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[Cryptos]

Fights for justice and freedom even if he's dragging everyone kicking and screaming, dedicates his life to helping the downtrodden and healing the disenfranchised. I think it worked just fine. He was a white knight in a world without white knights who had a dream of something better for mages and mundanes both that didn't required systematic oppression. Compared to the other Machiavellian sadistic bastards out there, both mages and mundane unlike, anders was a saint.

He killed hundreds of innocents and blew up kirkwalls chantry, Doesn't seem very saintly

[KingTony]

Fights for justice and freedom even if he's dragging everyone kicking and screaming, dedicates his life to helping the downtrodden and healing the disenfranchised. I think it worked just fine. He was a white knight in a world without white knights who had a dream of something better for mages and mundanes both that didn't required systematic oppression. Compared to the other Machiavellian sadistic bastards out there, both mages and mundane unlike, anders was a saint.

I tried to find a video of all the terrible things Anders/Justicw did, but I couldn't.

How many people's lives did he save though? How many were in the Chantry?

[New Kid]

He killed hundreds of innocents and blew up kirkwalls chantry, Doesn't seem very saintly

Did he? I never seen more than a handful of people in there in the space of seven years haha.

[Lord_Caledore]

Even setting aside the hundreds he murdered, what gave Anders the right to decide for all mages - many of whom had no interest in rebellion? His self-righteousness was astounding in that he thought he alone had the right to decide that all mages needed to fight for freedom, and that there was no room for 'compromise'.

[Br3admax]

Did he? I never seen more than a handful of people in there in the space of seven years haha.

The Keep and Vivienne both say Anders killed hundreds. 

[Sports72Xtrm]

He killed hundreds of innocents and blew up kirkwalls chantry, Doesn't seem very saintly

So do templars for every annulment they commit. So do the chantry for every exalted march. He declared war to make things better and atoned for it by offering his life to Hawke or will fight to make sure their sacrifice meant something. Can't expect anything more from somebody. Even the Maker forgave the traitors to Andraste according to the chant, how he will judge Anders i perceive will be less harsh than man's vengeance.

[Hellion Rex]

The Keep and Vivienne both say Anders killed hundreds. 

Indeed. The explosion of the Chantry killed dozens if not more inside, then we see the giant Andraste statues outside falling which probably crushed some people. Plus, anybody outside in Hightown probably was caught in the blast as well.

[Br3admax]

So do templars for every annulment they commit. 

lol

 

 

So do the chantry for every exalted march. 

lol

 

 

He declared war to make things better and atoned for it by offering his life to Hawke or will fight to make sure their sacrifice meant something. 

"When put to the test, I thought you'd kill me..."

 

 

Can't expect anything more from somebody. Even the Maker forgave the traitors to Andraste according to the chant, how he will judge Anders i perceive will be less harsh than man's vengeance.

You haven't read the Chant. The Maker hasn't forgiven anything. 

[New Kid]

The Keep and Vivienne both say Anders killed hundreds. 

Oh, I know, was just joking because it was always empty unless we had something to kill in it.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Even setting aside the hundreds he murdered, what gave Anders the right to decide for all mages - many of whom had no interest in rebellion? His self-righteousness was astounding in that he thought he alone had the right to decide that all mages needed to fight for freedom, and that there was no room for 'compromise'.

What gave the world the right to impose the Circle on every mage? What gave Andraste the right to impose freedom on every Tevinter slave. What gave him the right to act is his own free will just as everyone else is responsible for their own actions. whethers other judge him for it is of no concern. One can only be responsible for his own actions.

[Sports72Xtrm]

You haven't read the Chant. The Maker hasn't forgiven anything. 

http://dragonage.wik...cle_of_Maferath

[TheKomandorShepard]

Fights for justice and freedom even if he's dragging everyone kicking and screaming, dedicates his life to helping the downtrodden and healing the disenfranchised. I think it worked just fine. He was a white knight in a world without white knights who had a dream of something better for mages and mundanes both that didn't required systematic oppression. Compared to the other Machiavellian sadistic bastards out there, both mages and mundane unlike, anders was a saint.

by white knight you mean he was an abomnation that is unstable and dangerous for surroundings?

[Cryptos]

So do templars for every annulment they commit. So do the chantry for every exalted march. He declared war to make things better and atoned for it by offering his life to Hawke or will fight to make sure their sacrifice meant something. Can't expect anything more from somebody. Even the Maker forgave the traitors to Andraste according to the chant, how he will judge Anders i perceive will be less harsh than man's vengeance.

The right of annulment is only called during extreme times and only when its absolutely necessary, what Anders did was an act of desperation and not necessary at all.

[Br3admax]

http://dragonage.wik...cle_of_Maferath

That's Andraste forgiving her Judas. Not the Maker forgiving anyone. It's also not canon. Did you even read it? 

[NoForgiveness]

I'm on Fiona's side. I think the Circle should become like a jedi order. I'm not so opposed to the idea of templars but I am opposed to the chantry controlling them and people like Meredith should never have been allowed to become one.

[Sports72Xtrm]

The right of annulment is only called during extreme times and only when its absolutely necessary, what Anders did was an act of desperation and not necessary at all.

Well as we seen in Kirkwall and in Rivain, that's not really the case. as for it being an act of desperation, if he was that desperate that there was no other options for him to take, and he doesn't take killing lightly mind you, perhaps it was necessary. I don't judge when Qunari, chantry, nobles, can wage war over the name of a dog, someone who kills for freedom and justice... well there has been worse reasons to kill is all I'm saying.

[Hellion Rex]

That's Andraste forgiving her Judas. Not the Maker forgiving anyone. It's also not canon. Did you even read it? 

You mean it's a Dissonant Verse?

[Keroko]

So do templars for every annulment they commit. So do the chantry for every exalted march. He declared war to make things better and atoned for it by offering his life to Hawke or will fight to make sure their sacrifice meant something. Can't expect anything more from somebody. Even the Maker forgave the traitors to Andraste according to the chant, how he will judge Anders i perceive will be less harsh than man's vengeance.

 

Using that argument implies people agree with the Exalted Marcher or the annulments. I for one, do not.

[Br3admax]

You mean it's a Dissonant Verse?

Yes. That makes it noncanon to the Chant that's accepted in Thedas.

[TTTX]

Good mages know why the Circle is needed. Depending upon their number, I'd be willing to extend living conditions similar to those Winne enjoyed after the Blight to mages who
remained loyal.

I think most mages knows the circle is needed, even Fiona acknowledged it, the disagreement usually comes over the templar and chantry oversight over the circle. 

 

In case of the mage templar war, not all mages got a choice in joining the war or not (remain loyal to chantry), it is actually stated in the mage human origin story in DA:I that the templars tried to kill the mage first basically forcing the mage fight for their survival rather then them fighting for their independence.

[EmissaryofLies]

I think most mages knows the circle is needed, even Fiona acknowledged it, the disagreement usually comes over the templar and chantry oversight over the circle. 

 

In case of the mage templar war, not all mages got a choice in joining the war or not (remain loyal to chantry), it is actually stated in the mage human origin story in DA:I that the templars tried to kill the mage first basically forcing the mage fight for their survival rather then them fighting for their independence.

 

It sums up the entirety of their relationship.

 

The Circle is a great idea, poor execution, however.

[raging_monkey]

WE ARE ON PRECIPE OF CHANGE... SOME WILL FIGHT IT WITH EVERY FIBER OF THEIR BEING.. BUT CHANGE IS WHAT SETS THEM FREE

Why fight it perhqps something good will come of it or not the only way to see is let it happen

[MisterJB]

WE ARE ON PRECIPE OF CHANGE... SOME WILL FIGHT IT WITH EVERY FIBER OF THEIR BEING.. BUT CHANGE IS WHAT SETS THEM FREE

Why fight it perhqps something good will come of it or not the only way to see is let it happen

 

I guess there's no harm in letting the mages go and rule themselves. Let's see what happens.

 

*sexual assault on refugees with third degree burns laters*

 

OH ****; I TAKE IT BACK, I TAKE IT BACK!
 

[raging_monkey]

I guess there's no harm in letting the mages go and rule themselves. Let's see what happens.
 
*sexual assault on refugees with third degree burns laters*
 
OH ****; I TAKE IT BACK, I TAKE IT BACK!

never said full autonmy did i haha besides mundanes do that too just not publized take karras for example. Change is a process sometimes brutal templars and magi are both monsters now.. time will tell who is the greater one

* note do not approve of SA or the "R" word. Im a joker even i have limits lol

[TheKomandorShepard]

I prefer sadist wardens (what is more often false than true in templars case) than world destroyers and walking bombs that already proved that if you will give them freedom to act they will use it to cause mess.

 

So no matter what "monsters" temlar are they always will be better than mages as they keep that world in 1 piece or at least should.