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[KainD]

 Ser Alrik is clearly a rapist

 

No, no, his a necrophil.. Or maybe a zoophil? Damn I am really not sure, what to make of those Tranquil.. but clearly not a rapist, they had no objections. 

[Panda]

Freedom Fighter, not terrorist.

 

You are pretty much terrorist if you blow up buildings with people inside of them. That's like basic terrorist stuff, blowing people up.

[KainD]

You are pretty much terrorist if you blow up buildings with people inside of them. That's like basic terrorist stuff, blowing people up.

 

Olol

[KaiserShep]

No, no, his a necrophil.. Or maybe a zoophil? Damn I am really not sure, what to make of those Tranquil.. but clearly not a rapist, they had no objections. 

 

But they do have objections to being forcibly rendered tranquil, despite there being no significant danger of possession to warrant it. In any case, I don't consider it to be a meaningful distinction. If the Templar sunders the mind of a mage and subsequently uses this situation to his advantage sexually, I would not consider this person to be any better than a rapist at all. In any case, my Hawke makes him dead as a doornail, so one less quasi-rapist to worry about.

[Adanu]

 

You are pretty much terrorist if you blow up buildings with people inside of them. That's like basic terrorist stuff, blowing people up.

Welcome to war.

[KainD]

But they do have objections to being forcibly rendered tranquil, despite there being no significant danger of possession to warrant it. In any case, I don't consider it to be a meaningful distinction. If the Templar sunders the mind of a mage and subsequently uses this situation to his advantage sexually, I would not consider this person to be any better than a rapist at all. In any case, my Hawke makes him dead as a doornail, so one less quasi-rapist to worry about.

 

The difference is killing vs raping. 

[Aimi]

OP: I've worked jobs that required hours and hours of standing. I'd prefer to sit.

[Panda]

Welcome to war.

 

One man vs church full of people without weapons hardly is war.

[dragonflight288]

If there's no peaceful compromise option, I hope there's an option where you just wipe them both out so no one benefits from this wholly unnecessary bloodshed.

 

Then let me ask this? Who would train the new mages being born every day on how to control their powers?

 

Even if we kill all of the current crop, more are being born. Kill all the experienced mages, and the new ones won't have any teachers, and will have to start from scratch, and with children being children, dangerous trial and errors and goof-ups, or simple horseplay. 

[Adanu]

One man vs church full of people without weapons hardly is war.

 

Anders considered everyone besides the Grand Cleric collateral damage, and I happen to agree with that assessment. That being said, they are still complicit in Mage oppression,by association so I have little sympathy.

 

The Grand Cleric herself was a target in a war.

[Tevinter Soldier]

I can see a lot of blind as hell mage supporters here.


Litereally every single Templar "atrocity" I can think of becomes justified if the player subverts that action. Hoe can people not see that?

 

you realise they are the oppressors you can lock people up murder rape and lobotomise them and expect them to not do anything in return.

theirs no justification for what templars do. every acroisty is just another nail in the coffin of a corrupt system. and then when you realise 97% of the inmates have never done anything wrong?

 

oh but they might, they might, they might, they might. you say, all so you can sleep easier. you know it's wrong, you say otherwise but deep down you know its wrong. 

[KainD]

 

you know it's wrong, you say otherwise but deep down you know its wrong. 

 

Nah, it's fine. Mages inslave mundanes, mundanes lock up and mistreat mage. Fair game. 

[KaiserShep]

The difference is killing vs raping. 

 

It makes no difference to me if he killed or raped. I would regard both actions worthy of death anyway.

[TheKomandorShepard]

you realise they are the oppressors you can lock people up murder rape and lobotomise them and expect them to not do anything in return.

theirs no justification for what templars do. every acroisty is just another nail in the coffin of a corrupt system. and then when you realise 97% of the inmates have never done anything wrong?

 

oh but they might, they might, they might, they might. you say, all so you can sleep easier. you know it's wrong, you say otherwise but deep down you know its wrong. 

LoL nothing in return good one except mages have most luxurious life standards in the setting while they don't have do anything and protection from peoples that would lynch them as it was before circles.In fact what mages did to deserve such nice treatment as far i remember they make only troubles by causing disasters that my characters later need to fix. 

I love how peoples talk about oppressors but we we have 2-4 examples of abusive templars in entire series but when someone points legions of mages that cause troubles pro-mages throw "not every mage is bad"...

[KainD]

It makes no difference to me if he killed or raped. I would regard both actions worthy of death anyway.

 

Yes, but that wasn't the original point. I was just being pedantic a-hole, because I was bored. xD 

[KaiserShep]

I prefer to be somewhere in the middle. Being totally anti-establishment sounds righteous and all, but that doesn't seem to really present any kind of answers itself. The current system was pretty f***ed, and I have no doubt that even if Timothy McMage didn't FedEx Elthina to the Maker, feces would've become reality at some point. Imprisonment is unsustainable, and magic can't be destroyed, so education is the only viable alternative for these backwater jackenapes.

[Panda]

Anders considered everyone besides the Grand Cleric collateral damage, and I happen to agree with that assessment. That being said, they are still complicit in Mage oppression,by association so I have little sympathy.

 

The Grand Cleric herself was a target in a war.

 

The problem here is that if everyone just decided suddenly who they are war in and justified their actions based on that, well no need for laws then. Every terrorist would just call themselves freedom fighters and society would be okay, they were just fighting for their rights ^^

 

There has to be some line somewhere and bombing building in middle of city with people that bear no arms inside (and on the streets too, it was hundreds of people who died after all) can't be freedom fighting. It's exactly what terrorist IRL do.

[Brelakor]

There was a really good book series I used to read (I think it was called The Magicians Guild by Trudy Canavan) which had a similar concept of mages and stuff - they couldn't be possessed but they could practice black magic (like blood magic)

Anyways, in the city it was set in there was kind of like a university or a Hogwarts where anyone found to have magical ability went to study how to not blow themselves up. They were still allowed to see their family and friends and I think they were given the choice whether or not to live on campus so long as they still attended their lessons and stuff. When they graduated they could do a variety of things like staying and studying magic or teaching or working as a healer in the clinics/hospitals set up in the city - even if they stayed they could still get married and have children and their partners/children were allowed to live with them at the campus I think. If they didn't want to hang around they could take a diplomat kind of position somewhere or just go live in some village healing farmers or do whatever they like I suppose so long as it wasn't illegal or black magic. Anyway that would kind of be my ideal situation if I lived in Thedas, maybe with a few more safe guards for if a mage goes rogue/possessed which they kind of didn't have in this book series (maybe like phylacteries or something, I don't know)


tl;dr - I think mage education should be manditory (so they don't blow themselves up), mages should have the same rights as non-mages and not be stigmatized, but there should also be some kind of safeguard system in case a mage goes crazy

[Tevinter Soldier]

Nah, it's fine. Mages inslave mundanes, mundanes lock up and mistreat mage. Fair game. 

 

no TEVINTER enslaves everybody just like arlathan had slaves just like almost every southern captial in thedas as slums full of elves that are horribly oppressed.

 

a mage in the circle generally has nothing to do with Tevinter, Tevinter is a society mages may run it but that's a cultural attachment to slavery that the nation has. not Mages. you really think the sporatti class don't have slaves?

 

Mages are people, your now using another countries culture to justify the crimes you've committed against your own people.

because of your innate fear of them.

 

that fear is based on what they COULD do, Not based on what they have done.

politics of cowards which also why the mages are imprisoned and then horribly mistreated in those prison's, Put a coward in charge of shackled man and he'll always mistreat them because he can do things he'd never dare otherwise.

[Tevinter Soldier]

LoL nothing in return good one except mages have most luxurious life standards in the setting while they don't have do anything and protection from peoples that would lynch them as it was before circles.In fact what mages did to deserve such nice treatment as far i remember they make only troubles by causing disasters that my characters later need to fix. 

I love how peoples talk about oppressors but we we have 2-4 examples of abusive templars in entire series but when someone points legions of mages that cause troubles pro-mages throw "not every mage is bad"...

 

you do know what systematic oppression is yes?

[oUoEnemies]

It's a situation that causes alot of questions. The mages are being oppressed and the Templars are holding them against their wills but the Templars are right to protect Thedas. So, I stand with the Templars on the grounds that I want to protect and won't let the lifes of some outweigh the lives of many. Although, in saying that the Mages have the right to live. The only situation that benefits everyone is giving the Mages their own homeland that has their own government. This means that the Mages are left to their own devices and that the Mages are independent but if they attack or invade the lands that don't allow magic can and will result in retaliation

[KainD]

Every terrorist would just call themselves freedom fighters and society would be okay, they were just fighting for their rights ^^

 

Ironically that's true, they do. Society that is being attacked though of course is not okay. Not okay with the actions and not okay with the terminology. 

[Monoten]

I'm neutral, too bad you can't choose that in the game. They both have their bad sides, (like forcing mages to become tranquil and the mages for using blood magic) but they have their good sides as well. I don't get why they can't get along. They both have to make comprimises. 

[Brelakor]

I'm neutral, too bad you can't choose that in the game. They both have their bad sides, (like forcing mages to become tranquil and the mages for using blood magic) but they have their good sides as well. I don't get why they can't get along. They both have to make comprimises.

You can kind of play neutral in DA2 (I did sometimes, I hope you can kind of play neutral in Inquisition too) up until the Final Straw where Meredith and Orsino literally stand there both telling you 'NO, YOU MUST PICK A SIDE GRRR'

Probably the only thing they ever agreed on in the game

[KainD]

Mages are people, your now using another countries culture to justify the crimes you've committed against your own people.

because of your innate fear of them.

 

I don't justify, I just don't consider it crimes, I understand all the points, and it's all a fair game. I also like to talk about mages as in ''us'' instead of ''them'', as I always roleplay a mage.