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[DrBlingzle]

I was just curious to see peoples opinion on this. If one of Shepard's squadmates had to choose what to do with the crucibkle, not shepard, what do you think they would of chosen?

 

 

[DrBlingzle]

Okay heres what I guess:

 

EDI - Synthesis

Kaiden - Synthesis

Liara - Synthesis 

Mordin - Synthesis

Kasumi - Synthesis

Javik - Destroy

Ashley - Destroy

James - Destroy

Tali - Destroy

Jack - Destroy

Zaeed - Destroy

Grunt - Destroy

Wrex - Destroy

Samara - Destroy

Miranda - Control

Legion - Control

Morinth - Control

Garrus- This I'm unsure on. If you went renegade with him in ME and convinced him to take down your target no matter the cost, then Destroy. If you convinced him that civilian casualties were unacceptable, maybe control.

Thane - ??? Okay for him I have literally no idea.

 

I chose Control if anyones interested. 

[themikefest]

All squadmates, including Samantha who I know is not a squadmate, would choose destroy except Legion and edi who would most likely choose synthesis

 

There was a similiar thread about this before if folks like to take a look

[Sundance31us]

Kaidan would spend so much time trying to decide that reject would trigger by default.

[Vazgen]

All squadmates, including Samantha who I know is not a squadmate, would choose destroy except Legion and edi who would most likely choose synthesis

This ^

Perhaps Morinth would've chosen Control, but she never survives ME2.

[DrBlingzle]

Kaidan would spend so much time trying to decide that reject would trigger by default.

That actually sounds a lot more plausible. And hilarious.

[MrFob]

Well, DrBlingzle I'd say, I agree with a lot of your choices. I think all the destroy candidates are no-brainers.
For the others, I am not so sure.

Kaidan is definitely a candidate to choose synthesis. He seems like a person who can see issues from a range of perspective, maybe even the catalyst's. He is also rather curious and has imagination and he is an optimist. So I can see him choosing synthesis.
EDIT: Or what Sundance31us said.

Liara: Before Thessia, I would have said she also is very open to the possibilities of synthesis. However, it seemed to me that she took the attack on her home world very personally and she may be too pissed at the reapers to consider the compromise. She also doesn't have any particular relationship to any synthetics and as shadow broker, she may be used to playing with high stakes, so she may go for destroy as well.

I can definitely see Kasumi choosing synthesis, especially if you saved the grey-box.

Miranda and Control is a good match. If anyone would choose control, it'd probably be her, although, after the recent experiences with her father attempt at it, she may be less inclined to give it a go and rather choose destroy. I figure she would also have less scruple about the synthetics than some others.

(ME2) Legion: Destroy:
"The Old Machines offered to give us our future. A short cut to our objective. We rejected it. The Geth will build our own future. The process is as important as the result."

The new and completely different ME3 Legion: Not sure but maybe synthesis. I'd say, Legion would never choose control. Not after the geth had to fight to gain their own freedom from control of the reapers recently and from the quarians in the morning war.

Mordin: Destroy (unless you think his character butchery in ME3 was 100%):
"Disrupts socio-technological balance. All scientific advancement due to intelligence overcoming, compensating, for limitations. Can't carry a load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food, so invent spear. Limitations. No limitations, no advancement. No advancement, culture stagnates. Works other way too. Advancement before culture is ready. Disastrous."

EDI: I am not sure about her. She may very well choose synthesis but she might even choose destroy:
"It is the right of sapients to live freely and securely. That is worth non-functionality."
But the whole synthesis ending is so jumbled with EDI proclaiming she is now "truly alive" (for at least the third time in this game) to make an adequate judgement here.

Thane: I think Thane would be another candidate for synthesis. He may see the entire thing more from a spiritual viewpoint and may go towards the apparent harmony that this choice offers. Tough to tell though.

BTW, you forgot Jacob (I know, who cares, right?). I'd say he would be firmly in the destroy camp ... although, maybe control?
"Heavy risk ... but the priiiiize!"

[DrBlingzle]

BTW, you forgot Jacob (I know, who cares, right?).
 

Oh god I actually did, completely by accident as well .

 

Okay maybe destroy for him.

[Valmar]

All squadmates, including Samantha who I know is not a squadmate, would choose destroy except Legion and edi who would most likely choose synthesis

 

There was a similiar thread about this before if folks like to take a look

 

Funnily enough one of the first posts in that topic is telling them there is already a topic about it. The cycle continues.

 

Anyway, I'm with Fob on this one. Well, other than Kaidan. I don't think Kaidan would make that choice on the principle of it changing all life regardless of its opinion on the matter. Sundance jokes about it but I think he's right - I don't think Kaidan would make a decision. If pressed however I think he'd go with Destroy. I'm just remembering his skepticism of being the ones to make the choice after the rachni queen. I can't see him being okay with synthesis, specifically, when it effects so many people, even if he may be okay with it personally.

[Farangbaa]

Ah, a golden oldie. I think I've answered this question at least 3 times already

But here we go:

Kaidan: Control/Synthesis. Won't risk the Catalyst being right and Reapers being dead. That is, if he's quick enough to decide.
Tali: With the Geth destroyed, she'll pick Destroy. Peace and she'll pick Synthesis.
Liara: Control. In a matter of seconds she decided to control the SB's network. She won't hesitate in this case either.
Garrus: Would end up picking Refuse while trying to call Shepard.
Ashley: Destroy
Wrex: Destroy
Kasumi: Synthesis. For creepy stuff with a greybox
Grunt: Destroy (might pick Synthesis or Control if aware and apreciative of the Reaper tech involved in his eh.. creation)
Thane: Synthesis. I have no explanation for this, except that it seems 'right' for him (and he's green )
Jack: Destroy
Miranda: Control
Legion: Control.
Zaeed: Destroy.
Samara: Destroy. I don't think the Code leaves her much other options
Morinth: Destroy
Mordin: Control or Synthesis (Bonus: Padok Wiks would Destroy.. or even Refuse, depending on how far he's willing to take his views)
Jacob: Control. Doesn't seem like the blind destructor kind to me.
Javik: Aaah, my boy. Would get up the elevator, jumping around being all excited that's he finally going to destroy the Reapers... only to find some hologram of an AI pretending to be a child talking to him. '... Synthetic!' he would utter and shoot the hologram. Reapers win.
James: Destroy.
EDI: Synthesis. Cause Joker.

[Valmar]

Jacob: Control. Doesn't seem like the blind destructor kind to me.
 

 

The same Jacob that insisted we throw Legion out the airlock?

[Larry-3]

Synthesis

EDI

Legion

Kasumi

Joker

Kenneth

James

Samantha

Liara

Steve

Adams

Chakwas

 

Destroy

Ashley

Jacob

Javik

Wrex

Kaiden

Tali

Gabriela

Michel

Zaeed

Samara

Thane

 

Control

Miranda

Mordin

Kelly

Morinth

Grunt

 

Refuse

Sofie the robot dog

Renegade Shepard

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Kaidan
Thematic: Synthesis
Choice: Indecisive paralysis

Ash
Thematic: Destroy
Choice: Destroy

Garrus
Thematic: Destroy
Choice: Destroy
 
Wrex
Thematic: Paragon Control
Choice: Destroy
 
Liara
Thematic: Control
Choice: Control
 
Tali
Thematic: Synthesis
Choice: Destroy
 
Jacob
Thematic: Destroy
Choice: Destroy
 
Miranda
Thematic: Control (ME2), Destroy (ME3)
Choice: Control (ME2), Destroy (ME3)
 
Mordin
Thematic: Control (ME2), Synthesis (ME3)
Choice: Synthesis
 
Jack
Thematic: Destroy
Choice: Destroy
 
Grunt
Thematic: Destroy
Choice: Destroy
 
Zaeed
Thematic: Refuse (everyone dies but him)
Choice: Destroy
 
Kasumi
Thematic: Synthesis
Choice: Destroy
 
Samara
Thematic: Refuse
Choice: Refuse
 
Morinth
Thematic: Renegade Control
Choice: Destroy
 
Thane
Thematic: Synthesis
Choice: Synthesis
 
Legion
Thematic: Synthesis
Choice: Synthesis
 
James
Thematic: Destroy
Choice: Destroy
 
EDI
Thematic: Destroy (Reapers), Synthesis (organic/synthetic themes)
Choice: Synthesis
 
Javik
Thematic: Renegade Control
Choice: Destroy

[KaiserShep]

That seems pretty accurate.

[Display Name Owner]

All squadmates, including Samantha who I know is not a squadmate, would choose destroy except Legion and edi who would most likely choose synthesis

 

There was a similiar thread about this before if folks like to take a look

 

Agreed, although I can see Legion choosing Control if it gets knocked on the head and suddenly remembers that "self determination" stuff.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I hope my squadmates would be a bit brighter than Shepard and ask why, specifically, one of the Crucible functions has to be used. And maybe they'll ask a few more questions.

[KaiserShep]

I doubt the Catalyst would care to answer anyway.

[Valmar]

There is not time to explain and you would not understand anyway.

[SporkFu]

I'm not so sure EDI would automatically choose synthesis. I mean, of course she doesn't want to die, but she is willing to sacrifice herself for the greater good. If her death meant a definitive end to the reaper threat, and peace for everyone, I don't think she'd hesitate to give up her life. In the conversation she has with shep on the Normandy towards the end of the game, shep asks her if life is worth preserving, and she emphatically answers, "to the death." Shep then responds, "welcome to the crew, EDI." 

[ZipZap2000]

I can actually see EDI going with control. Which would be hilarious for all concerned.

 

Joker - Synthesis.

 

ME2 Jack - Control  we'd all be dead

 

Miranda - Control deep down she's a control freak, who hates control freaks.

 

Thane - Refuse.

 

And I actually think Samara may view it as an opportunity to enforce the code in ways that no justicar ever dreamed of.

[Valmar]

I can actually see EDI going with control. Which would be hilarious for all concerned.

 

Joker - Synthesis.

 

ME2 Jack - Control  we'd all be dead

 

Miranda - Control deep down she's a control freak, who hates control freaks.

 

Thane - Refuse.

 

And I actually think Samara may view it as an opportunity to enforce the code in ways that no justicar ever dreamed of.

 

 

Given that EDI experienced first hand what it was like to be controlled and have shackles placed on her I'm skeptical she would opt to do that. She also mentions I believe that she finds the reapers repulsive... It's weird to think she'd go with destroy when it leads to her death... But I don't know. I don't think it'd be out of character of her but that doesn't mean I think it's what she'd want. Not sure.

 

Joker I doubt would take the synthesis ending seriously and would just laugh about it and make some joke. It does sound ridiculous after all. Though he certainly wouldn't be eager to pick destroy given his attachment to Edi.

 

Jack picking anything other than destroy just seems weird to me. Given here history of just blowing **** up. She'd probably get off on it.

 

Miranda... I get why people would expect her to want control but at the same time I remember how she was actually AGAINST saving the collector base... She's clearly more complicated then we think. If she wanted to destroy the collector base on the principle of it "feeling wrong" I can't see her suddenly being okay with not destroying the reapers.

 

Thane I can see going with refuse but at the same time I do like spiritual angle Fob mentioned with synthesis. Harmony, man, harmony.

 

For Samara it depends on how the Justicar code views AI. If she acknowledges the geth as being alive then the destroy choice would kill the innocent. Control would enslave the innocent. Honestly, given her code, I think the only safe action for her is to just refuse... via massive biotic explosions on the star brat.

[ZipZap2000]

I think it's implied that the reapers aren't actually independent beings they are under the control of the catalyst. They are pre-programmed machines that do as they are tasked and only present themselves as acting independently. (One of the bigger plot holes actually "We are each a nation" goes out the window) Unlike EDI and Cerberus where she was always independently thinking for herself but her actions were restricted.

 

ME2 Jack is a psychopath she's been twisted into a mentally unstable individual who validates her existence through power and killing and justifies it with pre-emptive self defence. She'd take control.

 

True I can see Thane sacrificing himself "I'm already dying" would be a factor as well.

 

Miranda though? In her own words she "Didn't give a second thought to doing the same thing" to Shepard. I think she'd take it even if she did say that with remorse she's always been about the ends justifying the means if the situation warrants it.

[Valmar]

A lot of things are implied, hence why the ending makes no sense. For the first two games the reapers are independent, free of all weakness. In the ending they're just tools for the starbrat. Personally I rather just say the ending is poorly written and refer to the content prior to that as being the lore-accurate information. Sure, the ending implies they are just tools but that contradicts a lot of the other stuff. I either say the first two games were right and the ending was a mess or I say the first two games were wrong and the ending was the only thing that accurately depicted the reapers. I choose to trash the ending.

 

Jack argues strongly for destroying the collector base because of the sick experiments. I can't imagine she'd feel any different about the reapers.

 

Honestly Thane's mortality had nothing to do with it. Though that could be another factor, I suppose. His views on the afterlife are not too unlike what synthesis offers. It is life, just not life as you know it. I can see him coming up with some spiritual perspective to view that choice as the best. Hell, he might even be able to convince me it.

 

You're taking one instance where she wanted control practically before the events of the second game and using it as a bases to judge her choice without looking at the most recent changes. Miranda has changed quite a bit. Miranda realized the hypocrisy of wanting control of Shepard and felt disgusted with herself for wanting it. She also quit Cerberus because she strongly disagreed with TIM not wanting to destroy the collector base. If she is able to go from this extreme Cerberus loyalist that is purely dedicated to suddenly quitting all because of how passionately she believes the collector base needs to be destroyed... it seems more likely, with all that context of her character, that she would destroy the reapers. Like I said, she's a more complicated character than I suspect many people give her credit for.

[ZipZap2000]

It's clear you have no intention of taking anything anyone I'm says on board and considering it. And my own views aren't going to change much either looking at the way this conversation is headed.  If you enjoy taking a contrarian viewpoint to everything I won't stop you. But I won't participate any further. We'll only wander in circles reiterating the point we've already made.

 

I have enjoyed the discussion however brief though.  

[Valmar]

Hm. The only thing you mentioned that I hadn't already considered myself was the fact that Thane was dying. I didn't think of that. Everything else I had already thought of (wow, that sounds pretentious) so I did take it into consideration. I just came to a different perspective than you. I wasn't aware you were taking it so personal. Ultimately none of us are right or wrong in this situation. It's purely speculation on a hypothetical question. We can't say one is wrong or right, we can only elaborate our reasons for thinking one thing over the other.

 

Really the only thing we really disagreed with was Jack. I 'get' why people think Miranda would want control. I just feel that there's more to her than that. Which is an odd position for me to take since I don't really like her very much.

 

The enjoyment was mutual though, even if the 'end' is a bit confusing to me. Lol.