That were the core of these guys issues are. You think this would of came up it there were more straight male LI's? Where were these guy supporting the issue of the straight male gamer during ME3?
Not from the same people no, but i don’t see Bioware mod's being as vigilant had the shoe been on the other foot.
It’s not that i don’t find the constant complaining about the "lack" of romance option grating, i do, it’s the double standard that irks me.
Well we could turn it into a fabulous hat discussion, that might cool things off.
What's under Viviann's hat is a hat. And under that hat is....
Not from the same people no, but i don’t see Bioware mod's being as vigilant had the shoe been on the other foot.
It’s not that i don’t find the constant complaining grating, i do, it’s the double standard that irks me.
The problem is how these guy put the point across. And even then it's not like they were not the focus for years.
Can't we all just agree that people who belittle others and their opinions just because they are male/female are...
Gimme a D, gimme an I, gimme a C, gimme a K, gimme a S, What's that spell? DICKS!
wait, no that wouldn't be fair now would it, lemme think...i know
Can't we all just agree that people who belittle others and their opinions just because they are male/female are...Dicks! and Vaginas!, respectively...unless you identify with the other gender, then feel free to be treated with the other connotation.
There! Equal opportunities for everyone.
Can't we all just agree that people who belittle others and their opinions just because they are male/female are...
Gimme a D, gimme an I, gimme a C, gimme a K, gimme a S, What's that spell? DICKS!
wait, no that wouldn't be fair now would it, lemme think...i know
Can't we all just agree that people who belittle others and their opinions just because they are male/female are...Dicks! and Vaginas!, respectively...unless you identify with the other gender, then feel free to be treated with the other connotation.
There! Equal opportunities for everyone.
*Cue Team America quote.
Anyone know how to change the topic title?
The title is attached to the first post - try editing that using the 'full editor'.
To be honest, it never really bothered me.
Now, if I'd started up DAO, chosen a female Warden and gotten five minutes into the game only to have Duncan take one look at my character and say "what this? A woman? I need someone to fight the Darkspawn, not make me a sandwich! What are you going to do, nag them to death? Get out of here you stupid w***e!" and gotten a game-over screen and told to try again with a male Warden next time, then I would have been bothered.
As it is, I can play as an awesome, badass woman who, on the rare occasions she is subject to sexist behaviour, always has the ability to turn around and prove them horribly wrong.
And that's not to be dismissive of people who take issue with sexism in DA, I just simply have different priorities, and to me just being able to play a strong female character is something of a godsend.
The problem is how these guy put the point across. And even then it's not like they were not the focus for years.
That would be true for most other complainers as well, take the namesake of this thread as an example, all i saw when i read her post was blah blah blah misogyny.
She was just whining for the sake of whining, alas that is a symptom of a society that is suffering from a near terminal case of stupidity.
Can't we all just agree that people who belittle others and their opinions just because they are male/female are...
Gimme a D, gimme an I, gimme a C, gimme a K, gimme a S, What's that spell? DICKS!
wait, no that wouldn't be fair now would it, lemme think...i know
Can't we all just agree that people who belittle others and their opinions just because they are male/female are...Dicks! and Vaginas!, respectively...unless you identify with the other gender, then feel free to be treated with the other connotation.
There! Equal opportunities for everyone.
Well said.
That would be true for most other complainers as well, take the namesake of this thread as an example, all i saw when i read her post was blah blah blah misogyny.
She was just whining for the sake of whining, alas that is a symptom of a society that is suffering from a near terminal case of stupidity.
I never said her post was equally baseless. Look at my first post in this topic.
I never said her post was equally baseless. Look at my first post in this topic.
I never said you did, i was simply using her as a general example. To summarize whining can exist on either side and should be condemned equally, alas that is not the case, again its not a shot at you it is simply a general obesrvation.
Oh lovely, this will certainly go well.
My response (as a female gamer who grew up in an era were the boy's wouldn't let me play D&D cause I was a girl and the girls thought I was weird because I wanted to) is ------ if you think a game set in your pink ruffled Uptopia would sell enough copies to pay the dev's salary for more than one month go for it. Otherwise, let other people make the games they want to make and if you don't want to play them then don't.
My one major gripe about my own gender, is that they want to play the boys games (politicial - corporate or otherwise) but as soon as they get a foot in the door they want to change the rules, the customs and focus. Create your own game studio - hire amazing female writers and programers and make youself a game that is a model of feminist iconography. I won't play but someone might. If you can't or won't then stop whining about the games that are made and either enjoy them for what they are or don't play. No one is forcing you. But stop making trying to make the industry that exists bow to your narrow world view.
Oh lovely, this will certainly go well.
Hey you. <hugs>
Popcorn?
The title is attached to the first post - try editing that using the 'full editor'.
Thankyou ... and fixed
My response (as a female gamer who grew up in an era were the boy's wouldn't let me play D&D cause I was a girl and the girls thought I was weird because I wanted to) is ------ if you think a game set in your pink ruffled Uptopia would sell enough copies to pay the dev's salary for more than one month go for it. Otherwise, let other people make the games they want to make and if you don't want to play them then don't.
My one major gripe about my own gender, is that they want to play the boys games (politicial - corporate or otherwise) but as soon as they get a foot in the door they want to change the rules, the customs and focus. Create your own game studio - hire amazing female writers and programers and make youself a game that is a model of feminist iconography. I won't play but someone might. If you can't or won't then stop whining about the games that are made and either enjoy them for what they are or don't play. No one is forcing you. But stop making trying to make the industry that exists bow to your narrow world view.
Ah, yes, because potential paying customers have no right to give feedback? If the developers see profit in said requests, they'll accede to them. If not, they won't. Simple enough
I will, however, say that fantasy rules, customs and focus are, more often than not, lazy as balls and could stand with some shakeups. Though it might help to know exactly which ones you're talking about.
To be frank, we men suffers from sexism in games too.. Even though it is more favoured than women.
I can't go in details because I can't remember much... But there are some points in game, for example were a female trader doesn't agree to trade with men. Or that orlesian flower lady in Denerim did a made a sexist comment against men too...
Ah, yes, because potential paying customers have no right to give feedback? If the developers see profit in said requests, they'll accede to them. If not, they won't. Simple enough
I will, however, say that fantasy rules, customs and focus are, more often than not, lazy as balls and could stand with some shakeups. Though it might help to know exactly which ones you're talking about.
There is feedback and then there is these guys. I think what kill their arguments for me is the teeth clenching unstated but oh so there sense of entitlement. I don't know how to describe it any better than that. Women of my era spent a long time fighting be seen as equals to men - then these new kids come along and want to bring back the Victorian fainting couch because they can't take living in the real world and must be protected at all costs. It makes this old dame want to scream.
I find it baffling that in a game that lets you kill a possesed child, slaughter an entire clan of elves (twice) and condemn casteless Dwarves to be turned into golems the thing that offended this persons sensibilities was a few sexist remarks.
Dark fantasy (and really fantasy in general) really isn't the place to go if you want a setting completely devoid of sexism.
There is feedback and then there is these guys. I think what kill their arguments for me is the teeth clenching unstated but oh so there sense of entitlement. I don't know how to describe it any better than that. Women of my era spent a long time fighting be seen as equals to men - then these new kids come along and want to bring back the Victorian fainting couch because they can't take living in the real world and must be protected at all costs. It makes this old dame want to scream.
Again, which rules/themes/etc. are you worried about being changed?
I find it baffling that in a game that lets you kill a possesed child the thing that offended this persons sensibilities was a few sexist remarks.
Trying to argue that certain PC choices shouldn't exist because they're deplorable and violate a decent person's humanity is doomed to utter failure; way too many people will unthinkingly attack. I know, I've tried this before.
Some of you seem to really trivialize the effects of these things in media. That's all I'll say about it, though. 
Guest_Corvus I_*
So... two pages in to its own topic and I have yet to see a post expressing agreement with the confession post that started all this. I think its safe to say we're unanimous that we're ok with a setting having sexism in it as a conflict element.
So... two pages in to its own topic and I have yet to see a post expressing agreement with the confession post that started all this. I think its safe to say we're unanimous that we're ok with a setting having sexism in it as a conflict element.
Actually, I agree with it being problematic for some people who don't want it to interfere with their fantasy narrative. I mean, I don't care personally, but I'll also hardly dismiss anyone who does have it as a concern.
I was thinking over the comments about rape being a large part of the games and it hit me that it isn't really a case of sexism, because in DA:2 in particular it was just as often a man who was the subject of rape.
One of the male mages in the Gallows claimed that the abusive Templar who was taking advantage of his station was eliciting sex acts from him, and Fenris was fairly clearly the subject of sexual abuse from both Danerius and Hadriana. The latter being particularly relevant here because it's a fairly important plot point in Fenris' arc that involves female-on male abuse.
So while DA2 does have a lot of sexual assualt plot points they are hardly directed at any one gender in particular.
I was thinking over the comments about rape being a large part of the games and it hit me that it isn't really a case of sexism at all, because in DA:2 in particular it was just as often a man who was the subject of rape.
One of the male mages in the Gallows claimed that the abusive Templar who was taking advantage of his station was eliciting sex acts from him, and Fenris was fairly clearly the subject of sexual abuse from both Danerius and Hadriana. The latter being very important here, because it's a fairly important plot point in Fenris arc that involves female-on male abuse.
So while DA2 does have a lot of sexual assualt plot points they are hardly directed at any one gender in particular.
The Hadriana thing wasn't clear to me at all, nor was it ever confirmed like Danarius' was.
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