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[Br3admax]

You sure do know a lot about the plot. Are you a reviewer? 

[raging_monkey]

The only thing that will occur is that the circle will be ruled even more harshly. but the rest will remain the same : templars will always fall to their corruption and incompetence and the entire system will fall apart again when the next elder ones barges in.

best to have magi rule themselves without mundane oversight

[Br3admax]

best to have magi rule themselves without mundane oversight

The.

Circles.

Ruled.

Them.

Selves. 

 

Honestly, the idea that any group of people should have no check is really idiotic. 

[Blackstork]

My first character will be phrophet of new Arcane Adrastianism, where Mages take important role, and beneficial ones commune with benevolent spirits, and part of Clergy, where Templars thing will be removed as obsolete concept which didnt proved it self well, as Mages, they have own taint of Lyrium. That means she will try to Merge old , pro-inquisition Chantry with Mages, This means mages will be forced to pass Harrowing and to be the clergy and serve to religion, in difference of containment in Circles, Where control of mages will be done by.. religious elder mages clergy. This means Orlais and Farendel to become like Tevinter rule wise, but without slavery and any reundant evil things Tevinter magister rule have, and the Mages will be restricted by new Adrastianism rules. They will have much more freedoms, and Apostates wont be hunted, but invited to have cover of new belief churches. So far she aims to build beneficial system of Light, Magic and Spirits. Mages to be categorized. The best force to fight demons and maleficars are ones who been able to withstand against initial temptation of being possesed. Probably 3 mages (Vivienne, Solas and Dorian) of Inquisition , in her vision, will take lead positions of different arcane departments of the new system she aims to build. We (she) will see how it rolls ...

[raging_monkey]

The.
Circles.
Ruled.
Them.
Selves. 
 
Honestly, the idea that any group of people should have no check is really idiotic.

im fully aware of this. Cant i just fan the flames of rebellion. Cant get any worse lighten up lol

[KocicaK]

I think that mages should live like any other human. No locking in circles and cutting off from their families would mean that they wouldn´t have reason to obtain powers for escaping or defeatig their „prisoners“.(no need for demons, blood magic, etc.) no escaping means no need for templar in their present form. No templars means no need for more power. (more oppresed = more powerful, more powerful = more oppresed, ….) only obligaiton would be going to school, where they would learn how to control their powers. Also non-mages should attend that school too to reduce their fear from mages. That would be the best option for all. Of course there would still be some idiotic mages, who want to rule, destroy something or some other things. They would be treated like any other criminal. For that, city guards would learn some of templar skills. But there wouldn´t be need for real templars.

 

That should work i think. For examle elves don´t have cirles and their society isn´t destroyed by mages. They teach their mages, they understand their mages and everyone is happy. They don´t have lot of posssesed mages, they don´t have lot of blood mages as well. Elves are example that this system can work.

 

Because of that idea i am definety pro-mage. Mages aren´t treated like normal people but like something lower, that has to end.

[EmperorSahlertz]

That should work i think. For examle elves don´t have cirles and their society isn´t destroyed by mages. They teach their mages, they understand their mages and everyone is happy. They don´t have lot of posssesed mages, they don´t have lot of blood mages as well. Elves are example that this system can work.

50% of all Dalish mages we've encountered so far have been blood mages...

 

Dalish are also don't have a lot of mages (or even people for that matter) to begin with, meaning that less complicated systems, are more likely to work. Fewer moving parts, makes a machine run smoothly and all that.

 

Also, there is nothing that indicates that the possession rate amongst Dalish mages are any different than Circle Mages'. And it should be noted that the Keepers and their Firsts are often leading rather secluded lives from their clans, and never cast magic in the presence of the clan. Meaning that even the Dalish take their precausions.

[DKJaigen]

50% of all Dalish mages we've encountered so far have been blood mages...

 

Dalish are also don't have a lot of mages (or even people for that matter) to begin with, meaning that less complicated systems, are more likely to work. Fewer moving parts, makes a machine run smoothly and all that.

 

Also, there is nothing that indicates that the possession rate amongst Dalish mages are any different than Circle Mages'. And it should be noted that the Keepers and their Firsts are often leading rather secluded lives from their clans, and never cast magic in the presence of the clan. Meaning that even the Dalish take their precausions.

 

The tevinter imperium says mages can rule and can rule well.

[Cryptos]

People never seem to understand what benefits the circles actually brought.....

[Sports72Xtrm]

People never seem to understand what benefits the circles actually brought.....

slavery theoretically brought the same benefits to slaves like Orana, that doesn't mean its for everybody....

[Nyaore]

Neither, both sides are moronic and power hungry in different ways. The mages wanting full autonomy and willing to risk all to get it, and the templars wanting full control and willing to do much the same. I've always been of the opinion that the mage and templar symbiotic relationship was necessary, though not in the manner that the Chantry decided upon. Like it or not, Abominations are a real threat, one that won't simply cease because you wish it to. For that reason I really support the idea of both sides working together, with mage children being sent away in a fashion much like the Harry Potter franchise, but staying in the Circles until they can fully control their powers. Once they can, and prove themselves, they could be released to live their lives as they see fit. The Circle also providing them with education and even trade skills if they so desire. Families, instead of being scratched from the records, would have visitation - sometimes even for weeks if they are willing to put up their lives for that long. In regards to checking up on mages who have left, most towns seem to have a dedicated Chantry with templar guardians to watch over them, I believe that if the Templars actually paid attention and got along with the mages living in the town they'd be able to notice when one became possessed. I know it's more of an ideal situation than actually viable, given the hundreds of years of oppression and hatred, but if I had that big red button that would fix everything that would be how I'd do it. 

[Barquiel]

People never seem to understand what benefits the circles actually brought.....

Because the circles (at least as they are presented in the games and novels) do more harm than good, not to mention that I can count the number of reasonable templers whose moral judgement I'd trust on one hand. Maybe it would be different if there were more reasonable/honorable templars like Evangeline and the circles would be more like schools. But even "moderates" like Gregoir have obviously no problems with awful practices like Tranquility, summary executions and the Annulment.

[dragonflight288]

Who cares about what the mages will do? Abominations are the real problem.

 

 

Anyway, as with a lot of others, I originally was very strongly pro-Mage. Then I signed up for BSN. 

 

I thought I was a moderate and could understand and even get behind the templars side of things....then I signed up for BSN. Some of the more hardcore extremists kind of ruined the case of the templars, as they stand, for me. 

 

It can go both ways, it seems. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Evangeline remains a rebel and traitor.

She should be taken away.

[Gothfather]

They are both spoilt children that must be punished.

[KocicaK]

50% of all Dalish mages we've encountered so far have been blood mages...

 

Dalish are also don't have a lot of mages (or even people for that matter) to begin with, meaning that less complicated systems, are more likely to work. Fewer moving parts, makes a machine run smoothly and all that.

 

Also, there is nothing that indicates that the possession rate amongst Dalish mages are any different than Circle Mages'. And it should be noted that the Keepers and their Firsts are often leading rather secluded lives from their clans, and never cast magic in the presence of the clan. Meaning that even the Dalish take their precausions.

Ok, i admit that elves have quite a lot bloodmages, but they aren´t bloodmages because they wanted more power, but because it´s just another form of magic for them(i think) they don´t do mess like human bloodmages.

even though, i don´t remember muuch problems with abominations or other demon problems among them(of course there is Merrill, but still lesser then in circles)

and for that non using magic on public places: That could mean, that they have more mages than we think. Also, human mages don´t cast in cities or among other people as well. That´s the same as not fighting in the city. (excluding criminals) magic is form of combat too.

And ok, they have precautions but still their community works ok as a whole. Their mages aren´t pushed aside or something.

[RustyW]

I think they both need to stay but their roles need to change.

I think Templars will always be needed to sort out the new mages if they fail their test. When they have passed they stay under tutorage from an experienced Mage for say 2 years. After that they can go on and do there own thing.

If they get up to 'bad stuff' after like blood magic, killing people in appropriately or abusing magic to gain favour in politics or otherwise. I think a group of mages should step in and sort that out, responsible for sorting their mess out.

The Templars & Seekers should support the mages with this and have a joint council where the Templars appoint the Mage responsible for leading the group of mages to govern the rogue mages.

The Templars can then keep those phials of blood so if the group responsible for keeping the rogues in line goes rogue, then they can be found & dealt with.

I think this which is a system I thought of quickly, would work for both sides & be seen by joe public that their safety is still being looked after.

What do people think?

[dragonflight288]

Evangeline remains a rebel and traitor.

She should be taken away.

 

So you say the same of Cassandra?

[Googleness]

Burn them all.

The maker will sort his own.

[The Baconer]

Evangeline remains a rebel and traitor.

She should be taken away.

 

All of the Templars are rebels and traitors at the moment.

[Kevlar Eater]

I don't like either side, and I hope to be able to kill both on sight (even if it means having two enemy sources instead of one). More exp for me.

[Br3admax]

Not possible. One side is supposed to "help" power up the Mark. 

[General TSAR]

I think its a good thing war broke out.

Templars win: divine right applies and magi are either killed or more likely put in restrictive circles as a "fair" punishment

Magi win: either a new tevinter(unlikely) or new circles are made or magi have their freedom to do x deed and are killed bigots and uneducated.

I say we roll the dice

I like that gamble.

 

Though killing all Mages is a really really bad idea with the Qunari Armada about to set sail for conquest. I think the Qunari solution to the Mage problem is the best option in order to protect the world from magic while not neutering yourself militarily. 

[Master Warder Z_]

So you say the same of Cassandra?

Nope.

She didn't join the mage rebellion.

It's diffirent to remain with the Chantry then it is to join the enemy.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm pro-Smart people, so whichever group doesn't act and look like friggin idiots gets my vote.

 

*reminisces on my pro-Mage days*