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[Big T]

I will start off by saying the Protheans destroyed us, the humans because they stalled the reapers. If the Protheans were unable to block the signal sent to the keepers, we would have missed the reapers by a narrow margin. Javik proclaims that the reapers invaded during the Metacon Wars, organics first fight vs synthetics. Going by that, they should have invaded no later than The Geth Uprising/Morning War. Vigil also says that sovereign was patient and had to wait centuries before finding someone like Saren and the geth to follow him. With the centuries it takes to wipe out a cycle, we would have been left alone for lack of space travel. So that means that all species outside Humans and Yahg and possibly Vorcha they have no clear origin, would be wiped out leaving space empty. Enter humanity. We work fast, so says every other species in the galaxy. We find the mars archives. After, say about a century and a half, we find the crucible details and everything pertaining to it. We now have all the time in the world to build it, being humanity, we get started. Somewhere along the way we see something's missing and search the data base and find the citadel, or catalyst. With that we begin searching for it, using the map that was included, cause hey it's the 23rd century for crying out loud. You can assume some major and minor star charts are included. You find the correct path. Once we get there, we study it and decide a test run is in order. We activate it and it takes us up to crappy platform B to God Child MK7. At that point we think well this was a waste, but the alarms are going off for the reapers saying intruder alert and they fly in through the citadel/master relay. At this point the humans on platform B see the chaos and get to choose their favorite color. With that being said, there is no morality choice Shepard felt, just screaming in their ear telling them to activate it. Out of split decision thinking they choose destroy to kill the things attacking them, not caring about the consequence. Thus reapers destroyed before ever hitting our cycle.

[Vazgen]

Well, I would not count Yahg out. We met, like, one and he proved to be far more dangerous than almost any enemy we've encountered. I think they can work as fast as humanity, if not faster. Vorcha will also spread out like a plague, inhabiting and adapting to every world out there. Given the hostility of both of these species I think humanity will engage in a war with them. As there will be no Council there will be no one to stop the conflict, like during the First Contact War. 

Why would they build the Crucible? A weapon that destroys the "Reapers", some enigmatic machines that destroy advanced civilizations and then disappear? I'm pretty sure they'll dismiss it as some sort of religious cult of the Protheans or something like that.

[cap and gown]

Unless the Reapers are expecting technological development to progress at less than a snail's pace, they would wipe both Humans and Yahg out even though they had not yet developed space flight. I would say the key factor to focus on is not space flight but metallurgy and agriculture with agriculture being the key since it will lead to a greater population and that in turn will lead to more and more inventions. (Guns, Germs, and Steel, Jarred Diamond)

[Big T]

Well, I would not count Yahg out. We met, like, one and he proved to be far more dangerous than almost any enemy we've encountered. I think they can work as fast as humanity, if not faster. Vorcha will also spread out like a plague, inhabiting and adapting to every world out there. Given the hostility of both of these species I think humanity will engage in a war with them. As there will be no Council there will be no one to stop the conflict, like during the First Contact War.
Why would they build the Crucible? A weapon that destroys the "Reapers", some enigmatic machines that destroy advanced civilizations and then disappear? I'm pretty sure they'll dismiss it as some sort of religious cult of the Protheans or something like that.

Human curiosity, it would also tell that hey we were wiped out by this, we came close but got cut short. Here you have a weapon to wipe out reapers, built buy a race that got wiped out for a mysterious reason that no one can explain. Sure there would be debates about it, but human curiosity might hold out. Plus with the Yahg biting at us as hard as they can, whose to say this would not be brought up as a last minute plan like the genophage.

[Kenshen]

Conflict between organic and synthetic is not a trigger for the reapers to start a invasion and even if it did I highly doubt the reapers would have left us alone.  They were already "aware" of our presence from the previous cycle and to allow a race to be spared through 2 cycles is only asking for trouble.  I don't remember which game it is stated but someone tells us this, we were close enough even if we were not space faring 200 years ago.  

[cap and gown]

Conflict between organic and synthetic is not a trigger for the reapers to start a invasion and even if it did I highly doubt the reapers would have left us alone.  They were already "aware" of our presence from the previous cycle and to allow a race to be spared through 2 cycles is only asking for trouble.  I don't remember which game it is stated but someone tells us this, we were close enough even if we were not space faring 200 years ago.  

 

I would imagine they were aware of us for more than just the last cycle. H0mo Sapiens Sapiens has been around for 200,000 years, or 4 cycles.

[Big T]

Conflict between organic and synthetic is not a trigger for the reapers to start a invasion and even if it did I highly doubt the reapers would have left us alone.  They were already "aware" of our presence from the previous cycle and to allow a race to be spared through 2 cycles is only asking for trouble.  I don't remember which game it is stated but someone tells us this, we were close enough even if we were not space faring 200 years ago.

I would imagine they were aware of us for more than just the last cycle. H0mo Sapiens Sapiens has been around for 200,000 years, or 4 cycles.

What about the Yahg? The reapers know about them and the Yahg know about us but they were left alone during our cycle.

[KrrKs]

Well, the Yahg don't have the ability to go anywhere else. I find it likely that they would be targeted in the 'post-harvest mop up'.

 

Besides, there is at least one ME2 planet description of a bronze age civilisation destroyed by the reapers, which fits pretty much with cap's assessment.

[cap and gown]

Well, the Yahg don't have the ability to go anywhere else. I find it likely that they would be targeted in the 'post-harvest mop up'.

 

 

You had the same response I did.

[MrFob]

Nah, according to your timeline, the reapers would have invaded in the 18th or 19th century. They would have stayed around for a couple of centuries so humanity would have developed space travel in the mean time and walked right into the reapers from the get-go. Thus, they would have been wiped out immediately.

Even if the reapers were really quick this time around, I think they would not let a society on the verge of industrialization be. If they want to give it ~50.000 years between each cycle, they'd wipe out every species that managed to get as far as throwing rocks.

The Yahg and humanity would be dead either way.

[cap and gown]

 If they want to give it ~50.000 years between each cycle, they'd wipe out every species that managed to get as far as throwing rocks.

The Yahg and humanity would be dead either way.

 

Mankind was well beyond the rock throwing stage 50,000 years ago. Our ancestors were making tools as long as 2 million years ago. If your not comfortable with the development of agriculture as a signal for harvesting because it might give a species too much time, then perhaps the development of speech, though that does not seem to be the criteria the Reapers use since mankind had already developed speech by the last time the Reapers came through.

[MrFob]

Well, whatever criteria they use, we are doomed one way or the other.

[Big T]

If the criteria were such, the Asari would have been wiped in the previous cycle. They had speach, agriculture, and minute genetic modifacations due to the Protheans being their gods. Javik may have told Liara it was for fighting the reapers, but vigil confirms that Ilos was the only isolated planet and the Protheans who made it through the Cypher died on the citidel with no way to leave cause it and all spacecraft near it where taken in the first wave. So the modifacations had to have been made prior to the Reapers arrival. With the cycle being fifty thousand years, the number of generations of the asari would be a measly 200 if they reproduced at an average of 500 years of age. The amount of time to seed the biotics and make it a natural genetic trait and not a gene mod would take more than one generation, saying that they were being breed for sub-servitude would be a more likely suggestion. They had the evidence for the tech being their that the reapers would have wiped them out too. To the timeline, it could have easily been prior to the 18th century for the fact that sovereign was left to monitor growth, it was never specifically 50,000, just roughly, a century or two means nothing when compared to eons. We do not know for sure how long sovereign looked for his vanguard. But that very well could have been, the Yahg could still be spared.

[Undead Han]

Without the Protheans humanity would have been wiped out much like every previous cycle.

 

The only reason why humanity is on the winning team at the end is because the Protheans managed to sabotage the Citadel, and because they left behind beacons that warned of the Reapers. The sabotaging of the Citadel prevented the Reapers from carrying out their usual plan, which was to launch a surprise attack on the Citadel itself and shot down the relay network at the start of each extinction cycle. The Reapers were unable to divide and conquer, like they had done with every previous cycle. Also the beacons provided warning which allowed Shepard to continually throw wrenches in the Reapers' works before the actual invasion. Also it bought the galaxy some time to make preparations.

 

The Mars Archive likely wouldn't have saved humanity because the Crucible plans weren't found until Liara & Hackett put a priority into digging into them for anything that might be useful in combating the Reapers. Without foreknowledge of the Reapers the Crucible plans, and any mention of the Reapers in the achives, likely doesn't get discovered in time.

 

We've been excavating Pompeii and Herculaneum since the 19th Century and have yet to uncover everything.

[Big T]

@Han shot First, while your logic of the mars ruins is feasable, the argument that I am really pointing at is the Prothean sabotage delayed the Reapers long enough that that if they didn't sabatoge it that we would have not been part of the current cycle. We would still have Eden Prime and the beacon, their is no telling what would have happened if someone other than Shepard activated the beacon would do. Would it overload the brain and cause death and insanity, slowing the pace of Prothean research, or would it be clearer to a scientific mind increasing rate of research. Would it go inactivated cause Saren was the one to activate it on Eden prime cause of his own prior knowledge, or would it has been activated under more controlled conditions.