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[Xilizhra]

Not really necessary. I don't know the detail, but I know enough. If a person with scizophrenia cannot discern between imagination and reality, then you need to contain him, until either treatment can be administered, or that he dies. Otherwise he would be a danger to himself and everyone around him. Simple as that.

 

Now granted mages are not mentally ill (usually anyway). Howeer it is not really the mages that are the issue either. It is the demons. So until a mage is 100% free from the risk of possession, he must be contained. Sadly there is no way to achieve 100%.

So you are, for the record, against the Circle's policy of letting anyone at all live outside it if they suck up to the templars enough?

[MisterJB]

All of these "let's hug mages" are very touching but I believe will stick with logic and rationality, thank you very much.

If there is someone who can make he eat my own eyeballs by controlling my blood and that is if we're lucky and he doesn't end up being a meatsuit for chaotic evil entities from another plane, I will feel much safer if said person is thousands of miles away, in an island, on a prison and with guards just down the hall; not in the neighboring house and with nothing but his own conscience keeping him from using his magic and the nearest Templar is, with luck, an hour away.

[raging_monkey]

All of these "let's hug mages" are very touching but I believe will stick with logic and rationality, thank you very much.
If there is someone who can make he eat my own eyeballs by controlling my blood and that is if we're lucky and he doesn't end up being a meatsuit for chaotic evil entities from another plane, I will feel much safer if said person is thousands of miles away, in an island, on a prison and with guards just down the hall; not in the neighboring house and with nothing but his own conscience keeping him from using his magic and the nearest Templar is, with luck, an hour away.

i have a isolationist idea ive been toying with lol.. it does involve a island

[Br3admax]

It won't work. For a lot of reasons. 

[raging_monkey]

It won't work. For a lot of reasons.

i said it was a idea... nothing about its success rate. But who know im not writing da lol

[KainD]

i have a isolationist idea ive been toying with lol.. it does involve a island

 

Will never work. Space is limited and sooner or latter cultures and countries are bound to collide. 

[raging_monkey]

Will never work. Space is limited and sooner or latter cultures and countries are bound to collide.

see above lol

[Mimilette]

All of these "let's hug mages" are very touching but I believe will stick with logic and rationality, thank you very much.

If there is someone who can make he eat my own eyeballs by controlling my blood and that is if we're lucky and he doesn't end up being a meatsuit for chaotic evil entities from another plane, I will feel much safer if said person is thousands of miles away, in an island, on a prison and with guards just down the hall; not in the neighboring house and with nothing but his own conscience keeping him from using his magic and the nearest Templar is, with luck, an hour away.

 

You do realize that your non magical neighbor can decide to kill or torture you anytime and that the only thing that prevents him/her to do so is his/her conscience, right? You won't be any less dead, or suffer any less.

 

As for logic and rationality, I find your statement quite arrogant. Many people are making sound arguments on both sides, especially since there is no "logical" answer to this, only different perspectives, and fearing one's neighbor for what he might do seems pretty far from a cool headed reflexion.

[TTTX]

Hey raging_monkey, want some popcorn?

Nothing like eating some popcorn (or chocolate in my case) and watch a flame war.

[KingTony]

Nothing like eating some popcorn (or chocolate in my case) and watch a flame war.

Here, you have some too then.

[MisterJB]

Well they are an illegal association, so not trusting them seems wise. But the question here is not whether they're outlaws or not, since they clearly are. What I question is the Chantry and Templars statement that left to themselves, mages are bound to bring great destruction, that they are so powerful they cannot be contained. I'm just observing that somehow outlaw mages are managing to not set people randomly on fire, to not become spontaneous abominations, to not kill tens of people. And this is happening in an illegal, unsupervised environment. They do commit crimes, but they are no more horrible than their mundane counterpart.

We have no concrete numbers both on the members of the Collective or that of how many magical accidents are caused, precisely because of their actions. Thus, we can only have a perception of them by their methods.

Some of the requests are highly suspicious and their "policing system" relies entirely on luck.

For instance, there is a quest where we are supposed to check on an apprentice that has failed to contact its master. When we reach him, he's an Abomination.

Has that Abomination killed already? If it hasn't, then that was only possible through tremendous luck. What if no one had take the request? What if someone less skilled than the Warden did and was killed?

Had that apprentice been in a Circle, none of that would have happened. Even if he became possessed, he would be surrounded by an army of Templars and away from potential victims.

[Br3admax]

You do realize that your non magical neighbor can decide to kill or torture you anytime and that the only thing that prevent him/her to do so is his/her conscience, right? You won't be any less dead, or suffer any less.

The chances of them succeeding is microscopic in comparison. Don't act like it's even comparable. His conscious and my foot to his face can all stop him. 

 

As for logic and rationality, I find your statement quite arrogant. Many people are making sound arguments on both sides, especially since there is no "logical" answer to this, only different perspectives, and fearing one's neighbor for what he might do seems pretty far from a cool headed reflexion.

 

lol I haven't seen a single bit of logos from the mage way of thinking. Ethos, maybe, but not logos. Not from anyone that isn't trying to do everything you say mages won't anyway. 

[raging_monkey]

Here, you have some too then.

Nothing like eating some popcorn (or chocolate in my case) and watch a flame war.

poured gasoline and tossed my lighter into it and its beautiful lol

[MisterJB]

At least, after DAI, we can no longer claim we don't know what would happen if we freed the mages.

Chaos, murder, etc. They've had their chance and they blew it.

[Tevinter Soldier]

All of these "let's hug mages" are very touching but I believe will stick with logic and rationality, thank you very much.

If there is someone who can make he eat my own eyeballs by controlling my blood and that is if we're lucky and he doesn't end up being a meatsuit for chaotic evil entities from another plane, I will feel much safer if said person is thousands of miles away, in an island, on a prison and with guards just down the hall; not in the neighboring house and with nothing but his own conscience keeping him from using his magic and the nearest Templar is, with luck, an hour away.

 

So tell me, you have some teenager in your neighbourhood, going through puberty suddenly learns he/she is capable of this stuff. all they want is to live a normal life hang out with their friends nd family and do normal kid stuff.

 

which is most likely to result in things going to ****.

 

A) have other people like her/him educate him/her train her/him and assists him/her through this so they can control things and live a normal happy life.

or

said teenager being terrified of what they can do, worried about being a social outcast and worried about neighbours dobbing in so some police force of junkies can haul him/her off to prison for the rest of their life and with absolutely nobody to talk to about it because of that................................... and while all of this is going on in addition to all the normal emotional issues with going through puberty... there's a demonic voice that speaks to them, it becomes literally the only thing in the world that could possibly understand them.

[TTTX]

Here, you have some too then.

thank you.

 

 

poured gasoline and tossed my lighter into it and its beautiful lol

*pulls out a stick with a marshmallow on and starts singing terrible campfire songs.*

 

might as well make a trip of it.

[Tevinter Soldier]

At least, after DAI, we can no longer claim we don't know what would happen if we freed the mages.

Chaos, murder, etc. They've had their chance and they blew it.

 

yes nothing says freedom like being hunted down by junkies.

[EmissaryofLies]

The chances of them succeeding is microscopic in comparison. Don't act like it's even comparable. His conscious and my foot to his face can all stop him. 

 

 

Bandits, assassins, and psychopaths will wiggle and shake in fear of your "foot", I'm sure.

[KingTony]

thank you.


*pulls out a stick with a marshmallow on and starts singing terrible campfire songs.*

might as well make a trip of it.

I got a chocolate bar and some graham crackers. Smores, anyone?

[EmissaryofLies]

I got a chocolate bar and some graham crackers. Smores, anyone?

 

Pff, I got nutella, motherf*cker.

 

Two jars, and the bidding starts at 1 usd.

[Br3admax]

  

Bandits, assassins, and psychopaths will wiggle and shake in fear of your "foot", I'm sure.

 

Bandits don't live next door to me, and even if they did guards would be there. Assassins don't think most people are important enough. And psychopaths can be dealt with as much as anyone else. Controversially, there is no way for a single mundane that isn't a Templar to deal with any mage. 

[MisterJB]

As for logic and rationality, I find your statement quite arrogant. Many people are making sound arguments on both sides, especially since there is no "logical" answer to this, only different perspectives, and fearing one's neighbor for what he might do seems pretty far from a cool headed reflexion.

 

I'm sorry you feel that way but that which is more logic can  objectively as opposed to that which is more moral which is more open to interpretation.I

If, for instance, I am trapped in a car under rubble with someone else, it is only logical that I kill that person so I have more air for myself and thus a greater chance of survival. Is it the right thing to do? Probably not. But it is logical like fearing everyone but yourself is because you can not know the minds of anyone but yourself. The lengths to which you go to achieve this can, however, be illogical such as, for instance, killing everyone who is not you.

 

Anyway. some pro-mages have presented sound and logical arguments against the Circle system. For instance whether it is beneficial to the mental health of mages which probably plays an important role I fending off demons.

However there hasn't been much of that in the previous pages. Mostly ts' "appeals to humanity" which are illogical.
 

[MisterJB]

You do realize that your non magical neighbor can decide to kill or torture you anytime and that the only thing that prevents him/her to do so is his/her conscience, right? You won't be any less dead, or suffer any less.

I would have a better chance of defending myself as opposed to say, against someone who can control my blood. And a non-magical neighbor couldn't destroy a town like Connor can.

And, as crude s it may sound, it's not feasible to have everyone but myself imprisoned so that I can feel safe; therefore, we seek ther ways of protecting ourselves. It I, however, feasible to do it to mages because Thedosians have been doing it for nearly 900 years.

 

 

 

[TTTX]

At least, after DAI, we can no longer claim we don't know what would happen if we freed the mages.

Chaos, murder, etc. They've had their chance and they blew it.

Talking about the Hinderlands right?

 

I hate to burst that bobble of yours, but most of the Mage and Templar leaders are dead and at that point, because of a big magical explosion, being a mage can get you kill from everyone, that's why there are chaos after all the Templars are not much better at that point, forcing people out of their supplies, killing people for holding anything that looks like a staff, taking items that might be magical of corpses, etc.

[raging_monkey]

thank you.
 
 

*pulls out a stick with a marshmallow on and starts singing terrible campfire songs.*
 
might as well make a trip of it.

yup

I got a chocolate bar and some graham crackers. Smores, anyone?

yes please lol

Pff, I got nutella, motherf*cker.
 
Two jars, and the bidding starts at 1 usd.

dont be stingy lol like hazel too lol