i never said it was perfect. If you'd like i can pm my ideal solution to you its off topic and id rather not have it lost or torn apart lol
Lay it on me, monkey boy.
Also, I hope I wasn't to critical of your posts. I personally think their pretty rational and not crazy, which is something that seems to be lacking around these parts.
I say the Templars should be hunted down and killed without mercy. The chantry needs to burn. Maybe Anders will show up, I would love to see a few more chantries explode, preferably full of their miserable self righteous clergy.
Hopefully Anders is a shambling abomination or dead by the time inquisition comes and wouldn't you become self righteous after you performed those heinous acts?
oh im very pro mage but my time on the bsn has tempered my zeal. And im not RPing atmLay it on me, monkey boy.
Also, I hope I wasn't to critical of your posts. I personally think their pretty rational and not crazy, which is something that seems to be lacking around these parts.
I myself am in the middle on this subject, though I think a better solution than the circles can be found. I think the templars should exist, they are the mage police in a sense, and mages are just people with extra things thrown on their shoulders.
Sorry, mental gymnastics with pedantic twisting of words isn't going to win me over. It's a mental gymnastics argument using the letter of the word to defeat the spirit of the word.
Try again.
That's the first time I've ever heard 'definition' be considered 'mental gymnastics.'
Personally, I've found words have meanings, and that those meanings are what define what a word represents. If a word's definition doesn't align with the 'spirit' in which the word's use is intended... then the word is being misused. Objective definition and established history don't take second fiddle to someone's lack of eloquence and need for a buzz word.
But I see you're a believer in truthiness, so there's not much else to say to you.
depends on the universe already written on keep:
Universe 0 is pro mage (but anti Hawke...): is actually the genderbended version of universe one... King Alistair made the final sacrifice, this will be played with a dalish mage inquisitor instead of Anders too
Universe 1 is pro Anders: templars desserve death, chantry desserves to be burned and is settled up for elven domination in future games
Universe 2 is pro Andraste: circles must be restored, chantry must be reconstructed under a new law, Lelianna and Sereda are meant to be together and start a new age for everyone
Universe 3 is pro Freedom: circles must be burned, aka squishing the intelectuals is a good thing to do, brawns over brains, passion over reason, insticts over self control, natural selection over science... is a perfect world for me, i wish we could live all there
Universe 4 is pro everyone: Altatalwi, the elven mage will be fully diplomatic, not supporting anyone in specific, we can all share a beer there
Universe 5 is pro Gray Wardens: Queen Cousland and King Alistair rule Ferelden probably will be played with Anders inquisitor too
Universe 6 is pro Dalish: Morrigan had a son, however warden died. Cynthia the qunari is inquisitor
Universe 7 is pro Qunari (if possible):
every universe: Blargha "the warrior elf" and ander's little sister "Raven" will be played on every universe (except universes 1 and 5 for obvious reasons)... Raven is always pro freedom and Blargha is always anti human
I would advocate for Hogwarts-like Circles and also education for everyone else on magic and mages. Too much people doing stupid things out of fear and ignorance. Education Age!
People like you are the reason i was afraid to go to school... wait i was not afraid i was angry but my point is taken anyways.
There will always be mages, so yeah, they need a better system than one that breeds constant strife.
So...
What are we arguing for here?
I mean do the Mages just want the Circles independent from the Chantry and Templar supervision?
Or do Mages want the Circles to be completely abolished and for all of them to able to move around Thedas without any outside supervision or affliction other then their free agency?
Just asking because people seem to arguing for Mages wanting vastly different things.
The same thing that has been argued for years.
Some Pro-Mages want complete freedom. Some want the circle system to exist without oversight. Some want to rule all of Thedas. Others would have things as they were before the Templars threw a tantrum and left the Chantry.
There will always be mages, so yeah, they need a better system than one that breeds constant strife.
How about a little more freedom in the circles?
My view may seem...extreme, to say the least...
Mages are a problem. Yes, they're people and they think, laugh and love like we do.
However, a mage without the proper knowledge on how to harness their gift is incredibly vulnerable to possession. Even an experienced mage is never truly safe from the demon menace. Obviously we have the Circles to mitigate this risk. Even so, nearly every mage whines about their 'oppression' and how the shackles of the Circle need to be broken. I find this completely selfish.
A mage's freedom is bought with the blood of innocents. The Tevinter Imperium taught us this all too well.
There will always be mages, so yeah, they need a better system than one that breeds constant strife.
It's funny because it really is that easy; treating mages humanely would get Thedas far.
I can end this argument with one word. Dalish. They practice magic, and though accidents do occur, they seem to manage just fine. All one needs to do is ensure that responsible use of magic is taught to all who wield it. Couple that with careful research carried out under controlled conditions with every safety measure that can possibly be implemented used. You don't have to cage them in order to properly manage the risk. Accidents will always occur no matter what. All you can realistically do is minimize that risk not eliminate it altogether. There's also no good reason to segregate them from the rest of society. We've seen time and again that you can't realistically control all mages. Plenty have managed to live outside the Circle just fine without incident. I don't really think blood magic is all that evil either so long as you don't go sacrificing people. I will always support the mages, and that is that.
You think a xenophobic mageocracy of nomadic tribals with a society based on a romanticized past of glory and victimization and a political body based on deliberate fragmentation and explicit non-dependency of sub-group survival is a model for the concerns of Andrastian Thedas?
Uh, sure. Yeah. One word.
'Terrible' is also one word, and would likely be the appropriate response.
You think a xenophobic mageocracy of nomadic tribals with a society based on a romanticized past of glory and victimization and a political body based on deliberate fragmentation and explicit non-dependency of sub-group survival is a model for the concerns of Andrastian Thedas?
Uh, sure. Yeah. One word.
'Terrible' is also one word, and would likely be the appropriate response.
I think the "one word" he meant was Isolationist viewpoint. Dalish was definitely not the One Word.
There are likely more mages in Thedas than Dalish period. It's nowhere near comparable, and even there, mages dominate the society and consistently consort with demons, with entire clans going missing. If that's the kind of accidents you want, all the power to you. The rest of Thedas wants to live. .
I think the "one word" he meant was Isolationist viewpoint. Dalish was definitely not the One Word.
Except that's clearly not what he said anywhere. And I mean that quite literally.
Templars will have no more legal authority to separate from the Circle and the Chantry.
Just as they have every right to have a nice, slow, year-long slide into dementia.
Just as they have every right to have a nice, slow, year-long slide into dementia.
They should have every right to secede.
They joined and worked with the Chantry and then were casually and maliciously stabbed in the back.
And they should be free to leave if it ever happens again.
No, they shouldn't be. Like the mages, they have demonstrated why they cannot handle the responsibility of independence. They will have to be legally bound in service to the Chantry, the Lord Seeker stripped of the authority to detach the Order from this relationship.
No, they shouldn't be. Like the mages, they have demonstrated why they cannot handle the responsibility of independence. They will have to be legally bound in service to the Chantry, the Lord Seeker stripped of the authority to detach the Order from this relationship.
yes very stunted magi lol * playful shoulder nudge*What do you think they are?
Mages?
What do you think they are?
Mages?
They have their similarities, and thus they need to be properly leashed.
No, they shouldn't be. Like the mages, they have demonstrated why they cannot handle the responsibility of independence. They will have to be legally bound in service to the Chantry, the Lord Seeker stripped of the authority to detach the Order from this relationship.
Templars don't attract demons.
I'm usually pro mage, but with restrictions. It isn't fair that they aren't allowed a normal family life, confined to a tower and under constant threat of being a suspected blood mage. However, I also understand that having someone with the ability to Inferno a village down can cause the average Thedasian to be a little on edge.
I think an educational system based on compromise would be best for all. Mages are allowed to leave the tower and have a normal life, but Phylacteries are kept and Templar out posts increase (2-3 Templars in every village sort of level). In fact, I kinda thought this in DA2, why not just merge the Guards and Templars? Like, I haven't really kept up on lore of DA Templars much, but Alistair says he never consumes any Lyrium, so why not have one 'buff' Templar who does drink Lyrium and all the regular Guards taught how to handle dangerous mages without consumption.
But I'll also throw it out there, I don't think this is a choice we, the players, will get to make. I think Bioware are slowly realizing and understanding that with platforms like DA, the world will simply grow too big. They need some consistant worlds to base new stories around, and they can't make any form of a story (without creating loopholes) when each player has a unique world, such as player A having total mage freedom and player B having even harsher circles and player C having a medium between the two. Just saying, I feel like this will be a predefined choice for the player, and I reckon it'll go back to the current status quo by the end of DA:I.
Templars don't attract demons.
Ok. Doesn't really change or affect anything in the post you quoted, however.
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