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[delijoe]

Say you personally lived in the world of Dragon Age, where would you stand on the whole mages vs templars debate?  This is not necessarily what your characters have sided with but what you personally would believe..

 

On one hand, you have the mages who were and many still are responsible for many atrocities, however not all of them are.  They've been persecuted and denied freedom but the threat of blood magic and demonic possession is real.  

 

The question is it possible to allow mages to have freedom while still protecting the world from blood mages/abominations/demons?  For me, there seems like there needs to be some kind of middle ground but I don't know what that middle ground is.

[ManOfSteel]

[TheKomandorShepard]

I support myself but im anti-mage they already proved they are pretty much almost nothing but damage for thedas.I don't also support current templars who mostly were proven inefficient idiots that can't handle mages (i blame chantry).So im in it for myself but i don't want mages to blew up world so im against them.

[Panda]

Middle-ground for me is being Pro-Circle. Mage freedom is just too idealistic and not practical enough to work. Who would make sure that all mage children are properly trained to avoid demonic posession and destroying villages and cities? What about "minor accidents" like lighting up houses with fire or themselves or killing someone just by accident? What would stop common folk from not grapping pithforks and going on "witchhunt?".

 

Circle and templars are both needed. The corruption needs to be just rooted out and templars who have abused their powers judged accordingly (seriously it's like police brutality, shouldn't be tolerated).

[Krothar]

I'm middle ground. The mages obviously deserve freedom, but then, there needs to be some form of school that is mandatory for all young mages to attend so we don't end up with a generation of young mages becoming possessed.

 

I'd also integrate Templar's into normal city guard, so they're always around to battle possessed mages and demons.

 

Not sure if I'd keep phylacteries or not, though.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

over to the left trying to push back the hord of demons looking back and saying.."Uhh guys .. uhh little help?"

[Todrazok]

Middle-ground for me is being Pro-Circle. Mage freedom is just too idealistic and not practical enough to work. Who would make sure that all mage children are properly trained to avoid demonic posession and destroying villages and cities? What about "minor accidents" like lighting up houses with fire or themselves or killing someone just by accident? What would stop common folk from not grapping pithforks and going on "witchhunt?".
 
Circle and templars are both needed. The corruption needs to be just rooted out and templars who have abused their powers judged accordingly (seriously it's like police brutality, shouldn't be tolerated).

This right here, the templars and circles are both needed, the entire system should be reformed.

I like to think we'll be able to do this by bringing both factions under the banner of the Inquisition. This would also potentially seclude the chant of light from the mages. Amazed me how one mage npc in the mage origin had been brainwashed into thinking the maker hated her and that she was cursed with magic.

[TheKomandorShepard]

This right here, the templars and circles are both needed, the entire system should be reformed.

I like to think we'll be able to do this by bringing both factions under the banner of the Inquisition. This would also potentially seclude the chant of light from the mages. Amazed me how one mage npc in the mage origin had been brainwashed into thinking the maker hated her and that she was cursed with magic.

LoL that mage wasn't brainwashed in any way ( i love when peoples say that) it was her own conclusion and to be fact she was right magic is curse and it was proved many times. Circles aren't needed circles already failed too many times to be shown as necessity.

[Yinello]

I would advocate for Hogwarts-like Circles and also education for everyone else on magic and mages. Too much people doing stupid things out of fear and ignorance. Education Age!

[Talvrae]

Definatelly pro-mage

i'm very much pro-liberty and freedom in real life and it apply for mage too

[Jasuke34]

I would advocate for Hogwarts-like Circles and also education for everyone else on magic and mages. Too much people doing stupid things out of fear and ignorance. Education Age!

[Panda]

This right here, the templars and circles are both needed, the entire system should be reformed.

I like to think we'll be able to do this by bringing both factions under the banner of the Inquisition. This would also potentially seclude the chant of light from the mages. Amazed me how one mage npc in the mage origin had been brainwashed into thinking the maker hated her and that she was cursed with magic.

 

I hope there is option for compromise in DAI but after DA2 I'm skeptical. I don't want to be forced in another lose-lose situation where I need to choice between two bads, at least I would like to have option to nope away if there isn't chance of compromise.

[Tevinter Soldier]

depends on who i am in Thedas I cant logically be who i am in the real world My ideals and pov don't cross over to the time period i don't believe in kings or gods I enjoy a very liberal view point non of these things translate to thedas where your average person has bugger all education.
 
nobody is truly an individual where all shaped by or society. which is why society must first safe guard the rights of all individuals. so that every modicum of individuality comes is prtected. if i were somehow transported into thedas with my modern POV i would likely stand with Mages because it is just plain wrong you don't persecute people based on what they might do, not matter how powerful.
 
too quote someone i disagree with on many things:

 

 

Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).

Ayn Rand

[Helios969]

I hope there is option for compromise in DAI but after DA2 I'm skeptical. I don't want to be forced in another lose-lose situation where I need to choice between two bads, at least I would like to have option to nope away if there isn't chance of compromise.

Then you want the green explosion...merging Templars and Mages into a new DNA framework...you know cause now they understand one another.

[earl of the north]

If I'm a mage (pro-mage) or a have a close friend or family member (maybe pro-mage until they become an abomination and slaughter my family  ) if I'm not a mage with no mage connections (anti-mage) and if my friends and family have suffered at the hands of mages (pro-templar).

 

If I'm Qunari (I'd submit to the Qun), if I'm Dalish (I'm pro-keeper and regard every else as lesser beings), if I'm Dwarven (I don't care either way), if I'm a Carta Dwarf (I only care who's paying), If i'm a City Elf (I regard circle mages to whiny little b****es) and if I'm an elven Circle Mage (i'm pro-mage).

[Tevinter Soldier]

I hope there is option for compromise in DAI but after DA2 I'm skeptical. I don't want to be forced in another lose-lose situation where I need to choice between two bads, at least I would like to have option to nope away if there isn't chance of compromise.

 

I feel for bioware, I'm of the opinion there can be no compromise. I see it as a cop-out a way to resolve things without having to make an actual choice and live with the flow on. it's an "I win button" if you will.

 

no matter which way it goes one of us will be annoyed. and if where any indication of the supporter base as whole that's a lot of pissed off people no matter what.

[SovietCyborg]

 

Qunari. But in all seriously, I find rather unlikely that a group with magic superpowers in a world where the main source of political power comes in form of brute force, assassination, bloodlines or religious fervour rather than institutions, bureaucracy, nationalism or laws, meritocratic or not, would not become tyrants themselves. 

[Helios969]

Can I go all supervillain and tell you my plan?  I despise Templars so I'll eradicate all Mages in order to eliminate the order (rubs hands, maniacal laugh.)  (That's a joke for those who struggle with dark humor.)

[BronzTrooper]

I'm pro-freedom of choice, so I'm not very inclined to side with the Templars.  I'm more inclined to side with the mages, tbh.  The whole thing about being forced to go to the Circle regardless and being guilty until proven innocent when it comes to being accused of practicing blood magic kind of makes the whole concept of the Circle and the Templars seem like something else that gets mages to turn to demons and blood magic, whether intentional or not.  Well, to me, anyway.

 

Don't really feel like getting into a huge debate about Templars vs. Mages so I'm just going to post this gif and be on my way:

 

 

Spoiler

Yeah, I don't think this thread is going to end well.

[Vaseldwa]

To be honest I have tried to side with the mages but for all there talk of being treated equal "most" do little to help their cause and yes there are templars that do horrible things to mages but "not all" of them. Both sides have there pros and cons. I could side with one or the other because I can see things from both sides. But both sides need some improvements and some things do need to change. I believe that magic is dangerous and needs to be watched, monitored and studied. I am against Tranquility and Blood Magic 100%. 

Modifié par CastelessScars, 03 novembre 2014 - 11:58 .

[Applepie_Svk]

both sides are to blame, I stand on my own side

[Panda]

I feel for bioware, I'm of the opinion there can be no compromise. I see it as a cop-out a way to resolve things without having to make an actual choice and live with the flow on. it's an "I win button" if you will.

 

no matter which way it goes one of us will be annoyed. and if where any indication of the supporter base as whole that's a lot of pissed off people no matter what.

 

Life is full of compromises. Democracy is based on compromise, I don't understand why there can be no compromises in the game.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Life is full of compromises. Democracy is based on compromise, I don't understand why there can be no compromises in the game.

 

Because the compromise is never a real world compromise its an "everything is perfect" solution.

[Krothar]

I do think it would be interesting to find out if it is actually the pressures of being in the circle that pushes so many within to blood magic, or if it is indeed just a matter of certain people will always crave more power.

 

Most (But admittedly, not all) of our instances of Blood mages in game(Can't speak for the books, not read them) have been Circle mages.

Again, not ALL circle mages, but a decent few.

[Panda]

Because the compromise is never a real world compromise its an "everything is perfect" solution.

 

Not sure what you mean cause things can be never perfect cause humans aren't. If both sides don't want compromise they are childish and thus I don't want to associate with them ^^