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[jselene]

Hey! I like "regular" romances, too! And same-sex ones. Romance for everybody!



Anyway, what baffles me about the straight-only-ness of ME2's romances is embodied by Garrus. If you can get past the fleshiness, the absence of mandibles, and all the excess of hair...why should Shep's plumbing matter? But that's just me.

[ERJAK2]

Mordigan wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

One last troll from me, your about as smart as a box of nails arn't you, I WANT this thread to keep going, you keep saying you don't, yet you troll and spam it in an attempt to get responses, which, perpetuates it, your the one that's ruining your own logic...

LOL, and you're as smart as a block of osmium.

These threads will keep appearing/going regardless of whether I reply to them or not because it is obviously a contentious issue, and gay pushers are constantly spamming the forums with these threads..

The reason why I reply, is to let Bioware know there is an opposing side to the issue and it's not all just "rainbow flag" waving..

There is only an opposing side because there is a "wave the gay flag" flag side, there is only a wave the gay flag side because it was not included in the game. Let's say that Kasumi comes out and is bisexual, or even better a lesbian, all these posts go bye-bye because for the most part "gay flag wavers" are happy. Which is sad that that small of a concession would be all it takes but it's true.

Oh, and http://tvtropes.org/...Main/BrokenBase, just saying.

[Mordigan]

Wakara Pezi wrote...

Then why do we need m/f ones in every game? I say take out all romances...

Thats a bogus equivalency arguement.  Heterosexuality and homosexuality aren't equal, under any circumstances..

[jlb524]

ReggarBlane wrote...

This is for the extremists out there. (That's not most of you having civil discussions here.)
If someone writes a story for a character basis where that character is not gay, who are we to change it? Why must that straight character be made gay? Whose story is it and who's telling it anyhow? We play their story the way they tell it.
The idea that they must make an option to have their straight character be optionally gay is still the same thing. Their story. Their storytelling.
Does this mean they can't make stories that include gay storylines? Of course it doesn't. They already have such stories and will likely have more.
Does this mean they must make the characters they designed as straight have the option to be gay? No. Why should they? We come back to why it is so important to take their story and make a fundamental change to one of their characters.
Leave the gay storylines for gay characters. Not every character (main or supporting) must be optionally gay (and inversely, not always bisexual as the alternative to straight). Sheesh!

Shepard's not gay/straight/bi because of the desires of the writers.  It's up to the player what their Shepard's sexuality is.

[Wakara Pezi]

octoberfire wrote...

Mordigan, you are a broken record. Go troll somewhere else.

And this is why we can never have one thread in peace. It's jackasses like you who hijack them and then steer the discussion into real world problems.

On topic: I wonder how this fling with Kelly works.

I totally agree about the trolls.

[ERJAK2]

jselene wrote...

Hey! I like "regular" romances, too! And same-sex ones. Romance for everybody!

Anyway, what baffles me about the straight-only-ness of ME2's romances is embodied by Garrus. If you can get past the fleshiness, the absence of mandibles, and all the excess of hair...why should Shep's plumbing matter? But that's just me.

The same with Tali and the absence of environmental suit and strange number of fingers.

[Revan312]

Mordigan wrote...

LOL, and you're as smart as a block of osmium.

These threads will keep appearing/going regardless of whether I reply to them or not because it is obviously a contentious issue..

The reason why I reply, is to let Bioware know there is an opposing side to the issue and it's not all just "rainbow flag" waving..

You started your foray into this thread by saying you reported this thread for spam, yet what have you contributed to the original topic? Nothing, all you've done is troll and all I've done is respond to your innane and ridiculous posts.

Your a walking talking hypocrisy and one that looooves to have attention thrown at him by anyone whether they hate you or not.  I'm done with you, but you really have to be the most insufferable person on these boards, so, you've won in your mission of trolling, good job Mordigan, +1 to you.

Back ON TOPIC, does anyone know whether or not this game will be a little more mod friendly?  I'm gonna assume no but maybe, just maybe they'll throw us modders a bone and allow us to open the coding up a bit, I could solve a lot of the problems we have right away if it's the case...

[Chained_Creator]

RogueAI wrote...

I don't get why all these gays (and no, I'm not using it as a derogatory term) want to push their agenda into everything. Also, why is it that they always play the victim? They can't get into a decent argument so they fall back to the "we are persecuted" mentality."

It couldn't possibly be because they are persecuted or are actually victims. No, of course not.

[RogueAI]

Returnpolicy wrote...

RogueAI wrote...

lol at the hypocrites. You say that the regular romances suck, and then turn around to say you want same-sex romances.

Pretty pathetic. It is as if you are looking for a way to be offended.

I refer you to my post at http://social.biowar...39997/10#743301 for more details however here is an extract of the arguments on why romances are important:

"The argument that making part of the *6* romances available for same-sex romance is a waste of resources is ridiculous: why bother with *any* romance at all in that case? We all know the answer: because we and Bioware know that this adds to the game and makes it easier to identify with and invest in one's own characters and the NPCs we interact with. This leads to greater immersion which in turn translates to a higher appreciation of the game and, by extension, its creators, which translates to more $$$ for future Bioware titles. So given that heterosexual romance is very handsomely catered for in Mass Effect 2 why spurn a significant portion of gamers?"

You didn't even answer my question and instead just brought
up a random paragraph that has nothing to do with what I just aid. Broccoli
has a higher IQ than you do.



My point still stands until someone is able to actually refute it with a proper
argument.

Modifié par RogueAI, 25 janvier 2010 - 12:18 .

[Kalfear]

Zoe Dedweth wrote...

ok, ok - so your saying they should do it. So your dozen or so threads have been locked, which means that someone who locked all of them saw that they *should* put in gay romance in the next ME. That means your point has been brought across successfully - HOORAY no more threads.

3 cheers for common sense

[Mordigan]

ManBearPig91 wrote...
For a long time I thought these forums had a disproportionately large/active homosexual community. I realize now that this is just straight male gamers in search of "******" material.

Damn you Liara T'Soni!!!! what have you unleashed upon us?!

QFT.. A lot of these guys are just looking for new ways to ****** it seems.

[MassFrost]

jlb524 wrote...

RogueAI wrote...

Still, romances are optional. You don't have to do them. I'm sure their are pedaphiles who would want to have romances with little kids, doesn't mean that developers have to put it.

Too many perverts on these forums.

You miss the point.  Yes the straight romances are optional but people who like gay romance don't even get the option.  Straight people do.  It's not fair.

And you can't possibly be comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. 

Just some news for you, a lot of things in life aren't fair. If you go around playing the victim everytime you feel slighted over something you probably won't get too far.

[ERJAK2]

Mordigan wrote...

Wakara Pezi wrote...

Then why do we need m/f ones in every game? I say take out all romances...

Thats a bogus equivalency arguement.  Heterosexuality and homosexuality aren't equal, under any circumstances..

So what your saying is that you support the inclusion of gay romance as long as the number of straight characters is greater then the bi/homosexual ones. I can live with that.

[Chained_Creator]

MassFrost wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

RogueAI wrote...

Still, romances are optional. You don't have to do them. I'm sure their are pedaphiles who would want to have romances with little kids, doesn't mean that developers have to put it.

Too many perverts on these forums.

You miss the point.  Yes the straight romances are optional but people who like gay romance don't even get the option.  Straight people do.  It's not fair.

And you can't possibly be comparing homosexuality to pedophilia. 

Just some news for you, a lot of things in life aren't fair. If you go around playing the victim everytime you feel slighted over something you probably won't get too far.

Wow, somebody needs to tell the RIAA and MPAA. I mean, really.

[Wakara Pezi]

jlb524 wrote...

They don't force you to do any of the romance just because the content is there.

It is OPTIONAL!!!

They're not going to force me to play any of the crappy hetero romances that they flooded the game with and I will opt not to play them.

Ditto this!

[ERJAK2]

Chained_Creator wrote...

It couldn't possibly be because they are persecuted or are actually victims. No, of course not.

QFT violence against gays is the most publicly acceptable act of hatred at this time.

I wonder if the DLC will do some trickety tricks with the gender checks so I can FINALLY stop typing.

[Mordigan]

ERJAK2 wrote...

So what your saying is that you support the inclusion of gay romance as long as the number of straight characters is greater then the bi/homosexual ones. I can live with that.

The inclusion of gay romances don't bother me, but when people cry about "gay DLC" or making every character bi, I have problems with that.

[ERJAK2]

Mordigan wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

So what your saying is that you support the inclusion of gay romance as long as the number of straight characters is greater then the bi/homosexual ones. I can live with that.

The inclusion of gay romances don't bother me, but when people cry about "gay DLC" or making every character bi, I have problems with that.

I can understand the every character Bi thing, but why the gay DLC? It's even more optional then included romance and acts as a way of taxing people for being what they are. We're basically asking to be oppressed, that's how desperate the situation is.

[Kalfear]

BigGuy28 wrote...

Only two Bioware games that I can think of have had gay/bi characters. Juhani in KotOR was a lesbian and Leliana and Zevran in DA:O were bi, two games is no reason that Mass Effect 2 should have them too. Asari are not females, they may look like it but they are not, fantasize all you like but femShep and Liara was not a lesbian thing. Liara and femShep had just as straight a relationship as male Shep and Liara.

Actually Juhani wasnt a lesbian as there is no homosexuality in Star Wars

You had the gay stuff in Jade Empire and DA:O, those the two games you looking for.

Jade Empire did it right though, you had to actively go looking for it to encounter it, DA:O shoved it in your face like some of these posters want!

Lets make no mistake, most posting here dont give 2 donkey dos about equal rights (well they do butthats not why they posting) Most here want their sexuality in others faces to make them uncomfortable and what not. Its all about flexing your alternative l;ifestyle! I meet many drug users (pot smokers) that much the same way. Smoke it around you and what not just because they know you dont do it.

Oh im sure they all going to proclaim thats not what this about but simple fact is, if this was only about having your say, they did that 10 threads ago. Now its just ego and tempet tantrums. nothing else.

[Arik7]

ReggarBlane wrote...

This is for the extremists out there. (That's not most of you having civil discussions here.)
If someone writes a story for a character basis where that character is not gay, who are we to change it? Why must that straight character be made gay? Whose story is it and who's telling it anyhow? We play their story the way they tell it.
The idea that they must make an option to have their straight character be optionally gay is still the same thing. Their story. Their storytelling.
Does this mean they can't make stories that include gay storylines? Of course it doesn't. They already have such stories and will likely have more.
Does this mean they must make the characters they designed as straight have the option to be gay? No. Why should they? We come back to why it is so important to take their story and make a fundamental change to one of their characters.
Leave the gay storylines for gay characters. Not every character (main or supporting) must be optionally gay (and inversely, not always bisexual as the alternative to straight). Sheesh!

Normally I would agree, but there's usually only 1-3 LIs is a game like this.   People, gay and straight, typically have more than 3 people to chose from in real life.    For that reason, restricting NPCs sexualities would not be productive.     While sexuality may be important to us, it does not define our character.  For example, a gay Kaidan does not have to be any different than a straight Kaidan to be realistic: www.youtube.com/watch

[Returnpolicy]

RogueAI wrote...

You didn't even answer my question and instead just brought
up a random paragraph that has nothing to do with what I just aid. Broccoli
has a higher IQ than you do.


My point still stands until someone is able to actually refute it with a proper
argument.

Keep it civil RogueAI, will you? Thanks.

From where I'm standing you haven't made any argument but merely stated: "lol at the hypocrites. You say that the regular romances suck, and then turn around to say you want same-sex romances.".

It's not clear to me where you got the statement that regular romances suck you didn't specify who you were replying to. My post was to outline some of the arguments for including romances in RPGs (it boils down to it leads to greater immersion).

Seeing that this is a software game where the game behavior can be tailored to cater for a number of alternative playthroughs and experience (remember Bioware's choice motto) it's a small leap to ask that same-sex romance be an option for those who want it while being hidden or unavailble to those who don't if that would make some people less offended than having to avoid any same-sex romance that might be available.

Modifié par Returnpolicy, 25 janvier 2010 - 12:28 .

[ERJAK2]

Kalfear wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Only two Bioware games that I can think of have had gay/bi characters. Juhani in KotOR was a lesbian and Leliana and Zevran in DA:O were bi, two games is no reason that Mass Effect 2 should have them too. Asari are not females, they may look like it but they are not, fantasize all you like but femShep and Liara was not a lesbian thing. Liara and femShep had just as straight a relationship as male Shep and Liara.

Actually Juhani wasnt a lesbian as there is no homosexuality in Star Wars

You had the gay stuff in Jade Empire and DA:O, those the two games you looking for.

Jade Empire did it right though, you had to actively go looking for it to encounter it, DA:O shoved it in your face like some of these posters want!

Lets make no mistake, most posting here dont give 2 donkey dos about equal rights (well they do butthats not why they posting) Most here want their sexuality in others faces to make them uncomfortable and what not. Its all about flexing your alternative l;ifestyle! I meet many drug users (pot smokers) that much the same way. Smoke it around you and what not just because they know you dont do it.

Oh im sure they all going to proclaim thats not what this about but simple fact is, if this was only about having your say, they did that 10 threads ago. Now its just ego and tempet tantrums. nothing else.

Again, Leliana. It was HARD to get her romance if you didn't know how. You don't know our motivations at all, and quite frankly it doesn't matter. 

Why would they create the Asari specifically to be a safe bisexual option and then not include it in the second game?

[Mordigan]

ERJAK2 wrote...

I can understand the every character Bi thing, but why the gay DLC? It's even more optional then included romance and acts as a way of taxing people for being what they are. We're basically asking to be oppressed, that's how desperate the situation is.

Because it's ridiculous for Bioware to cater to such as small/specific audience, when they could better spend their time and resources by adding more missions, expanding the plot line etc which appeals to EVERYONE rather than just the few..

[ERJAK2]

Mordigan wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

I can understand the every character Bi thing, but why the gay DLC? It's even more optional then included romance and acts as a way of taxing people for being what they are. We're basically asking to be oppressed, that's how desperate the situation is.

Because it's ridiculous for Bioware to cater to such as small/specific audience, when they could better spend their time and resources by adding more missions, expanding the plot line etc which appeals to EVERYONE rather than just the few..

But, they already wasted time on stupid stuff, or have you not seen the space hamster or the monkey skeet shoot minigames. Why not put your time into something that SOME members of the community, which considering this is a Bioware game I would put at 20% or so, rather then waste it on space hamsters?

[T1l]

Oh, look, it's THIS thread again.



I honestly prefered it when people would create alien romance threads.