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[The Baconer]

Well there you go.

 

Finally some sense.

 

Mind providing a page number?

 

77... on Google Play. For a physical copy or digital served on another platform, I can say it would be at the tail end of the Nations section that starts at page 44 according to the book's table of contents.

 

 

And given that they were under Templar authority they existed within the circle, thus at the behest of the Chantry, its restrictions, its laws.

 

It makes far more sense now.

 

I honestly didn't recall that bit, but it certainly clears things up, if they were locked away, monitored and kept under watch then it ceases to be as much of an issue, it isn't like they were living out among people.

 

The Seers were out living among people actually, and they were also allowed to have apprentices.

[Master Warder Z_]

and the Chantry wouldn't have been forced to make concessions. . 

 

Actually according to WOT (Just found the passage)

 

It seems just the opposite.

 

The seers had to make concessions to the Chantry.

 

Makes senses; abominations better prove themselves useful if they want to keep breathing Maker blessed air.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Seers were out living among people actually, and they were also allowed to have apprentices.

 

Yeah now that is annoying; useful or no i take issue with both practices.

 

Never the less it isn't much of an issue but still.

 

I WOULD have taken issue
 

you know, if they were still alive.

[MisterJB]

However, Anders proved how dangerous such Spirit possesions are. They're better to avoid alltogether since there's no conceivable reason why they should even be attempted.

[Keroko]

Well there you go.
 
Finally some sense.
 
Mind providing a page number?
 
And given that they were under Templar authority they existed within the circle, thus at the behest of the Chantry, its restrictions, its laws.
 
It makes far more sense now.
 
I honestly didn't recall that bit, but it certainly clears things up, if they were locked away, monitored and kept under watch then it ceases to be as much of an issue, it isn't like they were living out among people.

 
Willing. Abominations. That is about as far away from Chantry laws and restrictions as you can get.
 
They were tolerated, and had an agreement of mutual assistance. They were not bound to Chantry law.

 

Page 80 to 82, by the way

[The Baconer]

Yeah now that is annoying; useful or no i take issue with both practices.

 

Never the less it isn't much of an issue but still.

 

I WOULD have taken issue
 

you know, if they were still alive.

 

Seers are, without a doubt, still around. The Circle of Dairsmuid was annulled, but I doubt they made a clean sweep of the whole country.

[Master Warder Z_]

 Willing. Abominations. That is about as far away from Chantry laws and restrictions as you can get.

 

Hardly.

 

We don't know much of the practice beyond what was covered in WOT but beyond what little was gleaned there we learned of three things.

 

They had to assist the Chantry forces when requested, in accordance with that they were allowed out of the circle and still retained the position at said circle, and finally we learned that practice is unique to the country.

 

Its local influence poisoning an international measure, nothing new there but given that once the rebellion began and foreign forces arrived it was resolved in the prefered manner.

 

Honestly all it truly proved was that Rivain was incapable of separating culture from the law.

 

An issue for another day though, given that the circle there was successfully annulled.

[Master Warder Z_]

Seers are, without a doubt, still around. The Circle of Dairsmuid was annulled, but I doubt they made a clean sweep of the whole country.

 

They don't have to; the message was sent.

 

The days of blind eyes, of local tolerance are over.

 

I doubt that deal will ever be offered again.

[EmissaryofLies]

Me? I'm anti-mage as I've always been.

 

I mean who do these mages think they are?

 

People?

 

Ha!

[Master Warder Z_]

Mages are people; and like all people they are bound to the society they dwell within.

 

Personal responsibility seems to be something most lack though which is why the circle exists, it keeps them from falling prey to their own weakness.

[The Baconer]

They don't have to; the message was sent.

 

The days of blind eyes, of local tolerance are over.

 

I doubt that deal will ever be offered again.

 

Because, as we know, violence has a record of success in reversing Rivaini cultural traditions >_>.

 

Forces more resolute and capable than the Templars have tried.

[Master Warder Z_]

Because, as we know, violence has a record of success in reversing Rivaini cultural traditions >_>.

 

Forces more resolute and capable than the Templars have tried.

 

Are you speaking about the Qunari converts the Chantry had killed and throw in mass graves?

 

.-.

 

Because i'd label that a success.

 

It ceases being a problem when all those responsible for the problem are dead.

[MisterJB]

You're just not using enough violence. Find the more traditional settlements and put them all to the sword.

The refugees will have no choice but to travel to an Andrastian or qunari city where they will be assimilated.

[The Baconer]

Are you speaking about the Qunari converts the Chantry had killed and throw in mass graves?

 

.-.

 

Because i'd label that a success.

 

It ceases being a problem when all those responsible for the problem are dead.

 

Then I don't know why you're calling it a success. Rivaini "Qunari" still exist outside of the Kont-Aar. The Seers existed before the Chantry came to Rivain, those following in their traditions within the Circle certainly are not responsible for this.

 

[Master Warder Z_]

Then I don't know why you're calling it a success then. Rivaini "Qunari" still exist outside of the Kont-Aar.

 

Wait what.

 

Where the hell did you hear that?

 

*skims WOT*

[Keroko]

Are you speaking about the Qunari converts the Chantry had killed and throw in mass graves?

 

.-.

 

Because i'd label that a success.

 

It ceases being a problem when all those responsible for the problem are dead.

 

"Success" in this case would be the obliteration of the Seer practice. But as far as we know, the practice is still alive.

 

Let me put that into perspective: The Seer practice has survived the Tevinter Imperium, the fall of the Tevinter Imperium, the first Inquisition, five Blights, Chantry occupation and conversion, Qunari occupation and conversion and another Chantry re-conversion by the sword.

 

A couple of rogue templars kicking around tables in a tower is peanuts by comparison.

[The Elder King]

Me? I'm anti-mage as I've always been.
 
I mean who do these mages think they are?
 
People?
 
Ha!

And Antiva's queen is a male tempLar .

[Master Warder Z_]

"Success" in this case would be the obliteration of the Seer practice. But as far as we know, the practice is still alive.

 

It is as i said before an issue for another day.

 

Beyond that i only cited the annulling which to my eye was the more pressing issue.

 

The circle was annulled and that was the most pressing concern; once things calm down perhaps a more serious measure can be taken, because after all Rivain is a problem child within Thedas it needs constant supervision.

 

Besides if anything the Grand Clerics will need a unifier after this whole breach crisis; i don't see why an Exalted March on Rivain wouldn't work.

 

Maybe it can burn that Qunari fort down while they are there.

[The Baconer]

Wait what.

 

Where the hell did you hear that?

 

*skims WOT*

 

Codex on the Tal-Vashoth. Communities still exist in northern Rivain, though it is a unique interpretation of the Qun, since the Seers are still the community leaders.

 

 

Besides if anything the Grand Clerics will need a unifier after this whole breach crisis; i don't see why an Exalted March on Rivain wouldn't work.

 

Maybe it can burn that Qunari fort down while they are there.

 

That... would not be a great idea.

[Master Warder Z_]

Codex on the Tal-Vashoth. Communities still exist in northern Rivain, though it is a unique interpretation of the Qun, since the Seers are still the community leaders.

 

Oh nevermind then.

 

Woo...for a minute there you had me concerned.

 

I thought you meant Qunari.

 

Not the Oxmen that leave their Order, if anything i couldn't give a fig about them.

 

They kill Qunari, they don't preach the Qun, why honestly would i care?

 

Why would that mass killing be a failure?

 

The only Qunari presence outside of that one military fort aren't even Qunari.

[Tielis]

Neither.  They're both crazy and both corrupt.  Making me choose between one or the other is a decision that does not bode well for me purchasing another BioWare game.

[The Baconer]

Why would that mass killing be a failure?

 

Think of it like this: It's like the Qun, only instead of being governed by the triumvirate, people who allow themselves to be possessed by spirits hold leadership.

[Master Warder Z_]

Think of it like this: It's like the Qun, only instead of being governed by the triumvirate, people who allow themselves to be possessed by spirits hold leadership.

 

But they don't.

 

Their still part of the circle from what i can tell, only they were given a bit more leash then i was comfortable with.

 

They are also bound to serve the Chantry and its warriors, its a deal i wouldn't have made, but there isn't anything to indicate the King of Rivain is a mage, nor that the First Enchanter of the circle there was an abomination.

[The Baconer]

But they don't.

 

Their still part of the circle from what i can tell, only they were given a bit more leash then i was comfortable with.

 

They are not "part of" the Circle. Their existence and practices are tolerated by the Circle, in return for their services being offered to the Templars when necessary.

 

Of course, since the influence of the Chantry doesn't extend much further than Dairsmuid, there's no way of knowing how many Seers are actually bound by this agreement in practice.

[MisterJB]

They are not "part of" the Circle. Their existence and practices are tolerated by the Circle, in return for their services being offered to the Templars when necessary.

 

Of course, since the influence of the Chantry doesn't extend much further than Dairsmuid, there's no way of knowing how many Seers are actually bound by this agreement in practice.

However, according to the letter from Dairsmuid's First Enchanter, they were training young girls in the ways of the Seers.