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[MissOuJ]

I don't see what your being really, really afraid all the time has to do with anything. A higher fear of being assaulted does not equal a higher chance of being assaulted. Speaking in terms of actual statistics, rates of assault overall tend to be higher for men than for women in western countries. You're not more likely than a man to be assaulted, you're just more afraid of it.

 

Okay, first of all, I have been socially conditioned to be afraid of it, and I've been told that if I don't do XYZ it's my fault. Men who get physically assaulted (which they do face more usually than women) don't get asked what they were doing walking there at that time or how they were dressed or if they smiled at their attacker or if they might have given any indication that they did, in fact, want to be assaulted, deep down. Nor are they asked if it really happened, or accused that they made it up for attention or to get back at their ex-friend because reasons.

 

And I'm very much more likely to be sexually assaulted - and that's saying nothing about sexual harrasment, which makes me feel unsafe in a regular basis. I'm quite literally constantly reminded - by the media, by the men around me, by my peers - that sexual assault happends, and when it does, it better not be "my fault" because otherwise I'm going to get zero support.

 

But let's talk about statistics:

 

In the United States, a woman gets sexually assaulted approximately every 2 minutes.

 

In my country, the goverment doesn't even keep rape statistic, but an EU study found that almost half of women reported sexual or physical abuse, and that a third of women in the EU have suffered sexual violence.

 

Please don't try to invalidate my experience by telling be "it's probably not gonna happen".

[volkoff]

I agree that universes with social injustices can be interesting, and Dragon Age ceirtanly is.Though I wonder why we never see universes where:

-Women are the superior gender.

-White people are the submissive race.

-Homosexuality is considered high, noble and a rare blessing 

 

etc.

 

Copies of real life injustices that are in the current society or in the past are getting repetetive.I want something new.

some universes where such a thing happened.
 

-death by snu snu!(episode in futurama) you can also just check the animal kingdom (real life)

-check out barbary coast slavery (real life)

-ancient rome (again, real life) (having a small penis was considered as a blessing aswell i think ? or was it greece? anyway it was considered more proportionate with the human body and thus more beautifull.)

no games as of yet. tho i would like to see a game where women are superior tho.

[Mathias]

Not always the case. If someone hits you seriously, then they should be expected to be hit back, man or woman.

 

Well obviously I'm excluding self defense lol. But yeah I agree with you.

[veeia]

It's really disturbing to me how many people equate "mature" or "dark" with sexualized violence and lack of female agency.

In a fantasy world, it's perfectly acceptable to ask why those things are required. That doesn't mean I need to stick to Pokemon because my delicate fee fees are hurt. It means I'm questioning their narrative choices. I still play the games even though I have problems with it, just like people who hate the Dalish or the hair options or whatevr.

[Battlebloodmage]

I agree 100%. Sadly I can't even enjoy Nat Geo, History or the Science Channel anymore it's nothing but reality shows.

Why couldn't you watch it since they're all scripted? I know a writer who writes for a CBS "reality" shows.

[Vandicus]

 

I echo this.  I'd really like to know as well. 

 

Caught the next response, so this was my answer:

 

 

From what I read, it takes a lot more than that.  Including force-feeding her Tainted flesh, and other things.   I think the writing was very...very clear.  I don't think we're seeing just one interpretation.  Broodmothers are a product of force, horror and rape.  There isn't any other way I can see it.   If you don't see it that way, then that's good.  I think you're in the extreme minority though.

 

 

 

My impression was that darkspawn reproduction was asexual(and rather similar to being a parasite), and that furthermore darkspawn don't actually have genitilia. That's at least what old discussions about sentient darkspawn assumed.

 

 

Its pretty clear after they're broodmothers there's no sex involved, otherwise we'd be seeing crossbreeds instead of the race of darkspawn being produced by a broodmother always being directly tied to the host race. 

 

Why would their be sex involved in the creation of broodmothers in a race that more or less could never satisfy its sexual desires(assuming that darkspawn are 99% male rather than simply non-gendered).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I like how of all my post, only the one line about Broodmothers was payed attention too. Typical. 

 

[veeia]

Rape doesn't just mean penetrative sex. IMO, its rape. Agree to disagree, I guess, but that is how a lot of people read it and I think its fair.

[veeia]

I read the rest Kallen, but I only needed clarification on that.

[Tenebrae]

Question Do we know thats how it works?  the Brood queens seme to be more like queen ants produceing clone after clone.

 

They aren’t raped, i'm not even sure if the Darkspawn have gentiles the transformation occurs by force feeding them Darkspawn flesh, while abusive it’s not rape.

[Ceoldoren]

I don't think potrayal of bad things is necessarily making the game worse. Nor does it make the game sexist. It's not like they are condoning these things, they're writing characters, and sometimes those characters aren't good people.

 

It's not really about what they're showing, it's about how they show it.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Question Do we know thats how it works? the Brood queens seme to be more like queen ants produceing clone after clone.

Ants still reproduce sexually.

But maybe Darkspawn don't. I'll admit that possibility had never occurred to me. Hespeth's use of the word "violated" does seem to suggest rape.

[Grieving Natashina]

How can I put this...

 

You don't need genitalia to commit rape.  Rape doesn't necessarily involve sexual intercourse, or penetration by a penis.   And it's about power, not sex or in this case, the power of transformation.  We don't know if darkspawn have genitalia or not.  I've never seen that confirmed nor denied anywhere.   And trust me, a lack of a sex drive does not preclude rape.  

 

The word "violated" is very telling to me.  That strikes me as a calculated word choice.

[tmp7704]

Violent video games do not cause gamers to kill other people, and a woman getting smacked in a video game doesn't cause gamers to beat women. If you hit a woman it's not because you play Gran Theft Auto, it's because you as a person have mental issues.

If you hit a woman it's because you think it's an ok thing to do.

Whether that's a result of mental issues, upbringing, culture or any combination of these factors varies from individual to individual. Unless you want to claim that cultures which make violence against women a norm are filled with nothing but mentally ill people.

[karushna5]

I will say that you can have a sexist world and not have to deal with open sexism, before i got on the internet regularly, I went whole weeks, without casual sexism, and Months between extreme sexism. You can have a sexist world without the character always having to deal with it.

 

I will say, casual rape towards women because sexism exists or because he is horny and she is helpless, is way way worse than any other form of sexism. There is eyerolling when bad women characterization is applied, and then I try to avoid it. But when it happens to full fledged female characters that they are basically used in such a way it is soul crushing. It feels like a punishment, that no matter what you are, nothing you can do can ever relegate you out of that status, and trying just means you will be hurt more.

 

If any of my party members or my character were ever raped, I would never play an RPG again. I would stop playing any video game nearly enough. I would prefer poor female characterization than rape, and I think using the latter for "edginess" is very very sexist, and is in fact the worst kind. The first makes you feel unwanted, the second makes you feel unsafe and scared. I adore Bioware games, and they have great female characterization, and I love them so very much.

 

But lets realize rape is way too prevalent in DA. Darkspawn exist because women are raped. City Elves get raped. Brosca (and her sister) get threatened by it. Alian is raped. Zathrian's daughter is raped. Even a random merchant was threatened by rape.Orlanna a random NPC to show off Feynriel was threatend with group rape. The Qunari threat had to start because some people killed some guards for raping their sister. Turning women tranquil so one templar could rape them. This isn't counting all the extra stuff in this universe that also has raped individuals or threatening to rape them as plot points. The fact that other than city elf, you cannot confront one of these things as wrong, and it is how it is. That is seriously messed up

[Sully13]

Okay, first of all, I have been socially conditioned to be afraid of it, and I've been told that if I don't do XYZ it's my fault. Men who get physically assaulted (which they do face more usually than women) don't get asked what they were doing walking there at that time or how they were dressed or if they smiled at their attacker or if they might have given any indication that they did, in fact, want to be assaulted, deep down. Nor are they asked if it really happened, or accused that they made it up for attention or to get back at their ex-friend because reasons.

 

And I'm very much more likely to be sexually assaulted - and that's saying nothing about sexual harrasment, which makes me feel unsafe in a regular basis. I'm quite literally constantly reminded - by the media, by the men around me, by my peers - that sexual assault happends, and when it does, it better not be "my fault" because otherwise I'm going to get zero support.

 

But let's talk about statistics:

 

In the United States, a woman gets sexually assaulted approximately every 2 minutes.

 

In my country, the goverment doesn't even keep rape statistic, but an EU study found that almost half of women reported sexual or physical abuse, and that a third of women in the EU have suffered sexual violence.

 

Please don't try to invalidate my experience by telling be "it's probably not gonna happen".

Most of those statistics have been debunked.

look up Sexual assault explained whith magnets.   

Oh but it happens i know all to well. but you are just as likely as the guy next to you to be assaulted. infact He is more likely to be attacked if you just want to use figures factoring in Prison rape whitch is pretty freekin high.

[Tenebrae]

That's why I don't watch sitcoms. That accounts for about 95% of them. You usually get the stupid dad who can't do anything right without his wife setting him on the right course, but who manages to be funny and likable, and the straight 'man' wife who is the brains of the household but also a bit of an annoying killjoy.

 

That makes two of us, can you even imagine the outcry if the situation was reversed? We’d probably grow deaf from all the screeching of misogyny and sexism.

[Vandicus]

What I'm still missing from all of this, is why is it a bad thing that Dragon Age portrays things that we accept as bad, as bad?

 

Dragon Age could take the route of pretending bad things don't exist, but part of the title is bringing up things like genocide, ideologically or religiously driven violence, racism, slavery, and sexism.

 

Dragon Age doesn't glorify any of this. It uses it to justify the targets of our violence(and let's be frank, we play vigilantes that are radically unacceptable by modern standards. Given the number of societies that have abolished the death penalty, our MC's behavior might not be considered any better than the people we kill).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Rape doesn't just mean penetrative sex. IMO, its rape. Agree to disagree, I guess, but that is how a lot of people read it and I think its fair.

How can I put this...

 

You don't need genitalia to commit rape.  Rape doesn't necessarily involve sexual intercourse, or penetration by a penis.   And it's about power, not sex or in this case, the power of transformation.  We don't know if darkspawn have genitalia or not.  I've never seen that confirmed nor denied anywhere.   And trust me, a lack of a sex drive does not preclude rape.  

 

The word "violated" is very telling to me.  That strikes me as a calculated word choice.

Tell that to the people who made it so male rape victims can't claim they were raped because they were not penetrated.

 

 

I read the rest Kallen, but I only needed clarification on that.

Fair enough. 

[GreenSoda]

It's really disturbing to me how many people equate "mature" or "dark" with sexualized violence and lack of female agency.

In a fantasy world, it's perfectly acceptable to ask why those things are required. That doesn't mean I need to stick to Pokemon because my delicate fee fees are hurt. It means I'm questioning their narrative choices. I still play the games even though I have problems with it, just like people who hate the Dalish or the hair options or whatevr.

 

I don't really think many people equate it with "mature" or "dark", I just think many people expect such things to explicitly not be excluded from games that have such a rating. 

 

Ideally one wouldn't shy away from such topics but implement them well. Somehow most threads like this one come off as advocating for the total omission of such themes,though -at least if women are affected.

[veeia]

What? I would never say that to a male rape victim...? That's my point.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

 

Tell that to the people who made it so male rape victims can't claim they were raped because they were not penetrated.

 

 

Whoa, why are you attacking me?!?  I had a guy friend of mine back in high school that did get raped, and was laughed at by the local cops.  He was raped by a group of women, no less.  I agree with you.

 

 

What? I would never say that to a male rape victim...? That's my point.

Same here.   The fact that guys get dismissed more often than not if they are rape victims is f*cking wrong and disgusting, no matter how you slice it.

[Sully13]

Rape doesn't just mean penetrative sex. IMO, its rape. Agree to disagree, I guess, but that is how a lot of people read it and I think its fair.

indeed it dose not that is how women rape men and other women.

i have my own story there.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What? I would never say that to a male rape victim...? That's my point.

Whoa, why are you attacking me?!?  I had a guy friend of mine back in high school that did get raped, and was laughed at by the local cops.  He was raped by a group of women, no less.  I agree with you.

The anger in that post is not directed towards you two. It is directed at the situation to which I am referring.