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[simpatikool]

It never really concerned me much. I mean, it would be nice to know what happened to the Warden officially, even if it does not match YOUR individual choices that much, if nothing else to understand the story somewhat. Other than that, I don't really care.

[Titans1226]

Well guys......mine and a lot of other people's wardens had a very satisfying ending. They died killing the archdemon. To make my dead warden a big part of the story would be saying screw you to everyone who chose to make the sacrifice. Plus there's the whole thing where out character was a blank and emotionless void. Basically anything they do with the warden is going to ****** off some part of their fanbase. So that's why I understand why the warden won't play a major active role anytime soon. Hawke is much easier because Hawke is one race, either male or female, only three personalities, and you only have to deal with a few choices

[pinkjellybeans]

That's why my warden did the ultimate sacrifice. I got all the closure I needed and it was the best ending for me. An ending of a true hero. Even if I had chosen to keep my warden alive (even though I can't imagine it), I think she had her time to be a hero and save the world, now it's time to give the spotlight to someone else (the inquisitor). I'm more than happy with a few mentions and possibly a mission that involve the warden, but other than that, no thank you. I think it would be extremely difficult for them to get the warden right, and I know people would get angry so just might leave it at that. However I wouldn't mind if they would release like a DLC for people who are desperate to get some closure. I wouldn't be interested in it though.

 

I'm not sure, but if you import your origin files to DA2 and your warden is dead, do they mention the warden is missing as well as the champion? I would assume not. (I couldn't import my files so I also got that dialogue). Either way, I just ignored it. I'm expecting that when they mention the warden in Inquisition they will acknowledge those who sacrificed themselves.

 

 

Well guys......mine and a lot of other people's wardens had a very satisfying ending. They died killing the archdemon. To make my dead warden a big part of the story would be saying screw you to everyone who chose to make the sacrifice. Plus there's the whole thing where out character was a blank and emotionless void. Basically anything they do with the warden is going to ****** off some part of their fanbase. So that's why I understand why the warden won't play a major active role anytime soon. Hawke is much easier because Hawke is one race, either male or female, only three personalities, and you only have to deal with a few choices

 

Yep. People keep saying "but those who sacrificed their wardens still have their warden commander" but no. The commander has nothing to do with the warden. Bioware would have to make two entirely different stories for both characters to appear in the game and I can't see that happening. (And besides I don't care for my warden commander that much.)

[AshesEleven]

The problem with the Warden returning is how difficult it is to do right and how easy it is to get completely wrong.  If someone can come up with a way to do the Warden justice that would work for the majority of people, I'd love to hear it.  But most people, myself included, only have ideas for how it would work for ourselves personally.  

[Sully13]

considerind that Grey wardens dont tend to last verry long i find it douptfull. 

[qOjOp]

So why does Morrigan show up in Inquistition without him or the baby?

Have been asking the very same thing myself. Morrigan is going to be there but not the Warden...idk. It's just not right.

Unless of course Bioware is going to super surprise all of us with something that will make us go......

....!!!!WoW!!!!.......right... didn't see that one comin'....you know....

[Fardreamer]

 

That's why my warden did the ultimate sacrifice. I got all the closure I needed and it was the best ending for me.

 

 

 

Well guys......mine and a lot of other people's wardens had a very satisfying ending. They died killing the archdemon.

 

Did either of you read the original post?  If you made the Ultimate Sacrifice, then the Orlesian Warden takes over for the events of Awakening, Witch Hunt, and Golems of Amgarrak.  That's why we keep referring to a returning character as the Warden and not the Hero of Fereldon. 

 

That's great your Warden has closure doing the US, but since Leliana mentioned a Warden at the end of DA2, she was obviously was referring to the OW.  Sooo, again... BIG PLOT DEVICE LEFT HANING!!!

[90s Luke]

I think the developers have said that a live Warden(-Commander) will return, but off-screen/in the background. That seems like the only feasible way for him or her to have a role, but not have a canon physical appearance, voice, and personality. I prefer it this way.

[Kel Eligor]

I honestly believe that if Bioware decides to make the Old God-offspring cannon that it would not be a far stretch for the Warden to make an appearance. It's easy to envision an introduction where the player is brought to wherever the Eluvian led, to be raised and protected by the Warden. We don't know at this point if Morrigan's child will make an appearance in Inquisition, and considering his importance a title involving them doesn't stretch the imagination. 

 

This would also allow for a certain degree of vagueness around the Warden so as not to break the character, even if they were given a voice. 

 

Anyone who wishes for the Warden to remain voiceless has to get in with the times and accept that Bioware is well-passed the era of the strong silent hero

[90s Luke]

I honestly believe that if Bioware decides to make the Old God-offspring cannon that it would not be a far stretch for the Warden to make an appearance.

 

The Warden doesn't have to be the father. Alistair or Loghain can be the father. It's also possible that Morrigan was able to do the dark ritual with another Warden in the rumored Sixth Blight in the Anderfels (which is mentioned in the epilogue of Awakening if the protagonist is an Orlesian Warden).

[Iakus]

There have been threads made by a certain member who usually sounds like a petulant child, and the discussion usally boils down to "Quit whining, bla bla bla."

 

However, there is still the mystery of what happened to the Hero of Fereldon or the Orlesian Warden Commander.  For many of us, our Warden survived the battle with the Archdemon.  For those of you whose Warden didn't survive, there is the Orlesian Warden who undertook the events of Awakening, Witch Hunt, and Golems of Andralmach. 

 

Dragon Age 2 made an ominous reference to this character when Leliana is talking to Cassandra at the end saying something along the lines "The Champion has vanished, just like the Warden." And then "I have no doubt they will return when they are needed."  Even the end of the epilogue of Awakening says something about the Warden Commander going on command the Grey Wardens for some time before leaving for other adventures.

 

So now we're going to see a return of Hawke in DA:I... but where is the Warden?  He needs to be brought back in some way, because his story needs closure.  It is ridiculous to think that a character as influential and powerful as the Warden is simply not present for the world shattering events of Inquistion.

 

Now, I'm not saying that the Warden or Hawke should be the heroes of Inquistition, or even play a MAJOR role.  They should simply be present because they are the leaders of their respective groups.  Their stories should get a nod.  Hawke is getting his nod... why not the Warden?

 

As far as I'm concerned, my Wardens' stories are over.  Dead, the Warden saved Ferelden and died a hero.  Alive, my Warden survived the battle (without becoming a monster himself, literally or figuratively) and goes of to do...stuff...with his LI or alone.  Bringing him back just risks disrupting the HEE.  OR at least as much of one as a Grey Warden is likely to ever get.

 

I actually feel the same way about Hawke.  The Champion's story is done as well. I'm actually kinda concerned about Hawke being in SAI.  But I guess we'll just have to see what the capacity is 

[Fardreamer]

SPOILERS FOR ALL POSSIBLE ENDINGS FOR THE WARDEN IN AWAKENING!!!!!!!

 

• If the Warden-Commander is married to Alistair, she returns to life at court, resuming her duties as queen of Ferelden and receives a hero's welcome when she rides back into the capital. King Alistair awaits her at the palace gates, grinning from ear-to-ear. A few years later, the Warden vanishes. Nobody knows why, but "neither does anyone think her tale is complete ..."
• If the Warden-Commander was in love with Alistair, but not married to him (even if you made him king in Origins): Some claimed she returned to Alistair, her true love, and a life far away from both Ferelden and the royal court. Some say that she served the Grey Wardens elsewhere, Alistair at her side, or that the two of them were seen often at the palace in Denerim. After a number of years, however, neither she nor Alistair were seen again. Perhaps they undertook some mission on behalf of the Grey Wardens, or departed for their own adventures, or ... simply disappeared. Most assume their tale is far from complete ...

Bug! This will still appear even if Alistair sacrificed himself at the end of Dragon Age: Origins.

• If the Warden-Commander is married to Anora, he comes back to his life at the court and even Anora meets him with a smile. But some years later the Warden vanishes. Nobody knows why, but "neither does anyone think his tale is complete ..."
• If the Warden-Commander had chosen to "continue to serve the crown" in Origins, they will return to life at court in Denerim, and rumors suggest that they are the true power behind the throne. But a few years later, the Warden vanishes, and nobody knows why. (If you had a romance with Leliana or Zevran in Origins, this epilogue will not show. Instead it will show the romance epilogue).
• If the Warden-Commander had a romance with and chooses to follow Morrigan at the end of Origins, and none of his companions stay with him after the original epilogue, he leaves Vigil's Keep, and some claim that he chose to follow the dark-haired sorceress who fought alongside him during the Blight. Whether he found her or not, he never returns to Vigil's Keep again.
• If the Warden-Commander had a romance with Leliana, they can eventually step down as Warden-Commander, since the Blight is truly over, and move on. Some claim they reunite with her. A year after the Blight's end, the pair are spotted together in Denerim. The commander never returns to Vigil's Keep. (BUG: If Alistair was/is in love with the - female - Warden it will go with the Alistair ending listed above, even though the Warden was in a romance with Leliana.)
• If the Warden-Commander had a romance with Zevran, some claim that they went to Antiva, chasing him. One rumor suggested the pair engaged in a terrible showdown in the Antivan capital, and others say that they took over the Crows. Perhaps they adventure together still.
• If the Warden-Commander is from Orlais, the Warden can serve as Warden Commander at Vigil's Keep for a time before finally being called by the Order to the Grey Warden headquarters at Weisshaupt. Rumor has it that there is a new Blight there. The Warden never returns to Vigil's Keep again.
• The Warden-Commander might simply just vanish for reasons unknown and there too they will say that "neither does anyone think their tale is complete..."

As you can see... we are left with A TON of foreshadowing of what happened to either the Hero or OW.... Literally every single one of these endings mentions him vanishing and no one knowing where or why. 

 

This is why having the Warden return in some way to wrap all of this up is such a big deal to many.

[90s Luke]

As you can see... we are left with A TON of foreshadowing of what happened to either the Hero or OW.... Literally every single one of these endings mentions him vanishing and no one knowing where or why.  The last one is the biggest.  "The Warden-Commander might simply just vanish for reasons unknown and there too they will say that "neither does anyone think their tale is complete...""

 

The Warden's tale wasn't complete at the time of Awakening. Witch Hunt was released later that same year

[AllThatJazz]

I think it would be really tough to include the Warden in a way that satisfies an awful lot of people, much harder than with Hawke.

 

First off, the voice. How my Warden sounds in my head is probably not how it would sound done by an actor, even a good one, even the ones whose soundsets I chose. This is not an issue with Hawke, since Hawke has a full voice from the beginning. Of course, the writers could contrive a way to have the Warden not speak, but I think it would be quite hard to make this not seem silly in a game where everyone else talks. There's also tone. Hawke's dominant tone makes it easier to project the manner of Hawke 's speech in DAI. No such thing existed for the Warden - so many possibilities, it's hard to do them justice if presenting the Warden as an NPC.

 

Second, mods. Not just appearance mods (though these were very numerous) . I had a multiclass mod, one of my favourite Wardens was a Dalish archer/mage, obviously no future game can account for this. I had a male Warden who romanced Alistair and a female Warden who romanced Ser Gilmore - neither of these things can be recognised - and I don't have a problem with that, because the role of my Wardens aren't significant enough in DAI for those things to be important - they aren't the sort of thing that would be mentioned 'in passing', maybe. Physically put 'my' wardens into the game and give them an important part to play, and suddenly this changes, it would be offputting for me to see these characters who are kind of mine, but who are lacking some of the characteristics that made them who I made them, if that makes sense. So I either resign myself to not using those Wardens in future titles, or I resign myself to the fact that they won't be 'quite right'. Neither is terribly satisfying. Again, mods for DA2 were basically limited to appearance, textures and allowing your followers to equip more varied armour. It's nowhere near as much of an issue.

 

 

I don't object in theory, but as AshesEleven said, it's just something that's really hard to get right and do well, and very easy to get wrong. 

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 03 novembre 2014 - 02:27 .

[Fardreamer]

The Warden's tale wasn't complete at the time of Awakening. Witch Hunt was released later that same year

 

In both Witch Hunt and Golems of Amersomething, the Warden is called the Warden-Commander as his title by his followers.  If you read the epilogue in Awakening most of those endings refer to AFTER when he already stopped being the Warden Commander.

[Jester]

There's just too many possibilities for Warden's future to include him/her in a meaningful way.

One of my Warden's went through the Eluvian. The other returned to court in Farelden. Hell, one of them would probably have gone to Anderfels, and by now is the right hand and most trusted advisor of the First Warden... getting close enough for an accidental murder knife in the back, and seizing power and control over the Grey Wardens. 

Too much official endings and even more headcanon going on, for any closure that would satisfy even 20% of fans. 

[90s Luke]

In both Witch Hunt and Golems of Amersomething, the Warden is called the Warden-Commander as his title by his followers.  If you read the epilogue in Awakening most of those endings refer to AFTER when he already stopped being the Warden Commander.

 

To be fair, much of the epilogue slides are treated as rumors anyway. Some might be the basis for actual plot details, like Morrigan joining Empress Celene's court. But others are meaningless. Look at Anders and Cullen, for instance....

[Razyx]

There's just too many possibilities for Warden's future to include him/her in a meaningful way.

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Agree.

A simple question.

Which is the purpose of developing a few heroes (in Thedas)?, adventures/misadventures, only? or... something bigger at the end of the road that will hit them?.

[Lady Mutare]

I never liked Liliana, when she showed up in DA2 and said my Warden (The Queen of Ferelden) was gone, I was upset.   Seems a bit odd to include my Female Hawke in DAI and not my Female Warden.

[Chari]

All but one of my Wardens are alive and doing pretty fine. Most of them have no problems with working with the Architect and Avernus to create some kind of magical potion to postpone the Calling. And my Wardens wouldn't sit idly while the worlds is falling apart. Heck, even those who don't care about the world itself. At least they want to live, you know. And if Alistair is fine, then forcing other players' Wardens to die like this is just plain cruel and unfair

That's why all this "headcanon" fun is not helping. We need some closure, some solid information with help of which we can make these "headcanons". To fly one needs the ground

No one is talking about DA:O2, we just want the first heroes to be remembered and not thrown away like some forgotten old toy

[sangy]

I think the Dragon Age team still loves the Grey Wardens, but doesn't want to specifically have the role play out like the first.  That's not to say it can't happen.  I think Bioware is trying to stay away from the trilogy scene.  I love it, but I think it's a hassle possibly for them to tie everything together as it takes a great deal of time to design around it and causes issues for both the designers and the gamers.

 

Having some of the stories tied together, but a new story every time makes it easier for them and is probably more exciting for them.  Grey Wardens seem to be playing a heavier role in DA:I than in DA2 for sure.  Honestly, I have no idea where they'll go from here.  A Grey Warden role might not be a bad idea, but they'll have to work on how to approach it other than characters.  They probably don't want something similar to DA:O.  I also doubt they'll want to continue from DA:I's conclusion. 

 

I'm kind of excited at the thought of where the next DA will go.  I'm sure they have a ton of ideas already, but that's far off from now.  I just hope they stick to the "Dragon Age" title.  I don't mean to bring up another issue, but I don't understand why Mass Effect won't be called Mass Effect in the next game.  They really want to separate Shepard from the series I guess.  Totally understandable, but unnecessary.  Dragon Age will hopefully always remain the same.

 

I love the Grey Wardens and wouldn't mind playing them again, but new roles aren't a bad thing.  It gives the DA team an open field to use their imagination and explore new possibilities. 

[In Exile]

I actually don't mind the idea of a Calling expansion. It's the fitting and inevitable end for my good Warden. I imagine he'd be joined by Alistair. A few generic legionnaires would round out the part too.

However, one big problem with that ending is for the players, usually who played an evil Warden, want their warden to survive. When I played my evil mage Warden, I specifically left Avernus alive and told him to continue his research, simply because he lived so long, and I wanted to as well.

No. The real problem is that not everyone played an I GWs character, so the game forcing you into doing GW-esque things is a real character breaking problem.

[In Exile]

So basically, the biggest reason people keep bringing up for there not being a return of the Warden (head canon), is already screwed over? If they're going to change his story like that, they might as well make an official canonized version of the Warden.

Even if Bioware didn't assert they controlled the character once the game was over, the bigger problem is that you - the player - don't get to control Morrigan.