Summoned a demon, Kirkwall, Kirkwall, summoned a demon. Something more if possible.
I cannot, regrettably, check the Last Flight example myself, as I don't own the book. And mages are certainly potential gateways to demons, but I've never once seen anything that ever justified forced Tranquility.
Again, the fade weakens naturally at night. To the point where even people without magic enter the fade, even if they're unable to remain lucid there (mages do, as we learn when Wynne tells us she was aware in the Fade when she explains her spirit to us). A demon doesn't even have to be summoned to the physical realm to possess a mage. In fact an abomination is often the opposite, the demon is in the fade but controls the mage's soul like a puppet.
So before we continue, I'd like to ask: What do you consider a 'summoned' demon?
My point was mostly about Tranquility.
Yes, and given that the keepers we've seen have a terrible track record of keeping their clans safe with magic so far, they're a bad example to use.
Then that's where we just disagree then. I think it's worth trying before deciding that no better solutions can be found, and for this risks have to be taken. The fact of the matters is, as long as no one tries, no one knows whether it can work or not.
As you say, a police force is required to watch over the mages, but I've never said there shouldn't be a counter-power to mages, and most people I think agree there is need for one. I just don't think it has to be a religious order, and I don't think mages need to be in prison by default.
The criminals you're talking about are, from my point of view, another good example that mages, even criminals ones, are not really any more dangerous than other criminals. I mean many of them work for mundanes, not even themselves (though to be honest I'm not sure I remember exactly all the quests. There might have been in fact great mayhem and in that case, I stand corrected). They're so discreet the templars don't catch them, and it's other mages that actually ask you to bring them swift justice. Anyhow, it does not seem that the common people are that much concerned by what happens between outlaws.
The example of Rivain, or even the Dalish, is also interesting. Societies can function with mages, their people seem to think the risks, and the accidents too, are worth it.
Personally, I just think it's a waste to not try to use that power for good things and trying to make the life of the common folks (mundane and magical) better, instead of fearing it.
I am all for experimenting with new things, but if the mages don't even have a concrete plan of what to do after the war's end, there is nothing to experiment with at all. That Rivain and the Dalish have accepted the risks of mages practising free magic does not make it a good solution. Nor one the population of the rest of Thedas would agree with.
I agree that magic is a power that shouldn't be wasted, but I want to know which of the two sides has a better plan to handle the risks that come with it. So far, we've heard not much of their future plans, but the Hinterlands has shown that merely giving mages freedom carries with it as much risk as it does reward.
Maybe. The trick with red lyrium is that it doesn't take much to have an effect on people(see Varric Tethras' loyalty quest "Haunted"). So in essence it would not be hard to hide. The Red Lyrium threat may have an end, but it likely won't come for a very long time, especially if the "mage problem" as they see it, continues.
The circle system certainly helped to prevent abominations. But at this point you can argue whether the circles did more harm than good. You have Rivaini seers, hedge mages, and other magic users who have not and will not become abominations. All without the circle. And then you have your annulments, rebellions; entire factions dedicated to destroying what they see as their slavery due to their time spent in the circle system.
It isn't a risk to take lightly, agreed. But how this risk is handled is the core of the "mage problem".
Except the Rivaini do have a problem with abominations. The fact that they have accepted this as part of the risks life does not change the problem, and makes it a solution that may work for them, but won't work for the rest of Thedas.
Red lyrium is a problem and a risk, yes. But the answer to combat it is simple: Outlaw its use, imprison the users and destroy any samples found.
Our current situation has shown us we can't apply the same solution to magic.
I'll almost certainly have to bring them up in this thread, but the short version is that I would allow the Circle system to exist under the Chantry's auspices if mages got fair representation within the Chantry's government, able to take any official position within the Chantry. And if templars for individual Circles work for those Circles directly, with the Chantry's police representatives being the Seekers. And if we ban Annulment, make the Harrowing safer, and remove involuntary Tranquility.
Lambert was a templar who became leader of the seekers and templars at the same time and managed to turn everything to hell as there was nobody policing the templars anymore. He is an excellent example of why the police should not be under the command of those they should police in the first place.
Sure you can, but you're rolling the dice either way and you may just lose. You can also kill a mage; you don't have to let a mage kill you. You can resist blood magic if you are aware of it and what it can do, see Hawke. See Litany of Adralla. See knowing your way around a fight.
Hawke can only resist the blood magic if he is a mage or a templar, if I recall.
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