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Mages vs. Templars: Where do you stand?


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#476
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Or every reason not to side with them. The human mage is the one who got to observe the Templar's "expertise" firsthand.

Not really. As the child of a prominent, Chantry noble family in a pretty mundane Circle, we probably had the most sheltered life of all the PC mages so far.



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Not really. As the child of a prominent, Chantry noble family in a pretty mundane Circle, we probably had the most sheltered life of all the PC mages so far.

 

Not what I meant by expertise.

 

If my goal is to bolster the Inquisition by filling it with skilled, capable people... I don't think the Templars will have what I'm looking for.


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I'm... pretty sure there are quite a few mages who would disagree with that.

Our inquisitor could be one of these. He had a nice life with warm meals, warm baths, reading books and discussing the theory of lightning conductivity through lyrium with his colleagues, making sure to be polite to the templars and not ****** them off, then suddenly, BAM! You hear that the conclave went apeshit, voted to leave the Chantry, got the templars all riled up and declare the death of all mages and now they're banging on his door so he has to run from his warm room with hot baths and delicious meals and has to hide into cold forests scrounging for whatever nuts and berries may or may not be edible while shutting out the voices of the demons who keep whispering promises that they're going to make it all better.

Well, ****.

I certainly wouldn't be happy about that.

 

Also I need to learn to detect sarcasm before I start typing.
 

If all of that is earned on the toleration of bloodshed unending at the hands of the templars against all who weren't so lucky as to survive apprenticeship, or who just were in the wrong place at the wrong time for any number of reasons, my sympathy at someone losing their prison's worldly comforts will be somewhat limited. I'll only be sympathetic in full if they were working to change things at the time.



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No, but I have sympathy towards all the people that had fallen victim to the abusement of a mage unnatural power. It's not because what they might do,it's because what they will do. Just look at the Imperium, mages running around free becoming magisters, owning SLAVES, sacrificing people to blood magic. Tranqulisation happens if mage cannot pass his harrowing,which I perfectly justify, because why would you let a demon puppet into the world. How many more examples do people need, I'm not saying Tempalrs are perfect and not corrupt,but mages cannot be allowed to exist outside the Circle. For the sole reason that they are a danger in all of their life, they suffer every single night, and are exposed to Fade threats always. Imagine just imagine if the Templars are gone, who will stop a demon controlled mage, a few oridnary soldiers, who have no experience in dealing with such things , or a Templar who trains all his life to protect people from the abuse of magical abillties.

The fear of the imperium's return wouldn't even be an issue if the Chantry and templars didn't jealously guard the secrets of templar training. In fact, the fear of the imperium's return could force the nobles of nations to acknowledge and fund the necessity of public education, at least the necessity to read and mandatory templar training. Alistair's exact words were "You don't need lyrium to learn templar talents. Lyrium just makes templar talents more effective." He didn't even have to take lyrium until he became king. Everybody wins: peasants can learn to read and defend themselves against magic, kings can have an anti-magic reserve army at the ready in addition to his own templars answering directly to him, and mages can have freedom to go outside and actually use their powers responsibly and to the betterment of society. but what do I know? I'm just a guy who desires progressive society reforms, enlightenment and harmony among people. Pro-templars seem to prefer constant war, ignorance and persecution. :rolleyes:  In addition, I would have you know that treating mages with dignity instead of hunting and imprisoning them would most likely lower the use of blood magic. Mages are driven to it because of the system. Not all of them are like gollum from lord of the rings, desperate for power and would make deals with demons. The very fact that they could get possessed themselves using blood magic is a powerful deterrent. Understanding of the downside of blood magic would make mages not want to use it but the system is putting a gun to their head and driving them to it. Ironically, the Circle's oppression is the cause of most of the mage's use of blood magic. All of it could be avoided but the system has to change. Is it really that worth it to maintain this terrible status quo just so templars can play the mundane's savior?


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#480
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Not what I meant by expertise.

 

If my goal is to bolster the Inquisition by filling it with skilled, capable people... I don't think the Templars will have what I'm looking for.

You realize that the vast majority of the Inquisition's troops are the Templars and Seekers that stayed loyal to Justinia, yes? :P



#481
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Nah, not your fault. I just didn't check who I was replying to, or in what context.
 
Also, now I have a mental image in my head of mage inquisitor shooting fireball after fireball at rebel mages going "It's all your fault! It's all your fault! It's all your fault!"

haha that is a fun image

Just remember if "raging_monkey" is around he's 95% of the time joking 3%curious of other peoples beliefs/reasons and 2% serious

#482
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You realize that the vast majority of the Inquisition's troops are the Templars and Seekers that stayed loyal to Justinia, yes? :P

And clearly, we need outside help.



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And clearly, we need outside help.


More Templars!

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You realize that the vast majority of the Inquisition's troops are the Templars and Seekers that stayed loyal to Justinia, yes? :P

 

At the beginning, yes, but what does that have to do with the mage/Templar choice?



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More Templars!

more templars= subjugation and "peace"

Disclaimer: joke

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Just wondering but did anyone else Hunter's Note on the mages and templars from one of the DA:I gameplay videos? I think the video has been taken down now but it was pretty interesting.

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I will use the templars as a tool in my domination.



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My Cadash will probably have slightly more mage leanings, but it'll depend on the situation I suppose. He's going to be a very interesting character to roleplay.


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#489
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At the beginning, yes, but what does that have to do with the mage/Templar choice?

I just found it funny how you said Templars aren't what you're looking for in recruitment when the majority of your troops are them is all. 



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*Senses tension brewing*How bout them mages and temps sitting down for a compromise?

Lets play nice
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#491
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funny but lets not devolve into insults my friend YOU are better than that :)

something about how both templars and magi are killing non combatants right?


Yeah. The guy was suffering from PTSD I think because saw what the mages and templars did to a bunch of refugees. First the Templars forced them to hand over food and then the mages set fire to them. The Templars came back to track the mages and one of then stayed behind to kill the refugees. Then when he saw a girl he started taking off his armor and Hunter shot him. Hunter tried to help the girl but she died from her burns.

I thought it was both brilliant and horrible.

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Not what I meant by expertise.

 

If my goal is to bolster the Inquisition by filling it with skilled, capable people... I don't think the Templars will have what I'm looking for.

Ah, you want the people currently losing every known battle. Gotcha. 



#493
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Ah, you want the people currently losing every known battle. Gotcha.


Bahahaha!

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Yeah. The guy was suffering from PTSD I think because saw what the mages and templars did to a bunch of refugees. First the Templars forced them to hand over food and then the mages set fire to them. The Templars came back to track the mages and one of then stayed behind to kill the refugees. Then when he saw a girl he started taking off his armor and Hunter shot him. Hunter tried to help the girl but she died from her burns.
I thought it was both brilliant and horrible.

id preffer the templars get the da2 treatment just so i can objectivly make a choice lol

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Ah, you want the people currently losing every known battle. Gotcha.


What battle?

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id preffer the templars get the da2 treatment just so i can objectivly make a choice lol


What do you mean?

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What battle?

kirkwall, opening battle of rebellion and xamount of battle after(though templars couldve lost x aswell no way to tell)

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Yeah. The guy was suffering from PTSD I think because saw what the mages and templars did to a bunch of refugees. First the Templars forced them to hand over food and then the mages set fire to them. The Templars came back to track the mages and one of then stayed behind to kill the refugees. Then when he saw a girl he started taking off his armor and Hunter shot him. Hunter tried to help the girl but she died from her burns.

I thought it was both brilliant and horrible.

Those evil templars using those refugees as meat shields. Cowardly and sickening.



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id preffer the templars get the da2 treatment just so i can objectivly make a choice lol


But the Templars aren't mages.

Silly monkey!

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What do you mean?

da 2 imo should more bad of magi while templars had maybe 5. Bad templars while magi had X+