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[Br3admax]

The mages were driven to what they did by other mages. 

[raging_monkey]

I think its a good thing war broke out.

Templars win: divine right applies and magi are either killed or more likely put in restrictive circles as a "fair" punishment

Magi win: either a new tevinter(unlikely) or new circles are made or magi have their freedom to do x deed and are killed bigots and uneducated.

I say we roll the dice

[veeia]

In the middle, shaking my head and pointing to everyone's disappointed mother while saying "they didn't raise you to grow up to be like that!"

And then their mothers turn into abominations/pull out red lyrium and kill me and dead women take no sides.

...I'll probably side Mage, but I really wish we could reform the Circle.

[Master Warder Z_]

The circle will be reformed in Templar victory.

[veeia]

By Templars, presumably.... I would like the mages to be the agents of reform. We''ll see how it's presented though, I am not actually committed either way yet, which surprises me.

[Karim_A]

Mages, all of my characters in the past games have been mages (and so will my inquisitor). Also all characters have been different races (Elf, Human and now Qunari.)

 

I will try to make a peaceful solution between the two as far as possible but if pushed the Templar order will be destroyed! 

[Sifr]

"You may be stabbed in the head, with a dagger or a sword,

You may be burned to death, or skinned alive or worse,

But when they torture you, you will not feel the need to run,

For, though you die, La Resistance lives on!"

 

And it suddenly occurs to me that there are quite a few parallels between the South Park movie and the Mage-Templar war...?

 

 

[Adanu]

To anyone who says mages aren't oppressed...

 

I dare you to try and destroy your leash/phylactory as a circle mage and run, then tell me you aren't oppressed.

 

a phylactery I might add, powered by blood magic. Supposedly forbidden.

[TheKomandorShepard]

To anyone who says mages aren't oppressed...

 

I dare you to try and destroy your leash/phylactory as a circle mage and run, then tell me you aren't oppressed.

 

a phylactery I might add, powered by blood magic. Supposedly forbidden.

Well try to destroy your passport and escape from country you can't (especially if you brake law) well i guess you are oppressed.

 

Also you can't use/have gun (at least without permission) when military and police can so well...

[Elfquisitor]

I really admire how the Qunari treat their mages.

[Texhnolyze101]

M.A.D is where I stand

[themageguy]

It would depend on whether im a mage or not.

If i were a circle, i think I would be somewhere along the lines of Wynne and Vivienne. I would fight for some freedoms, but ultimately magic is just as much of a curse as it as a gift. Power in any shape or form corrupts us *looks at red templars* and those who make pacts with demons and abuse their powers should be dealt with.

If i were a non mage, id probably be a Templar and seek inspiration from the older ways of the order, kind of like when thrask mentioned to me that templar and mage should band together against demons, not be at each others throats.

If i weren't a templar, i would probably be into alchemy and on the fence about the whole conflict, dealing with who a person is, not what they are.

[Adanu]

Well try to destroy your passport and escape from country you can't (especially if you brake law) well i guess you are oppressed.

 

Also you can't use/have gun (at least without permission) when military and police can so well...

Mexico illegal immigrants beg to differ.

 

I don't know what country you're from, but Americans don't need permission to use/have guns unless you're in a gun control nut state.

[Keroko]

Honestly, my dwarf inquisitor has little personal feelings at stake in the whole mage/templar war, so his vote is going towards the guys with the better plan for the future.

 

"Free all mages" and "kill the rebels" sound nice while the war is going on, but they don't exactly take into account what will be done with future generations of mages.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Mexico illegal immigrants beg to differ.

 

I don't know what country you're from, but Americans don't need permission to use/have guns unless you're in a gun control nut state.

You pretty much have answered yourself with the word illegal.

 

In my country you need permission to have gun it works well in terms of safety (last thing i would need to peoples around me had guns).Im also pretty much sure that in America there are guns you can't even touch despite it can be used by government forces as well. 

 

 

Honestly, my dwarf inquisitor has little personal feelings at stake in the whole mage/templar war, so his vote is going towards the guys with the better plan for the future.

 

"Free all mages" and "kill the rebels" sound nice while the war is going on, but they don't exactly take into account what will be done with future generations of mages.

In my scenario it does ,the answer is the same thing what you did with the previous.

[Ogillardetta]

I'm pro freedom for everyone, they should be allowed to start families and stay with their old families etc. Maybe there could be a circle but it should function like a normal school, go there in the morning come home in the evenings.
Regular kids should be forced to attend too so they learn how to write etc and maybe it will reduce the fear of mages.

[berrieh]

All those who were fed to demons, had their emotions forcibly ripped out, or were murdered en masse based on suspicion alone would, I believe, disagree with you.

 

No one is "fed" to demons. They're tested and they're tested when they are perceived to be likely to pass the test, and those who they do not believe will pass a Harrowing are not even allowed to do one (I personally disagree with this, but it definitely goes against your "fed to demons" thing). They're tested because they will be tested their whole lives. They're tested because Enchanters traditionally were allowed to travel outside the Circle for various purposes or even go to town to buy things (pre recent crackdown) and someone won't always be watching. They're tested to be better hardened so they don't have to be killed later and so they don't hurt potentially thousands of others. I'm not against some reforms on the Harrowing (good ones have been suggested in another thread) but it's not "feeding them to demons." 

 

Tranquility is supposed to be a mercy. It is the only option besides death for mages who cannot control their power. Letting them become an abomination when they clearly lack the strength to fend off demons would be more "feeding them to demons" than the Harrowing. It's also a mercy in the case of blood magic. If you use illegal blood magic, you should be put to death. Tranquility is a softer option. 

 

I don't agree with the annulment in Kirkwall, but that does not show systematic Circle oppression. One event does not constitute oppression. That's simply not how it works.

 

To anyone who says mages aren't oppressed...

 

I dare you to try and destroy your leash/phylactory as a circle mage and run, then tell me you aren't oppressed.

 

a phylactery I might add, powered by blood magic. Supposedly forbidden.

 

I cannot leave my country without proper traveling papers.

There are many places I'm not free to travel, even with those. 

I cannot carry any weapon I want. 

And that is in my Western world country. 

 

In Thedas, there are many people who can't go where they want, do what they want, etc. 

 

Also - Phylacteries seem unnatural to Evangeline, but they carry none of the addictive or demon-related problems of blood magic so far as we've been shown. And they're legal. Just like it's legal for the military to have weapons I cannot. 

 

Mexico illegal immigrants beg to differ.

 

I don't know what country you're from, but Americans don't need permission to use/have guns unless you're in a gun control nut state.

 

Illegal immigrants. Who are deported if caught - just like a mage is brought back to the Circle if caught. 

 

And you absolutely need a permit for many types of guns in the United States and to be a certain age, etc, etc. And some people are prohibited from owning them. It does vary from state to state, and I'd say the states with stricter gun control are the saner ones, personally, since MOST countries engage in gun control and thus are more successful at preventing gun crimes. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Mexico illegal immigrants beg to differ.

 

I don't know what country you're from, but Americans don't need permission to use/have guns unless you're in a gun control nut state.

"I need a gun to protect myself from everyone else with a gun" is about the stupidest self-fulfilling prophecy to ever come out of USA...

[raging_monkey]

"I need a gun to protect myself from everyone else with a gun" is about the stupidest self-fulfilling prophecy to ever come out of USA...

really i thought separate but equal or unilateralism

[EmperorSahlertz]

really i thought separate but equal or unilateralism

Don't get me wrong, USA is guilty of a lot of stupid stuff. But their gun laws and violence worship takes the cake.

[Br3admax]

Why are we talking about politics when all the person in question said was that the statement Komandor made isn't universal? 

[Lord_Caledore]

Keep politics out of this thread, please.

 

I'll be supporting the Templars in Inquisition. I certainly won't side with the extremist elements, but I still believe the Circle is the best solution for Mages. It can certainly be reformed and improved, but I've seen too many instances in game of how dangerous unregulated Mages can be. My character will also be a devout Andrastian and eventually a Templar himself, so he'd naturally side with the Templars.

 

My Hawke sided with the Mages, but it was out of survival, not idealogy. Anders forever soured me on the mage freedom movement. Not only did he murder innocents, he also forced mages everywhere into a bloody war without any other mage having a say in that decision. I'm sure there are plenty of mages who wish they were safe in the Circle, but Anders forced them into a war they may never have believed in. The arrogance of the man in thinking he knows what is best for all mages turned my Hawke against him.

Naturally I hope for some measure of compromise, but when it comes down to it, the Templars will have my support.

[raging_monkey]

Don't get me wrong, USA is guilty of a lot of stupid stuff. But their gun laws and violence worship takes the cake.

i was being a wiseass to lighten the mood(gotta work on my humour)

[The Ascendant]

Pro Human. Pro Mage. The best of both worlds.

[DKJaigen]

The circle will be reformed in Templar victory.

 

The only thing that will occur is that the circle will be ruled even more harshly. but the rest will remain the same : templars will always fall to their corruption and incompetence and the entire system will fall apart again when the next elder ones barges in.