each of those events were essentially pointless because Ferelden was destroyed anyway, and the Fifth Blight continued...
the ppl and races that show up in Darkspawn Chronicles shows that the events took place and that they where resolved and its possible for Alister and the companions to kill the Archdemon in Darkspawn Chronicles Ending the Fifth Blight
the ppl and races that show up in Darkspawn Chronicles shows that the events took place and that they where resolved and its possible for Alister and the companions to kill the Archdemon in Darkspawn Chronicles Ending the Fifth Blight
But they don't kill the Archdemon and end the fifth blight. In Darkspawn Chronicles, they all die, and the Archdemon survives.
Saying it's possible for the Archdemon to be killed in Darkspawn Chronicles is like saying it's possible for the Warden to completely ignore the Fifth Blight and move to Tevinter. It could have happened, but if you play the game, it clearly didn't.
But the Urn of Sacred ashes can't be found without the Warden. Eamon can't be saved without the Warden. No King is named in Orzammar and the Dalish/Werewolf situation isn't resolved without the Warden. Events can take place without the Warden...
i am trying to show you that Alistair takes the place of the HoF in the events you say with out him don't get resolved that is all
But they don't kill the Archdemon and end the fifth blight. In Darkspawn Chronicles, they all die, and the Archdemon survives.
Saying it's possible for the Archdemon to be killed in Darkspawn Chronicles is like saying it's possible for the Warden to completely ignore the Fifth Blight and move to Tevinter. It could have happened, but if you play the game, it clearly didn't.
no its nothing like that because there two out comes at the end of Darkspawn Chronicles fail to kill Alistair & Co or you kill Alistair & Co
Yeah, but if you fail to kill Alistair, you get a game over. No save is created where Alistair saved Ferelden as the last Grey Warden.
"Your post as Warden-Commander of Ferelden has been filled with challenges and difficulties. As an Orlesian, the local nobility in Amaranthine have given you a frosty reception. Weisshaupt has provided little direct assistance but has recently promised more aid if you complete one small task.During the last Blight, the hero of Ferelden worked with a purported witch of the Kocari Wilds: Morrigan. The role she and her mother, Flemeth, played in the Blight has caused a great deal of concern to the First Warden. Although scarce on details, the First Warden is offering considerable support if you find Morrigan and acquire some information. What information you need to attain, though, is frustratingly vague. "-Codex for the OW who plays Witch HuntTL:DR The First Warden is worried about Flemeths (a legendary abomination) and Morrigans (spawn of the legend) involvement with the Blight.This might be because of Flemeths warning before Ostagar, that she saved the Warden, that Morrigan was sent to accompany the Warden, that Morrigan was spotted entering/exiting the Wardens chamber before the battle of the Archdemon or just the fact that a legend like Flemeth was involved in the story at all.So he sends the local errand-boy/girl from Orlais to investigate. That's why the Orlesian Warden goes looking for Morrigan. And if the Orlesian warden refused, the First Warden sent Jaden (And you don't want that :C).
I never saw that. Thanks. So the OW is acting under orders.
The motivation for the Warden in Origins is only "well built" if one accepts the premise that Ferelden is worth saving... I find it far more preposterous that a non-human Warden would accept that premise, than the idea that the OW would go after Morrigan in Witch Hunt...
And yes, the events in each of the origins happen regardless of who is selected as the main character. And without Duncan present, all the Warden candidates die. But the Urn of Sacred ashes can't be found without the Warden. Eamon can't be saved without the Warden. No King is named in Orzammar and the Dalish/Werewolf situation isn't resolved without the Warden. Events can take place without the Warden... But that doesn't mean the Warden isn't required for the important ones...
As for Morrigan, I find it interesting you think the Warden Commander(if surviving the DR) would not choose to look for Morrigan when reports appear saying she's in Ferelden. Does your Warden Commander find Morrigan to be completely incompetent? That she has no idea how to hide or keep her identity/location secret, and that she'd fail spectacularly if she ever tried? Reports of Morrigan going through the Wilds made it's way to the Warden Commander because Morrigan wanted to be found... The question should never have been "Why does the Warden Commander go after Morrigan?" The question should have been "Why does Morrigan leave enough clues to her presence and allow herself to be found?" The answer she gives: So she can deliver her warning about Flemeth...
I don't think you can say that for certain but it's an interesting take. That could be used well going forward.
Yeah, but if you fail to kill Alistair, you get a game over. No save is created where Alistair saved Ferelden as the last Grey Warden.
There is no save created when you kill Alistair either. So that's no proof.
And besides, Vance the Hurlock Vanguard has the attentions of the Wardens player, so the stakes are stacked against Alistair in this scenario.
I like to think that the player is the element of luck that tips the scales in the Wardens favor. Without the player, the warden could succeed (Or Alistair if we had the option to put our grubby hands on his control commands) but with the player the warden/Alistair is guaranteed to succeed. Since the player can command the powerful power of saving and reloading.
No. I was saying that the important events that take place in DAO cannot be resolved without the Warden being present...
The Darkspawn Chronicles may prove the events would have still taken place without the Warden, but it also proves that, without the Warden, each of those events were essentially pointless because Ferelden was destroyed anyway, and the Fifth Blight continued...
Pointless or not, Alistair is able to accomplish everything except kill the Archdemon. Come to think of it, while I like Darkspawn Chronicles, I now hate it for totally undermining the protagonist of the main game.
One thing I like about Inquisition is the ability to seal rifts makes the Inquisitor special and therefore plot integral. It's like Shepard's Prothean visions from Mass Effect. Then that dropped out so there was nothing special about Shepard in ME2 or 3.
i am trying to show you that Alistair takes the place of the HoF in the events you say with out him don't get resolved that is all
I'm of the belief that if the United States of America were to get nuked to oblivion tomorrow, the results of the 2014 election wouldn't matter. And that the Archdemon killing Alistair in the Darkspawn Chronicles is, essentially, the equivalent to that hypothetical scenario because it results in Ferelden ceasing to exist...
If you believe otherwise, we'll just continue to talk in circles, so it's probably best to drop it.
no its nothing like that because there two out comes at the end of Darkspawn Chronicles fail to kill Alistair & Co or you kill Alistair & Co
And that's like saying Origins has two outcomes: Succeeding in Killing the Archdemon, or failing to kill the Archdemon. The game ends either way, the question is "do you get the credits?"... Unless you successfully kill Alistair in the Darkspawn Chronicles, you don't.
Pointless or not, Alistair is able to accomplish everything except kill the Archdemon. Come to think of it, while I like Darkspawn Chronicles, I now hate it for totally undermining the protagonist of the main game.
One thing I like about Inquisition is the ability to seal rifts makes the Inquisitor special and therefore plot integral. It's like Shepard's Prothean visions from Mass Effect. Then that dropped out so there was nothing special about Shepard in ME2 or 3.
I didn't think the Dakspawn Chronicles undermined the Warden because the Warden was never "special" to begin with... The origin stories proved that. The only thing "special" about the Warden was that Duncan met, and in most cases saved, them...
you ware talking hypothetical about what would happen if the warden was not there in the events of Dragon Age Origins that is what Darkspawn chronicles is
The darkspawn is not supposed to be the canon world without the warden. It's just a goofy what if side story. Herren is possessed by a desire demon in Darkspawn Chronicles, but that doesn't mean he is in the main series.
I'm of the belief that if the United States of America were to get nuked to oblivion tomorrow, the results of the 2014 election wouldn't matter. And that the Archdemon killing Alistair in the Darkspawn Chronicles is, essentially, the equivalent to that hypothetical scenario because it results in Ferelden ceasing to exist...
If you believe otherwise, we'll just continue to talk in circles, so it's probably best to drop it.
And that's like saying Origins has two outcomes: Succeeding in Killing the Archdemon, or failing to kill the Archdemon. The game ends either way, the question is "do you get the credits?"... Unless you successfully kill Alistair in the Darkspawn Chronicles, you don't.
I didn't think the Dakspawn Chronicles undermined the Warden because the Warden was never "special" to begin with... The origin stories proved that. The only thing "special" about the Warden was that Duncan met, and in most cases saved, them...
The Origins just tell you each person got into a situation which they needed help to escape. But they were selected for a reason and Flemeth saw what they would go on to do. Now this is true for Alistair as well, but the game shows us he lacks the initiative and confidence to lead and make decisions as the Warden does. Now the Warden doesn't have any special power as the Inquisitor does, but was still integral for events. I don't think Chronicles meant to subvert that, but it could from a point of view.
The Origins just tell you each person got into a situation which they needed help to escape. But they were selected for a reason and Flemeth saw what they would go on to do. Now this is true for Alistair as well, but the game shows us he lacks the initiative and confidence to lead and make decisions as the Warden does. Now the Warden doesn't have any special power as the Inquisitor does, but was still integral for events. I don't think Chronicles meant to subvert that, but it could from a point of view.
The Mage Warden doesn't need to escape if the origin is played a certain way... But that's irrelevant to your overall point.
I can agree that Chronicles subverts that idea if taken from the point of view that the events in Ferelden prior to the Battle of Denerim matter even though the Archdemon survives the battle and then lays waste to Ferelden... I disagree with that premise though(that the events matter if Ferelden is ultimately destroyed)...
The Mage Warden doesn't need to escape if the origin is played a certain way... But that's irrelevant to your overall point.
I can agree that Chronicles subverts that idea if taken from the point of view that the events in Ferelden prior to the Battle of Denerim matter even though the Archdemon survives the battle and then lays waste to Ferelden... I disagree with that premise though(that the events matter if Ferelden is ultimately destroyed)...
I see what you mean because the Warden is still necessary for the ultimate goal of defeating the demon, but that was the last thing you did. Most of the game was doing everything else.
They gotta have the Orlesian Warden in there or that be dumb.
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