because the chantry holds no real power their and if the rumours are correct the Mortalitasi rule that nation through a puppet king.
that is hardly a compromise that is magi winning.
The chantry holds power in Nevarra. They are a faithful nation to the chantry. They have their practice of mummification for the dead that makes them unique, but they are a kingdom that follows the chantry.
That said, it is highly likely that the Mortalitasi are rulling through Markus Pentaghast.
but its wasn't the compromise at all, no mage (outside of tevinter) ever got a say. it was die or go to the circle.
Its compromise between Tevinter and Par Vollen, situation where mages are in charge or mages have no freedom. Within circle mages still have their voice, enchanters can travel outside of circle and Circle itself is charge of education. The system should be improved however so that real compromise could be achieved.
I try to be neutral, but would ultimately side with the mages.
Templars
Its compromise between Tevinter and Par Vollen, situation where mages are in charge or mages have no freedom. Within circle mages still have their voice, enchanters can travel outside of circle and Circle itself is charge of education. The system should be improved however so that real compromise could be achieved.
I love how peoples think that compromise is always good solution. 
Pretty much that voice gave mages a lot opportunities to teach blood magic in first place there shouldn't be any politics in circle and mages shouldn't have any position in power we saw where that leads in ferelden and kirkwall.Just remove FE and any other positions.
If I lived in Thedas I would be off to the side hiding hoping the mages don't blast or sacrifice me and the the templars don't confuse me for a mage and kill me.
The chantry holds power in Nevarra. They are a faithful nation to the chantry. They have their practice of mummification for the dead that makes them unique, but they are a kingdom that follows the chantry.
That said, it is highly likely that the Mortalitasi are rulling through Markus Pentaghast.
their mages apparently roam free, have great political power and they mummify their dead freely allowing (hell encouraging) spirits through the fade to posses them rather then burn their dead as the chantry dictates.
by all reckoning they are not a following the chantry's code's. if they were so faithful this would not be the status qou. Everything we've seen has shown that places where the chantry has REAL power these affronts are not permitted.
just because the chantry is the most followed reglion doesn't mean the chantry holds any political sway.
Its compromise between Tevinter and Par Vollen, situation where mages are in charge or mages have no freedom. Within circle mages still have their voice, enchanters can travel outside of circle and Circle itself is charge of education. The system should be improved however so that real compromise could be achieved.
once again ignoring the MAGES say, what you want is to crush the mages force them back into the circles YOUR comfortable with. But you don't have the stomach to it so you want them to agree to it.
In the middle? Both sides have valid points
once again ignoring the MAGES say, what you want is to crush the mages force them back into the circles YOUR comfortable with. But you don't have the stomach to it so you want them to agree to it.
Naah, it's what majority of mages say since majority of them used to be in Aequitarian faction that was in side of Circle system before mage-templar war broke out; there wasn't change to get back in the Circles anymore at the moment since they couldn't surrender for templars who break out of Chantry. What you are speaking as compromise is Isolationist faction that however is rather small.
Honestly, if I had any power, I'd end up playing the Fen'Harel and screwing over both sides. I despise zealotry. It doesn't matter what form it takes.
Personally, though, I stand with the "reformed Circle" camp. Without the Circle, or some centralized system to train mages, you'd end up with a bunch of adolescent (and sometimes pre-adolescent) running around with no viable way of controlling their powers. Not everyone is going to have a trained mage living in their village. Mages, and especially Mage children, would become scapegoats for when something goes wrong, like if a village or farming community has a lean year, or if a number of livestock die from disease. We'd end up seeing the Thedosian version of the witch hunts within a short span of time. That, or the governments of each nation would press-gang any known mage into the military, to be used like human-shaped cannons.
And, yes, I know that happens with the Circle. The thing is, it usually only happens when there is a world-ending crisis going on, like a Blight.
The point I'm trying to make is that things do need to change. The current Circle and the current version of the Templar Order do not work. I'll probably stand with the mages when the time comes, though, because I will not reward the Templar Order for the past abuses that they have either ignored or actively covered up. But I hope I'll also be given the option to watch the mages, and express my displeasure that they're being lead by people like Fiona and Adrian.
Naah, it's what majority of mages say since majority of them used to be in Aequitarian faction that was in side of Circle system before mage-templar war broke out; there wasn't change to get back in the Circles anymore at the moment since they couldn't surrender for templars who break out of Chantry. What you are speaking as compromise is Isolationist faction that however is rather small.
I'm sorry didn't the MAJORITY vote to leave? clearly they didnt think it was such a hum dingier. even the Aequitarian faction wasn't happy with the circles they just wanted to go about reform by changing it from the inside (btw 1000yrs got the no where) NO ONE was happy except for the money hungry group that didn't care.
I'm sorry didn't the MAJORITY vote to leave? clearly they didnt think it was such a hum dingier. even the Aequitarian faction wasn't happy with the circles they just wanted to go about reform by changing it from the inside (btw 1000yrs got the no where) NO ONE was happy except for the money hungry group that didn't care.
Majority is in side of Circle system however, not just templars overstepping their authorities. And thus Circle system should be reformed but kept since there is no alternative for it.
Lol this convo is getting longish ^^;
Neither. Both have points, and it's a vicious cycle already.
I think that the mages deserve freedom! With them free (I think) the number of blood mages will decrease, but still it will need to exist na organization responsible to teach magic, an other to hunt blood mages (that can be compose by mages) and an organization to supervise this hunters.
I think that the mages deserve freedom! With them free (I think) the number of blood mages will decrease, but still it will need to exist na organization responsible to teach magic, an other to hunt blood mages (that can be compose by mages) and an organization to supervise this hunters.
Majority is in side of Circle system however, not just templars overstepping their authorities. And thus Circle system should be reformed but kept since there is no alternative for it.
Lol this convo is getting longish ^^;
and around now you see why their can be no compromise. your Idea of compromise is the mages back in the circle. you have that option. side with the templars and hope they don't murder all the mages.
I think that the mages deserve freedom! With them free (I think) the number of blood mages will decrease, but still it will need to exist na organization responsible to teach magic, an other to hunt blood mages (that can be compose by mages) and an organization to supervise this hunters.
I'm on with the idea of both mages and templars works together. Not as jailor/opressed relationship they had before, but as equal. The goal, is of course be a guardian of peace like the Jedi 
, guardian of knowledges etc.
In anyway, it's hard to let mages truly be free considering the danger, but putting them to opression is also out of question. Why not making them watch each other? Templars and Mages.
I'm on with the idea of both mages and templars works together. Not as jailor/opressed relationship they had before, but as equal. The goal, is of course be a guardian of peace like the Jedi
In anyway, it's hard to let mages truly be free considering the danger, but putting them to opression is also out of question. Why not making them watch each other? Templars and Mages.
they tried that, templars were supposed to serve the first enchanter. but templars overstepped their bounds and the chantry and the seekers did nothing.
their mages apparently roam free, have great political power and they mummify their dead freely allowing (hell encouraging) spirits through the fade to posses them rather then burn their dead as the chantry dictates.
by all reckoning they are not a following the chantry's code's. if they were so faithful this would not be the status qou. Everything we've seen has shown that places where the chantry has REAL power these affronts are not permitted.
just because the chantry is the most followed reglion doesn't mean the chantry holds any political sway.
Nevarra has a circle of magi in addition to the Mortalitasi. Truth is we don't know how devoted they are. The lore hasn't pointed out that the chantry bearly holds any sway, as it did with Rivian, nor made a point to say the are rather devoted as with Anderfels.
I generally support government regulation, and generally reject the idea of freedom as a right, especially in a world where some people are walking nukes. As it relates to this topic, I do think magic/mages are useful, but it needs to be regulated so that the right kinds are contributing to society and the wrong kinds are not corrupting it (and if the wrong kinds do get out, it will be few enough to easily deal with).
I stand with upholding the status-quo, but I would offer more freedoms to mages that demonstrate they can handle them responsibly, which would be determined by the headmasters at the Circle of Magi.
they tried that, templars were supposed to serve the first enchanter. but templars overstepped their bounds and the chantry and the seekers did nothing.
We'll see once Lambert's off picture. I can't see any other way. Opression can only work a time before the boundary is stepped and it'll be open rebellion once again.
I keep comparing the situation to other fantasy worlds with similar concerns (mainly the Harry Potter & Star Wars saga), and IMO opression can't work...
Retour en haut
