You deny us our freedom so that you may sleep better at night, but I say it is a restless and undeserved slumber.
Right. I'm going to walk away; back to the city. Maybe leave it for a while. That's something called "freedom of movement".
You wouldn't know of it, I'm sure.
One thing that pisses me off about all dragon age games and i hope its fixed in DAI.
You can never have a middle ground in mages vs templars.....
I see points to both sides and no side is correct there truth and what i believe is in middle both sides are the extreme.
One thing that pisses me off about all dragon age games and i hope its fixed in DAI.
You can never have a middle ground in mages vs templars.....
I see points to both sides and no side is correct there truth and what i believe is in middle both sides are the extreme.
YOU can have a middle ground, people that you deal with can't.
Don't forget maleficars, we need the best!
Might wipe them out tbh. Could be good for pr and give the reds a bit more breathing room.
I really want Andrastians to see the bucketheaded apes as they truly are; interference from anyone, at least for a little while, works against my interests when it concerns red templars.
YOU can have a middle ground, people that you deal with can't.
Yea i know it sucks but makes sense. I just witch you could because i dont hate or agree with any of them.
I usually end up on side of the mages since i rather mages be killed and you have all these mages you love as your companions so its natural u side with the mages.
If bioware wanted more people to side with templars they would make an actual templar companion that is not a whinny like Alistar and actually had a templar companion in DA2 and DAI but its all mages which will make people side with mages more likely since we dont have a good templar to relate with.
Right. I'm going to walk away; back to the city. Maybe leave it for a while. That's something called "freedom of movement".
You wouldn't know of it, I'm sure.
pity the templars couldn't swallow their pride and do the same.
*takes a drag of a smoking pipe* Well Lads and Lasses, Mages are the door to the fade and are quite possibly the most dangerous thing on Thedas, with the power for whole cities to burn at their whim, Templars are amongst the only people with the ability to counter act the city burning ability? *Weights options* Left to Their own Devices Mages simply become Tevinter again, and the freedom of all people Andraste gave her life for is worthless, on the Other Hand the Templars Could be more relax, but with how the Harrowings go, any mage who Fails becomes a demon, and gets cut down mercilessly and people gripe about it. AND mages left outside of the tower dont have that safety of a templar nearby if they DO succumb. *Weights again* Templars need to Chill out and become lax?, Or Mages need to realize their F**king dangerous and need the Bucket heads? You choose.
*takes a drag of a smoking pipe* Well Lads and Lasses, Mages are the door to the fade and are quite possibly the most dangerous thing on Thedas, with the power for whole cities to burn at their whim, Templars are amongst the only people with the ability to counter act the city burning ability? *Weights options* Left to Their own Devices Mages simply become Tevinter again, and the freedom of all people Andraste gave her life for is worthless, on the Other Hand the Templars Could be more relax, but with how the Harrowings go, any mage who Fails becomes a demon, and gets cut down mercilessly and people gripe about it. AND mages left outside of the tower dont have that safety of a templar nearby if they DO succumb. *Weights again* Templars need to Chill out and become lax?, Or Mages need to realize their F**king dangerous and need the Bucket heads? You choose.
Both
You know i have been active in these discussions involving Dragon Age's circle system and treatment of Magi for nearly five years on this and other forums.
In that time i have gone from a moderately pro circle rights supporter to my current extreme templar support spectrum of belief.
The Mage question has plagued forums for years.
To me there is but one solution to prevent chaos and destruction.
Total Segregation, total separation.
The circles as they existed actually allowed non magi and Chantry affiliated personal into their boundaries; This led to the problems.
Foreign nobility, Heads of State, people of actual importance in the world merely reminded the mages of the world outside of their prisons, to that? I say resoundingly no. No more; The Circles will exist as they did under the dominion of the Chantry, but within the bounds of the circle, the laws of the state cease, the Circles should be granted to the Chantry as autonomous papal states.
Those of Mage blood and ability shall be taken into these zones and put within the circle; those possessing magical ability shall be treated as magi are; put to the betterment of Chantry and State; providing services in so far as Enchantment and military assistance for Chantry sponsored militant action. Those of non magi but of mage bearing families; including but not limited to Parents, siblings and cousins of second or greater distance shall be taken into the autonomous zones as well.
They shall provide the labor that shall keep the circles isolated; Craftsmen, Masons, Farmers, Archivists, shall be taken from this raw material of magry and from it shall arise a system that is no longer reliant upon Chantry resources for near the entirety of its funding. From this system shall arise the birthplace of a new order, a new stability, one for the betterment of all.
Those who prove aptitude in more physical or militant matters shall also be taken into consideration for Chantry Templars, Obviously it would be for the best if eventually these zones could provide the entirety of their own Templar forces; But from the occurrence in Rivain that is only going to lead to the local Templars abandoning their duty for their countrymen, so in place of local forces, an international Chantry militant body of Templars shall be formed to made up to police these circles, Based all across Thedas on gifted lands.
Given that the Nobility tithe to the Chantry and they have received lands from Heads of State before; it should be no matter to request the additional territory to construct the bases, supply routes and training grounds that shall a force shall require, and through this formation of force and segregation shall Thedas know peace.
The Mages shall be treated as their station requires; And the Chantry will provide the forces that ward over the dangers that erupt from magic, in combination with a rampant militarization effort of course.
huh its a more elaborate variant of my isolationist proposal.. i like actually not too liberal, not too conservative.You know i have been active in these discussions involving Dragon Age's circle system and treatment of Magi for nearly five years on this and other forums. In that time i have gone from a moderately pro circle rights supporter to my current extreme templar support spectrum of belief. The Mage question has plagued forums for years. To me there is but one solution to prevent chaos and destruction. Total Segregation, total separation. The circles as they existed actually allowed non magi and Chantry affiliated personal into their boundaries; This led to the problems. Foreign nobility, Heads of State, people of actual importance in the world merely reminded the mages of the world outside of their prisons, to that? I say resoundingly no. No more; The Circles will exist as they did under the dominion of the Chantry, but within the bounds of the circle, the laws of the state cease, the Circles should be granted to the Chantry as autonomous papal states. Those of Mage blood and ability shall be taken into these zones and put within the circle; those possessing magical ability shall be treated as magi are; put to the betterment of Chantry and State; providing services in so far as Enchantment and military assistance for Chantry sponsored militant action. Those of non magi but of mage bearing families; including but not limited to Parents, siblings and cousins of second or greater distance shall be taken into the autonomous zones as well. They shall provide the labor that shall keep the circles isolated; Craftsmen, Masons, Farmers, Archivists, shall be taken from this raw material of magry and from it shall arise a system that is no longer reliant upon Chantry resources for near the entirety of its funding. From this system shall arise the birthplace of a new order, a new stability, one for the betterment of all. Those who prove aptitude in more physical or militant matters shall also be taken into consideration for Chantry Templars, Obviously it would be for the best if eventually these zones could provide the entirety of their own Templar forces; But from the occurrence in Rivain that is only going to lead to the local Templars abandoning their duty for their countrymen, so in place of local forces, an international Chantry militant body of Templars shall be formed to made up to police these circles, Based all across Thedas on gifted lands. Given that the Nobility tithe to the Chantry and they have received lands from Heads of State before; it should be no matter to request the additional territory to construct the bases, supply routes and training grounds that shall a force shall require, and through this formation of force and segregation shall Thedas know peace. The Mages shall be treated as their station requires; And the Chantry will provide the forces that ward over the dangers that erupt from magic, in combination with a rampant militarization effort of course.
huh its a more elaborate variant of my isolationist proposal.. i like actually not too liberal, not too conservative.
Question: who deciedes head of state and how far does chantry influence go
Q2: the goal is to create a community of mundanes and magi how is crime handled is it templar discretion or is there something similar to our court system
Q3: whats a papal state (history geek inside is curious
The Chantry influence is absolute: Their military, their money, their land.
As for the matter of local leadership; The acting Knight Commander will be in command of the local garrison, duty and labor forces while the First Enchanter of the circle acts as the spokesmen of the mages to the local and international authorities.
Crime? Templar authority will extend to keeping Chantry and Circle law present throughout the zone.
Beyond that court will be under military discretion and tribunal; in this case Chantry and Templar.
Papal states is a term referring to the territory under the Pope from a period extending to the early 8th century to the late 18th century. These zones would be under the Divine and Chantry and thus i thought the term apt.
would the autothoritarian like leadership chafe the mundanes? Magi are somewhat used to it but mundanes would revolt wouldnt they?.The Chantry influence is absolute: Their military, their money, their land.
As for the matter of local leadership; The acting Knight Commander will be in command of the local garrison, duty and labor forces while the First Enchanter of the circle acts as the spokesmen of the mages to the local and international authorities.
Crime? Templar authority will extend to keeping Chantry and Circle law present throughout the zone.
Beyond that court will be under military discretion and tribunal; in this case Chantry and Templar.
Papal states is a term referring to the territory under the Pope from a period extending to the early 8th century to the late 18th century. These zones would be under the Divine and Chantry and thus i thought the term apt.
would the autothoritarian like leadership chafe the mundanes? Magi are somewhat used to it but mundanes would revolt wouldnt they?.
Hardly.
Remember the world.
These people are taken into the armies of Monarchs they never meet, these people pay taxes to nobles they have no hope of ever complaining to personally.
These people are cut down in the streets if a local lord even suspects sedition.
This is Feudal Era Mentality.
Which makes me wonder just where the **** did these notions of "freedom" and crap come from, it doesn't exist in their world anyway...
Reasons and cause the writers say so lolHardly.
Remember the world.
These people are taken into the armies of Monarchs they never meet, these people pay taxes to nobles they have no hope of ever complaining to personally.
These people are cut down in the streets if a local lord even suspects sedition.
This is Feudal Era Mentality.
Which makes me wonder just where the **** did these notions of "freedom" and crap come from, it doesn't exist in their world anyway...
Hardly.
Remember the world.
These people are taken into the armies of Monarchs they never meet, these people pay taxes to nobles they have no hope of ever complaining to personally.
These people are cut down in the streets if a local lord even suspects sedition.
This is Feudal Era Mentality.
Which makes me wonder just where the **** did these notions of "freedom" and crap come from, it doesn't exist in their world anyway...
This only applies to orlais when it comes to the feudal age. But this **** wont work in either fereldan or the free marches. They have to powerful a middle class. English kings not could ****** of the yeomen no Italian doge could ****** of the italian militias or merchants.
But this **** wont work in either fereldan or the free marches.
Soldiers are conscripted in Fereldan.
"Freemen" are still subservient to their local lords.
Also in Fereldan you still have local lords having immense power; its only unique in that its Kingdom isn't an absolute Monarchy.
The Free Marches are more or less the same beyond that the titles are different.
Soldiers are conscripted in Fereldan.
"Freemen" are still subservient to their local lords.
Also in Fereldan you still have local lords having immense power; its only unique in that its Kingdom isn't an absolute Monarchy.
The Free Marches are more or less the same beyond that the titles are different.
Fereldan is still an absolute monarchy. Thats just how feudal systems work with individual lords owning land and in turn pledging their armies to the king. Things like nationhood as we know it didnt really exist yet.
Fereldan is still an absolute monarchy.
Individual lords didn't have the authority to enforce their own laws in absolute monarchy, in that system the only law is royal law.
In Fereldan however that isn't the case.
Well Cassandra's companion quest was on a stream and the end of the quest gave us some interesting options and revealed how Seekers gain their powers:
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I like your idea, because it is a different idea but also because it opens up new conflicts and stories in the future. Plenty of conflicts and controversies from the middle ages that this idea could play part to. You have the whole Investiture conflicte, particularly in italy with the Guelphs and Ghibellines or the cluny reforms. Or in the renaissance era, how the papal states got mirred in conflicts in Italy.
All great fodder for story ideas 
Fereldan is still an absolute monarchy. Thats just how feudal systems work with individual lords owning land and in turn pledging their armies to the king. Things like nationhood as we know it didnt really exist yet.
uhm, no. Neither Fereldan nor any feudal monarchies are absolute monarchies. The whole concept of a feudal monarchy is a decentralized kingdom, The king may on paper have ultimate power, but by no means does he have it in practice. The nobles regularly in almost every kingdom that would be called 'feudal' held the powers, not the king. Hell the whole Magna Carta was started by barons and other nobles in Feudal england. That is just one example, the whole point of being a feudal monarchy was to be decentralized, while being an absolute monarchy is to be centralized.
Fereldan in particular is based off Anglo-Saxon England, absolute monarchy this was not. the most obvious proof is the Landsmeet, or for england the Witenagmot. Basically in both cases the King was elected by other nobles, almost always within the same bloodline but still elected. You can not call that aboslute monarchy.
Orlais might be an absolute monarchy, but I am not so sure. It is like france in the time of the french renaissance. So the transition period between feudal and absolute monarchy I would assume.
Give gunpowder to the Templars and the conflict ends.
Give gunpowder to the Templars and the conflict ends.
Except only the heathen oxmen have it and they will never give it.
Give gunpowder to the Templars and the conflict ends.
Gunpowder against people who shoot fireballs.
That could never go wrong.
Well, I'm back from my vacation, and I have a lot of catching up to do. 30 pages worth of reading.
Gunpowder against people who shoot fireballs.
That could never go wrong.
Gunpowder in ice and water....very effective right? (sarcasm)
Great for cannons and long shots, but once a mage gets close enough to use magic on it, the gunpowder becomes a weapon against its wielders.
Heck, early firearms were not very reliable and had a tendency to injure its users.
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