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[MnMH]

MajesticMoose wrote...

MnMH wrote...

MajesticMoose wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

MnMH wrote...

Yay, this thread again.

If people like you would stop coming here making trouble there would have only been 1.

I wonder if you get a paragon interrupt to run up and give Liara a hug and a kiss.

... Must you be hostile at everyone who either disagrees with you or who looks at threads like this as a travesty?

I don't recall saying I agreed or disagreed.  I don't look at threads like this as a travesty (unless of course you mean, threads that have created and recreated ad nasuem).

EDIT: I should add that I don't recall being hositle either.

My post was directed at ERJAK. And I used the word travesty with a bit of hyperbole.

Doh! I feel silly. Sorry abou that.

[Revan312]

handheld wrote...

Handheld thinks these threads are now becoming irritating.


Handheld personally thinks people are just doing this to be an irritant now Handheld also thinks enough is enough Handheld has reported this thread as there is at least one of these on every page.

Handheld can go speak in the third person in a "Handheld thinks this" thread because Handheld isn't wanted here...

[Mr Fadedglory]

Sorry, Bioware is not stupid enough to put gay relationships in their games. 2010 or not, it's not acceptable in normal society.

[Tasuru]

Some games they have same-sex sex, others they don't, so either don't buy the game in protest or stop making threads about it.

[Nozybidaj]

Zoe Dedweth wrote...

Why do you guys *points at everyone ever to have created a gay romance thread* feel the need to create a new thread every single day. I understand that you guys wish the option, but please think about us, the rest of the posters who do not wish to see half a dozen threads about it. There is literally almost a new thread every day. Private message each other. Decide on a single Thread and then all post in that thread. OR ideally create a group for it and discuss it there. Bioware has given you the option to chat in groups about topics. If you feel strongly about this subject (which many of you clearly do) please post in a group.

Show a little compassion and consideration for your fellow posters who do not wish to see a dozen gay romance threads. I'm sure that creating a group and having a civilized discussion will go over much better impression with bioware.

sincerely
Grifthin

So basically you want them to "go hide in the closet".  Is that what I am picking up here?

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 24 janvier 2010 - 10:47 .

[DavidToronto]

Mr. Fadedglory, same sex relationships are possible in Bioware's Dragon Age: Origins.

[jakl201]

Isn't it kinda ironic that on one hand that one side is saying that we're mature and big enough for gaydom in 2010, but then anyone who disagrees with them is met with "STFU #@$#*%$!!!"



Weird.

[Revan312]

jakl201 wrote...

Isn't it kinda ironic that on one hand that one side is saying that we're mature and big enough for gaydom in 2010, but then anyone who disagrees with them is met with "STFU #@$#*%$!!!"

Weird.

Please link to the quote with "STFU #@$#*%$!!!" directed at a poster... I must have missed it.......

[DaeJi]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

And suddenly the romances seem petty, unless any of you have such strong resolve.  I commend anybody who has the will to NOT buy this game because they feel so strongly about the homosexual relations.

We like the game. We like the universe, the characters, the missions, the story, the lore, the company, everything! If we were not fans of the game, we would not care about this. This is not about latching on to one aspect of the game that is a "make it or break it" thing for us, but about making a game that we like better. Mass Effect is a series that is built on giving the player choices; having more choices makes the game better. That's what the Tali fans were all about; making the game better. That's what the people who hated the Mako were about; making the game better. That's what the people who wanted more Joker content were about; making the game better. And we aren't even asking to be part of the shipped game, only a small DLC that anyone can ignore.

You don't turn your back on something you like just because you are thrilled about one thing in it. If you can, then you didn't really like it in the first place.

[jakl201]

Revan312 wrote...

jakl201 wrote...

Isn't it kinda ironic that on one hand that one side is saying that we're mature and big enough for gaydom in 2010, but then anyone who disagrees with them is met with "STFU #@$#*%$!!!"

Weird.

Please link to the quote with "STFU #@$#*%$!!!" directed at a poster... I must have missed it.......

Revan312 wrote...

handheld wrote...

Handheld thinks these threads are now becoming irritating.


Handheld
personally thinks people are just doing this to be an irritant now
Handheld also thinks enough is enough Handheld has reported this thread
as there is at least one of these on every page.

Handheld can go speak in the third person in a "Handheld thinks this" thread because Handheld isn't wanted here...

Yeah, I know, it's more of "GTFO ##$#@!@#@$!!!" Kind of thing, but eh. I don't give a f*ck.

[Mox Ruuga]

jakl201 wrote...

Isn't it kinda ironic that on one hand that one side is saying that we're mature and big enough for gaydom in 2010, but then anyone who disagrees with them is met with "STFU #@$#*%$!!!"

Weird.

Have you seen the kind of arguments the anti-gay romance people put forth? Because people indulged them, the previous threads were shut down.

[SethSteiner]

@Handheld

The other threads were closed because of religious fights and homophobics. No one has an intention to make 5 of these threads.



@Mr Fadedglory

They are accepted and no one stopped BioWare with Dragon Age Origins and this was a huge success.

[redloz]

I am genuinely curious as to why there are what, seven new romances introduced in the game and all are exclusively hetrosexual?



I suppose that's alot of individual romances to explore in and of itself, dedicated to one aspect of the game that a number of players are going to avoid experiencing entirely, but I think Bioware missed a trick there.



Would've been interesting maybe if they'd cut out Kelly's romance and instead made Subject Zero or Thane bisexual? Hypothetically. Ofcorse, one of my femsheps would've hypothetically romanced Subject Zero on the spot, but there you go.

[Gorn Kregore]

Gladiador2 wrote...
I'm gay

Mmm we should get together sometime hun.

[MassFrost]

DaeJi wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

And suddenly the romances seem petty, unless any of you have such strong resolve.  I commend anybody who has the will to NOT buy this game because they feel so strongly about the homosexual relations.

We like the game. We like the universe, the characters, the missions, the story, the lore, the company, everything! If we were not fans of the game, we would not care about this. This is not about latching on to one aspect of the game that is a "make it or break it" thing for us, but about making a game that we like better. Mass Effect is a series that is built on giving the player choices; having more choices makes the game better. That's what the Tali fans were all about; making the game better. That's what the people who hated the Mako were about; making the game better. That's what the people who wanted more Joker content were about; making the game better. And we aren't even asking to be part of the shipped game, only a small DLC that anyone can ignore.

You don't turn your back on something you like just because you are thrilled about one thing in it. If you can, then you didn't really like it in the first place.

I can see your point here, but again, if BioWare is going to continue getting your money regardless of what they choose to include or exclude from a game, what's the incentive for them to actually use the resources to add whatever it is you're campaigning for? Money speaks a lot louder than threads on a message board.

[Revan312]

jakl201 wrote...

Yeah, I know, it's more of "GTFO ##$#@!@#@$!!!" Kind of thing, but eh. I don't give a f*ck.

Just to let you know, it's because I find Handheld annoying as sin, not because of his views, I wish he'd just stop talking in the third person, also, your the one cursing like a sailor.

Hypocrisy- It's what makes life grand.

[DaeJi]

MassFrost wrote...
I can see your point here, but again, if BioWare is going to continue getting your money regardless of what they choose to include or exclude from a game, what's the incentive for them to actually use the resources to add whatever it is you're campaigning for? Money speaks a lot louder than threads on a message board.

After Mass Effect, a lot of people wanted more romances for each gender. If BioWare had decided to give them the same number of options (three split between two genders), all those people who wanted more romances (or certain romances) would still have bought Mass Effect 2. I give BioWare a little bit of credit, at least enough to say that they add things to their games for their fans.

[handheld]

Revan312 wrote...

handheld wrote...

Handheld thinks these threads are now becoming irritating.


Handheld personally thinks people are just doing this to be an irritant now Handheld also thinks enough is enough Handheld has reported this thread as there is at least one of these on every page.

Handheld can go speak in the third person in a "Handheld thinks this" thread because Handheld isn't wanted here...

Handheld thinks if you want him to not report it then stick to one thread instead of people making 3984283498234 of them Handheld asks you to seriously go back page by page and there is more than one of these.

Also Handheld knows you do not speak for everyone so Handheld asks you to please deal with his presence whether you like it or not.

[Akrim_Drak]

Um handheld, the reason there's more than one of these threads is because people LIKE you come in here and spew that crap, making them get locked.... NOBODY wants more than one thread but we can't even have that because of all the off topic crap that gets thrown around. Yes I'm adding to the problem but I'm so sick of people coming in here making the problem worse. You don't wanna see more than one? Then leave it alone!

[SethSteiner]

As said before, the threads were all closed down because of religious fights and homophobic comments.

[jakl201]

Revan312 wrote...

jakl201 wrote...

Yeah, I know, it's more of "GTFO ##$#@!@#@$!!!" Kind of thing, but eh. I don't give a f*ck.

Just to let you know, it's because I find Handheld annoying as sin, not because of his views, I wish he'd just stop talking in the third person, also, your the one cursing like a sailor.

Hypocrisy- It's what makes life grand.

Pfft, you've never been around sailors then. Dropping a f*uck you here and there is nothing.

We need more people talking in the third person. Builds character.

[jakl201]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Um handheld, the reason there's more than one of these threads is because people LIKE you come in here and spew that crap, making them get locked.... NOBODY wants more than one thread but we can't even have that because of all the off topic crap that gets thrown around. Yes I'm adding to the problem but I'm so sick of people coming in here making the problem worse. You don't wanna see more than one? Then leave it alone!

Actually it's because dev's shut them all down, but then the whiny babies still wanna cry, so they start a new thread.

[Llane Lightbringer]

frieswithtat wrote...

ITS NOT GAI UNLESS BALLS ARE TOUCHING

Best. Comment. Evar.

[Mordigan]

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[Returnpolicy]

Jethart wrote...

On purely economic grounds, I doubt there are many people who would not buy the game because they can't have a same sex romance. And the number or players who will have added value out of a same-sex romance is very small. So why would they waste man hours putting it in?

I don't know - I love Bioware titles and have played most of them but the revelation that there are no same-sex romances has led me to cancel my pre-order. No I do not want Sims in Space, no I do not buy games for the romance - however, when romance is *part* of building relationships, and relationships + combat is what Mass Effect 2 is about (recruiting and gaining loyalty of each member, etc.) I find it seriously amiss that there are *6* heterosexual romances in the game and 0 same-sex ones.

The argument that making part of the *6* romances available for same-sex romance is a waste of resources is ridiculous: why bother with *any* romance at all in that case? We all know the answer: because we and Bioware know that this adds to the game and makes it easier to identify with and invest in one's own characters and the NPCs we interact with. This leads to greater immersion which in turn translates to a higher appreciation of the game and, by extension, its creators, which translates to more $$$ for future Bioware titles. So given that heterosexual romance is very handsomely catered for in Mass Effect 2 why spurn a significant portion of gamers?

Why should a significant portion of gamers not be free to choose if their Shepard is gay or not and have the possibility to live out those choices in the game? This freedom of choice does not affect any other player since we all play on a single-player instance of the game. The significant portion of gamers I refer to consists of:
- heterosexual gamers who prefer to play another gender but retain their sexual orientation (my case, as a straight married male and I suspect there are many others like me);
- RPGers who want to explore the whole range of choices a game may offer (more choice = more replayability) (my case again, although I suspect there are many others who think like me);
- homosexual gamers who would like to explore the game and have the luxury to identify with their characters (as most gamers indeed expect and want).

Bioware has shown itself in the past to be open for same-sex romance (had a weak version of it in Mass Effect 1 - although the "Asari are mono-gendered race" argument was a cop-out -  DA:O as well as several older titles) so why not in Mass Effect 2? Bioware's success is built on a loyal gamer base - why exclude part of that base for the (likely ephemeral) approval of a "straight-romance" only crowd. What goes around comes around.

I would have expected Bioware to build on the enjoyable and progressive games it has developed in the past and frankly, I'm disappointed they haven't.
 

Modifié par Returnpolicy, 24 janvier 2010 - 11:05 .