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#1176
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Dev's words > yours. Also, Mages and Templars, aren't primary factions for anything besides Dragon Age 2. It's going to end soon. 

The conflict between mages and none mages will continue, no matter the outcome in DA:I and will most like be at the very least mentioned in all future DA games. Simple because it's a big issue in the world of DA and there is no solution to it.


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The person in question asked about the Mage-Templar War, not the conflicts of life. 



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The immediate conflict will end in Inquisition. The long-term mage/rest of the world conflict will flame up again in due time.

 

I think this is going to be part of those "many small variants of endings" bioware has mentioned. Say you side with the templars: it's possible this will lead to various ways to deal with the mages. Either you rebuild the towers and try to reinstate the Circles with some compromise, or you take a full-blown "purge all mages" approach.

 

Or so I hope.


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#1179
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If they do end the mage vs templar/chantry then I hope they actually stick with an actual change. Not forcing things to go back to the way they were before...SOMETHING should be different. Otherwise it is going to feel like nothing you did to solve it in inquisition mattered. So yeah the ending better be good.



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Will someone define "Mage/Templar Conflict end" please?



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Will someone define "Mage/Templar Conflict end" please?

most likly one side dominates the other

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i think we would have more neutral ending of this war so no matter what we decide and support does not really be different from other in the next game

 

we will not see Orlais and Ferelden and i do not think that templars will execute and return lefted rebel mages in circles...and we would not destroy all templars in thedas

 

so all "mage war" would affect only ferelden and orlais..and we have neutral ending what would not be so different no matter what side do we choose

 

in the next game it would be mentioned in more neutral way with some + to rebel mages or templars

 

the same i believe would be with elfs and dales what i think they will return in the end but with more casuales and not recognition of those what was lefted from Orlais empire



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most likly one side dominates the other

 

It just doesn't make sense to me; with genetics and religious fanaticism playing central roles, ending this conflict will be akin to ending racism.

 

At best, ending this conflict means that another will take center stage while mages and templars continue to quarrel in the background.



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It just doesn't make sense to me; with genetics and religious fanaticism playing central roles, ending this conflict will be akin to ending racism.
 
At best, ending this conflict means that another will take center stage while mages and templars continue to quarrel in the background.

it either ends in mundane suptemacy or mage autonomy **** will never change my friend

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Will someone define "Mage/Templar Conflict end" please?

Reform or less reform. That's the only way any more Dragon Age games will come about. 



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Kill all mages conflict is done then kill all mages again and repeat.



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Nothing like a good old fashion purge to settle things once and for all. 



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it either ends in mundane suptemacy or mage autonomy **** will never change my friend

 

I do not see it ending any time soon, if that's the case.

 

The stance that the Inquisitor takes will shape the war irrevocably. 



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I do not see it ending any time soon, if that's the case.
 
The stance that the Inquisitor takes will shape the war irrevocably.

maybe

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Too bad there are no Walmarts around Thedas as then tranquility wouldn't seem so harsh and out of the ordinary.

 

Little of good has come from magic, though much devastation has.

I side with the often defenseless non-magic users and their life, liberty and freedom.

With their connection to the fade, a mage is guilty until proven innocent.

I believe in the greater good even at the cost of an innocent.

 

That said, If a mage fights against demons, blood magic rituals and so on, they should be allowed to pursue a life doing good -- perhaps with continued evaluation or oversight but not imprisonment which does nothing.

 

With no compromise, I would support the Templars (as long as they didn't have red lyrium).



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Too bad there are no Walmarts around Thedas as then tranquility wouldn't seem so harsh and out of the ordinary.
 
Little of good has come from magic, though much devastation has.
I side with the often defenseless non-magic users and their life, liberty and freedom.
With their connection to the fade, a mage is guilty until proven innocent.
I believe in the greater good even at the cost of an innocent.
 
That said, If a mage fights against demons, blood magic rituals and so on, they should be allowed to pursue a life doing good -- perhaps with continued evaluation or oversight but not imprisonment which does nothing.
 
With no compromise, I would support the Templars (as long as they didn't have red lyrium).

I think mages should be free but, the Templars and other mages known too be in good standing should work together to police them.

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ahh the new powerful red lyrium templars  will destroy all the mages of the world, we will have 4000 new Meredith in Inquisition ahhh. sigh my beloved Meredith............. 

Mage in cage this is my only compromise, the chantry is too kind with you mages, but now is the moment of the hard measure Inquisition, seekers, red templars and and the angry folk of thedas and demons......



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I used to work at Wal-Mart...

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Small world. I shopped at a Wal-Mart once. 


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If mages and templars are equally powerful regarding the manipulation of magic, then what difference is left between them? Defend one side and you're not defending the end of the tyranny of magic. You're just replacing one with another.

 

(Judging by Cullen's allegation that templars could provide as much power to the Inquisitor's mark as mages)


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If mages and templars are equally powerful regarding the manipulation of magic, then what difference is left between them?


One cannot sunder a persons mind?

Kill people with the arcane?

Become abominatioms?

See! Lots of differences.
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blessed are those who have invented the rite to make a mage tranquil.

 

mmm i would like to see Flemeth as a Tranquil then we will see if she want laugh anymore



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If mages and templars are equally powerful regarding the manipulation of magic, then what difference is left between them? Defend one side and you're not defending the end of the tyranny of magic. You're just replacing one with another.
 
(Judging by Cullen's allegation that templars could provide as much power to the Inquisitor's mark as mages)

at this point does it matter? Of templars win the circles will be what magi fear, if the magi win it can go eitherway.

Tyranny comes in many forms
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Still being a templar is its own brand of slavery. They are heavily dependent on lyrium. Can you imagine a drug that you are required to take and if you don't take it you become a lyrium addled simpleton, either the one who has little cognitive function or the kind where everyday you are haunted by nightmares and psychological terrors unless you take your dosage of lyrium. In a way, one becomes a slave to one's lyrium supplier. Now imagine this being the case for a soldier. Drug cartels could issue ultimatums like kill so and so or go crazy. When one is a junky, one is but a tool of their supplier. I pity the templar characters like Evangeline or thrask who have compassion for their charges, who think they can change the system from the inside. Yet it is impossible as unless they sacrifice their sanity for the sake of their convictions, they are slaves to the whims of their lyrium suppliers. A junky is an easy prey for abuse.


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Still being a templar is its own brand of slavery. They are heavily dependent on lyrium. Can you imagine a drug that you are required to take and if you don't take it you become a lyrium addled simpleton, either the one who has little cognitive function or the kind where everyday you are haunted by nightmares and psychological terrors unless you take your dosage of lyrium. In a way, one becomes a slave to one's lyrium supplier. Now imagine this being the case for a soldier. Drug cartels could issue ultimatums like kill so and so or go crazy. When one is a junky, one is but a tool of their supplier. I pity the templar characters like Evangeline or thrask who have compassion for their charges, who think they can change the system from the inside. Yet it is impossible as unless they sacrifice their sanity for the sake of their convictions, they are slaves to the whims of their lyrium suppliers.

the templar made their choice they must live with no matter how "noble" the goal. As flemeth and anders said... there can be no peace