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[raging_monkey]

I prefer sadist wardens (what is more often false than true in templars case) than world destroyers and walking bombs that already proved that if you will give them freedom to act they will use it to cause mess.
 
So no matter what "monsters" temlar are they always will be better than mages as they keep that world in 1 piece or at least should.

kinda missing the sarcasm lol* twirls staff* there are many forms of "world destruction", mundanes, qunari, magi the list goes on

[Tevinter Soldier]

I prefer sadist wardens (what is more often false than true in templars case) than world destroyers and walking bombs that already proved that if you will give them freedom to act they will use it to cause mess.

 

So no matter what "monsters" temlar are they always will be better than mages as they keep that world in 1 piece or at least should.

 

sorry when your Magi ever GIVEN freedom?

 

templars have only proven one thing....... they've failed.

[raging_monkey]

sorry when your Magi ever GIVEN freedom?
 
templars have only proven one thing....... they've failed.

dont start he doesnt listen my friend... his solutions are examples of his stance as well his strawman arguements

[TheKomandorShepard]

kinda missing the sarcasm lol* twirls staff* there are many forms of "world destruction", mundanes, qunari, magi the list goes on

I never saw an example of mundanes having even mean to destroy world in da setting.

 

 

sorry when your Magi ever GIVEN freedom?

 

templars have only proven one thing....... they've failed.

That mages are doing things that templars don't want them to do shows that mages have enough freedom to do those things.Best example pretty much orsino who had enough freedom to help serial killer unoticed.

 

Yep they have failed but system was so flawed and bad that pretty much every game i had to clean a lot of mess that system should prevent and clean.

[Elfquisitor]

sorry when your Magi ever GIVEN freedom?

 

templars have only proven one thing....... they've failed.

 

sorry when your Magi ever GIVEN freedom?

 

templars have only proven one thing....... they've failed.

Failed at what ? You do realise that war is brewing in the moment, and the Templars have the upperhand, they are no longer power manageable by the Chantry. Which means the more mages do abuse their magic abilities, and create panic among the world, the more the Templars will countiue to oppress them. It's that simple. They have not failed, now they are needed more than ever.

[The Baconer]

Failed at what ? You do realise that war is brewing in the moment, and the Templars have the upperhand, they are no longer power manageable by the Chantry. Which means the more mages do abuse their magic abilities, and create panic among the world, the more the Templars will countiue to oppress them. It's that simple. They have not failed, now they are needed more than ever.

 

They have failed, though. Like I said earlier, they had nearly every advantage coming into the war. Numbers, experience, training, support, being able to counter mages entirely... and they had to concede to a truce.
 

That isn't even taking into account the damage each faction inflicted upon Thedas and its people, which, for the Templars, is a betrayal of their mandate.

[raging_monkey]

I never saw an example of mundanes having even mean to destroy world in da setting.
 
 

That mages are doing things that templars don't want them to do shows that mages have enough freedom to do those things.Best example pretty much orsino who had enough freedom to help serial killer unoticed.
 
Yep they have failed but system was so flawed and bad that pretty much every game i had to clean a lot of mess that system should prevent and clean.

destruction of culture, and war are types of world destruction. Just cause they dont throw a fireball doesnt mean they are. not capable of the same thing.. they are just slower at it. But feel free to blame all magi tis your choice haha

[Master Warder Z_]

and they had to concede to a truce.

Except we have no clear indication of the terms of the peace summit.

They could have been there to dictate terms of surrender.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Failed at what ? You do realise that war is brewing in the moment, and the Templars have the upperhand, they are no longer power manageable by the Chantry. Which means the more mages do abuse their magic abilities, and create panic among the world, the more the Templars will countiue to oppress them. It's that simple. They have not failed, now they are needed more than ever.

 

their very job.

 

Job number one, protect mages from mundanes, templars "Mundanes" went about murdering, raping, starving and turning Mages tranquil without permission well before the rebellion. They committed the very crimes they were supposed to prevent. FAIL

 

Job number two: serve as the army of the chantry.......... they officially tore up the Navarra accord because they didn't like the divine. and went on a killing spree FAIL

 

Job number three: Protect Mundanes from mages, have you heard about the whole war which has seen mages burning farms and blowing up refugee's? FAIL

 

Job number four: conduct themselves with honour and hold up the ideals of being a templar, shall we revisit the theft murder and rape they've been doing in the hinterlands and all the crimes they committed when mages were imprisoned? FAIL

 

they couldn't win employee of the month as self employed contractor.

[TheKomandorShepard]

destruction of culture, and war are types of world destruction. Just cause they dont throw a fireball doesnt mean they are. not capable of the same thing.. they are just slower at it. But feel free to blame all magi tis your choice haha

Destruction of culture isn't same as destruction of life or race.... it is like to compare conquering ferelden to destruction whole thedas.And no they aren't capable same thing as mages otherwise what would be point of locking mages if they were equal danger.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Destruction of culture isn't same as destruction of life or race.... it is like to compare conquering ferelden to destruction whole thedas.And no they aren't capable same thing as mages otherwise what would be point of locking mages if they were equal danger.

 

If mages were that dangerous you wouldn't even be able to lock them up.

[Kersh]

Depends, if I was a mage I would stand with the mages. 

 

If I wasnt I wouldn't care. No matter what I would never stand with drugged out Templars.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If mages were that dangerous you wouldn't even be able to lock them up.

Well we could do that same with nukes despite they are pretty much damn dangerous.Mages aren't dangerous because they have superman powers they are dangerous because they are walking bombs plus they need opportunity to cause damage see how mages caused blights...
 

[The Baconer]

Except we have no clear indication of the terms of the peace summit.

They could have been there to dictate terms of surrender.

 

I don't doubt that they would demand that the mages submit, but it seems they can't actually bring this about through their own efforts...

[Master Warder Z_]

Job number two: serve as the army of the chantry.......... they officially tore up the Navarra accord because they didn't like the divine. and went on a killing spree

Actually they were only bound to the Chantry by agreement, an agreement Gaider affirmed Lambert had the authority to end.

[raging_monkey]

Destruction of culture isn't same as destruction of life or race.... it is like to compare conquering ferelden to destruction whole thedas.And no they aren't capable same thing as mages otherwise what would be point of locking mages if they were equal danger.

its a mundane fear. That they lock them up but thats a moot point now both groups are failures. Like i said i dont seek to change your beliefs simply... to bust your chops lol

[Cryptos]

why do the templar arguments always involve drugs?!

[TheKomandorShepard]

its a mundane fear. That they lock them up but thats a moot point now both groups are failures. Like i said i dont seek to change your beliefs simply... to bust your chops lol

It us mundane fear and that fear is justified as things they fear about mages are pretty much mostly real.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Well we could do that same with nukes despite they are pretty much damn dangerous.Mages aren't dangerous because they have superman powers they are dangerous because they are walking bombs plus they need opportunity to cause damage see how mages caused blights...
 

 

the maker caused the blights because he didn't want houseguests.

[The Elder King]

Except we have no clear indication of the terms of the peace summit.
They could have been there to dictate terms of surrender.

Possibly. Though it might be The templars' surrender .
Seriously though, I doubt that either side was going to surrender. We'll know soon.

[TTTX]

That mages are doing things that templars don't want them to do shows that mages have enough freedom to do those things.Best example pretty much orsino who had enough freedom to help serial killer unoticed.

It's not exactly hard to hide in Kirkwall.

 

Emile was at the hanged man, spreading false rumors about being a blood mage and Meredtih's templars couldn't find him.

Anders stayed in Darktown for about 6 years and his place wasn't not much a secret, he said so himself.

 

 

Failed at what ? You do realise that war is brewing in the moment, and the Templars have the upperhand, they are no longer power manageable by the Chantry. Which means the more mages do abuse their magic abilities, and create panic among the world, the more the Templars will countiue to oppress them. It's that simple. They have not failed, now they are needed more than ever.

By the time DA:I happens, the templars don't seem to care much about protecting the civilians (which is among their duties) and the ones who is taking red lyrium well they are going to be no better then power hungry blood mages.

 

Needed as they are, their image are going to be tainted after that.

 

 

Destruction of culture isn't same as destruction of life or race.... it is like to compare conquering ferelden to destruction whole thedas.And no they aren't capable same thing as mages otherwise what would be point of locking mages if they were equal danger.

Oddly enough there is only one mage that we know off (right now) that actively sought the destruction the of the world and that's because he had been taught for most of his life that he was a weapon and weapons destroy things.

 

Most mages either wants to be left alone or help when they can and a very few wants to conquer stuff.

[Cryptos]

the maker caused the blights because he didn't want houseguests.

Question: Are you pro chantry or anti chantry?

[Tevinter Soldier]

Actually they were only bound to the Chantry by agreement, an agreement Gaider affirmed Lambert had the authority to end.

 

Quitting is still failing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

the maker caused the blights because he didn't want houseguests.

In first place wheter maker exist is not explained wheter mages pissed off god or just went to place they shouldn't pretty sure that we can thanks mages for doing that.If not them maker wouldn't taint anyone and in second scenario no one would go to black city in first place as that would require magic.So no mages no blight

[ComedicSociopathy]

So...

 

What are we arguing for here?

 

I mean do the Mages just want the Circles independent from the Chantry and Templar supervision?

 

Or do Mages want the Circles to be completely abolished and for all of them to able to move around Thedas without any outside supervision or affliction other then their free agency? 

 

Just asking because people seem to arguing for Mages wanting vastly different things.