I'd probably be too pessimistic to bother siding with either faction.
Templars are oppressive, hypocritical and essentially are drug addicts in all but name.
Mages are dangerous with many forms of magic and vulnerable to possession by demons.
I'd be reasonably wary of both, especially with all of the chaos and death in the wake of the mage-templar war. Not to say that there isn't a possible middle ground that could be reached, but I doubt that either side wants one.
It would be better if the mother was allowed to keep the child for a few more years until it succumbed to posession and destroyed the whole village, wouldn't it?
It would be better if you would read what I said. The mother is the mage. You assumed that when i said she's a mage I was talking about the child however I never mentioned the child's gender. Once again when I say she's a mage I'm referring to the mother.
Pretty much which one that pisses me off the least
It would be better if you would read what I said. The mother is the mage. You assumed that when i said she's a mage I was talking about the child however I never mentioned the child's gender. Once again when I say she's a mage I'm referring to the mother.
I misunderstood, but that doesn't change the fact that my point remains. We've seen young and old fall at the drop of a hat.
We've seen far more named mages choose to die or endure long periods of suffering rather then become abominations then we've seen turn. If Cullen was being accurate about being the only templar left the mages did even better then the templars at resisting Uldrids torture. Wilhelm lived quite some time out of the circle, up to the point he was beaten to death, and never went abomination and even raised a family and the same can be said for Hawke.
I see no strength in your supposed point.
Where do you imagine I'm saying the mage mother should raise her child anyway? I don't recall giving a location.
Maybe the child is being raised in a village like Lothering, maybe a castle like Redcliffe. One falls as easily as the next.We've seen far more named mages choose to die or endure long periods of suffering rather then become abominations then we've seen turn. If Cullen was being accurate about being the only templar left the mages did even better then the templars at resisting Uldrids torture. Wilhelm lived quite some time out of the circle, up to the point he was beaten to death, and never went abomination and even raised a family and the same can be said for Hawke.
I see no strength in your supposed point.
Where do you imagine I'm saying the mage mother should raise her child anyway? I don't recall giving a location.
That kind of dehumanization is what partly caused this mess imo
I think there should be a middle ground between this templar vs mage war. it is a basic humanitarianism concept that the mages should not be locked up and treated as monsters. They have this innate ability to manipulate magic. Yes, they might be dangerous but so are the people welding weapons. And yes, they could become abominations. But before the mages do something wrong, they should be treated as normal human being. I am still thinking about a possible way to let the mages to embrace freedom and at the same time ensure others' safety. Maybe allowing the templars to collaberate with city guards so they can solve magic-related crimes quick?
anders was anders a symptom of the bigger issue that has no easy curePretty sure a terrorist named Anders caused it.
I hope Bioware doesn't give us a third happy-compromise on this issue. This war should be bloody and devastating on both sides, but there should be a clear winner.
anders was anders a symptom of the bigger issue that has no easy cure
I hope Bioware doesn't give us a third happy-compromise on this issue. This war should be bloody and devastating on both sides, but there should be a clear winner.
If there's no peaceful compromise option, I hope there's an option where you just wipe them both out so no one benefits from this wholly unnecessary bloodshed.
aha kill what you cant agree with... if anything anders was the one who freed us in a sense.. better a quick death than a slow one... templars and magi wanted this for years. There can be no peaceThere is medicine for Anders' disease. Comes in a pretty syringe like this:
Spoiler
If there's no peaceful compromise option, I hope there's an option where you just wipe them both out so no one benefits from this wholly unnecessary bloodshed.
Killing them both off seems a little too neat and clean.
aha kill what you cant agree with... if anything anders was the one who freed us in a sense.. better a quick death than a slow one... templars and magi wanted this for years. There can be no peace
Pretty sure a terrorist named Anders caused it.
I was so pissed off at that point in the plot by the lack of options. I really wanted to say something like:
''Ohoho, Anders nice one!''
But I couldn't. 
Killing them both off seems a little too neat and clean.
I want a clean option to be available. Not all of my Inquisitors will take it, but my main mage Inquisitor would want to do the most moral thing, which imo is peaceful compromise. If that's not an option, he wants to end this as cleanly as possible.
If neither option is available, I figure I'll be ending that playthrough and starting one that will actually be able to accept whatever options are available.
aha you are a funny one. Even if we will disagree you have my respectSimply take the syringe firmly in both hands, and stick the bad apostate until it stops wiggling. Repeat as necessary on a case-to-case basis.
Y'know, I was gonna argue with that, but then I noticed that the dog does in fact have the crazy eyes. So objection withdrawn.
Pretty sure a terrorist named Anders caused it.
Freedom Fighter, not terrorist.
aha kill what you cant agree with... if anything anders was the one who freed us in a sense.. better a quick death than a slow one... templars and magi wanted this for years. There can be no peace
You can tell by the mages writing Anders off as a madman and wanting nothing to do with him.
Don't join the Templars, they're the true villains. Altaïr fought them in the 1100s, Ezio Auditore De Ference fought them in the mid 1400s early 1500, Connor Kenaway and his grandfather fought them in the 1700s... No, no, no you must fight them, all they tell are lies. Nothing is true, everything is permitted. For our families, for our lovers, FOR THE BROTHERHOOD!!
....... Ok, I couldn't resist. But I'll probably fight with the mages.
If I lived in Thedas, I'd be 100% pro-mage freedom and nearly 100% anti-chantry. Basically, I'd be best buddies with Anders.
Nothing justifies what is done to mages in the world of Thedas. They are treated like less than human. Cullen even says as much. And from what we've seen from templars like Ser Karras and Ser Alrik, we know that some (not all) templars abuse mages to a sickening degree. Ser Alrik is clearly a rapist, and Ser Karras is a bloodthirsty sadist.
There are also the many indignities that mages have to suffer while living in the Circle. They have little to no privacy, something which most of us take for granted. They can't have open relationships with other mages (and obviously other people either since they are confined to the Circles), and if they do end up pregnant, their child is forcibly taken from them! That's not even mentioning their complete lack of freedom. How would you like to be locked up in a tower for the rest of your life for something you might never do? It reminds me of the movie Minority Report, where people are arrested and imprisoned for crimes they haven't even committed and may not even ever commit (as the movie later shows).
In the real world, we deal with criminals after they have already proved they are a criminal. We don't go locking up people that are at risk of being criminals, because that would be insane and inhumane! Why should it be any different in Thedas? But mages can become demons and do horrible things, you say? Well so can any madman with a gun or a bomb in our own world, but we still don't lock up people because they have risk factors for being a criminal (being abused as a child, having certain mental illnesses like bipolar disorder, etc).
You can probably tell I feel very strongly on this issue, which is funny, because it's not even real, but even though it is fictional the mages' plight has many real world analogies, like slavery.
I'm also anti-Qun for very similar reasons. They are even more sickeningly cruel in their treatment of mages, who, by the way, never had the choice to be mages. They are simply born thus...you know sort of how certain people were enslaved because of another attribute they had absolutely no control over.
I'll stop ranting now. lol. But I felt like I had to get that off my chest somewhere, and this was as good a thread as any to do it.
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