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[Kalfear]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Mordigan wrote...

I've already reported this thread as spam, as well as those in it that constantly use vulgar speech against anyone that has opposing views......which accounts for a large percentage of the gay pushers.

And a much larger percentage of the straight pushers. 

SuZe seems like a character who would be much more open to female advances than she is, I wonder if Bioware did that on purpose.

shes straight, get over it

[ERJAK2]

T1l wrote...

Oh, look, it's THIS thread again.

I honestly prefered it when people would create alien romance threads.

Which is weird, cause that's one of the main reasons these threads get made.

Inclusion=silence

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Kalfear wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Only two Bioware games that I can think of have had gay/bi characters. Juhani in KotOR was a lesbian and Leliana and Zevran in DA:O were bi, two games is no reason that Mass Effect 2 should have them too. Asari are not females, they may look like it but they are not, fantasize all you like but femShep and Liara was not a lesbian thing. Liara and femShep had just as straight a relationship as male Shep and Liara.

Actually Juhani wasnt a lesbian as there is no homosexuality in Star Wars

You had the gay stuff in Jade Empire and DA:O, those the two games you looking for.

Jade Empire did it right though, you had to actively go looking for it to encounter it, DA:O shoved it in your face like some of these posters want!

Lets make no mistake, most posting here dont give 2 donkey dos about equal rights (well they do butthats not why they posting) Most here want their sexuality in others faces to make them uncomfortable and what not. Its all about flexing your alternative l;ifestyle! I meet many drug users (pot smokers) that much the same way. Smoke it around you and what not just because they know you dont do it.

Oh im sure they all going to proclaim thats not what this about but simple fact is, if this was only about having your say, they did that 10 threads ago. Now its just ego and tempet tantrums. nothing else.

I'd RATHER have a more subtle m/m romance option like Sky's, provided it didn't inculded having to alienate the female squad members.

Personally I don't like how the female LI's in bioware games 'shove it in your face' when playing a male character but I know that content isn't aimed at me so I'm not going to write an angry letter to Bioware about it. Unfortunately though, thats the difference here. People are happy to get what they want in a game but still feel like they need to **** all over same-sex people on the rare occassion such an option might be included.

As for your argument about same-sex people posting here to make others 'uncomfortable' and flaunt their sexuality: **** you. You clearly don't know what you're talking about and would rather make assumptions about peoples motivations based on some weird ingrained preconceptions and prejudices you obviously have.

[ERJAK2]

Kalfear wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Mordigan wrote...

I've already reported this thread as spam, as well as those in it that constantly use vulgar speech against anyone that has opposing views......which accounts for a large percentage of the gay pushers.

And a much larger percentage of the straight pushers. 

SuZe seems like a character who would be much more open to female advances than she is, I wonder if Bioware did that on purpose.

shes straight, get over it

She's fictional.

[Maria Caliban]

Kalfear wrote...

shes straight, get over it

She's bisexual, but she'll only accept advances from DudeShep.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 25 janvier 2010 - 12:37 .

[ERJAK2]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

shes straight, get over it

She's bisexual, but she'll only accept advances from DudeShep.

Which is even wierder because you'd think boning the greatest hero in the galaxy would be a cool story no matter what the gender.

[Eternal Dust]

Mordigan wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

I can understand the every character Bi thing, but why the gay DLC? It's even more optional then included romance and acts as a way of taxing people for being what they are. We're basically asking to be oppressed, that's how desperate the situation is.

Because it's ridiculous for Bioware to cater to such as small/specific audience, when they could better spend their time and resources by adding more missions, expanding the plot line etc which appeals to EVERYONE rather than just the few..

And who says that you can't add a mission and expand the plot in the same DLC?

[jlb524]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

shes straight, get over it

She's bisexual, but she'll only accept advances from DudeShep.

Which is even wierder because you'd think boning the greatest hero in the galaxy would be a cool story no matter what the gender.

Maybe Jack just doesn't like women that are more bada** than her?  That's the only reason I could bull out of my bum.

[T1l]

ERJAK2 wrote...

T1l wrote...

Oh, look, it's THIS thread again.

I honestly prefered it when people would create alien romance threads.

Which is weird, cause that's one of the main reasons these threads get made.

Inclusion=silence

No. These threads and others like it are made because people want what they can't have. I'm convinced of it. You don't want this stuff included for some higher purpose, for some altruistic ideal, you want it because you currently don't have it - game, market, demographic, development, and story be damned; and you won't shut up about it until you get it. Garrus and Tali fans wouldn't shut up about it, either, and they eventually got what they wanted... and for what? An arbitrary cut-scene and four sentences of "Dawww".

If it seriously means that much to you, I think you need to reconsider your station - this isn't the end of the world.

I called it a year ago – once people get what they want they’ll just move on and complain about something else. People will never shut up, or be happy. Ever.

[ERJAK2]

jlb524 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

shes straight, get over it

She's bisexual, but she'll only accept advances from DudeShep.

Which is even wierder because you'd think boning the greatest hero in the galaxy would be a cool story no matter what the gender.

Maybe Jack just doesn't like women that are more bada** than her?  That's the only reason I could bull out of my bum.

Makes sense, especially seeing what Femshep looks like in her armor. She's freaking built in this game. 

[rjeid]

ANOTHER thread? Well, I'll support this one too, despite the homophobes constantly complaining about it because they're afraid of owning a game that gives people a same-sex option. Oh no, can't be caught loving a game that gives us the option, then people might think THEY support it!11

My FemShep wants Tali.

Modifié par rjeid, 25 janvier 2010 - 12:45 .

[Agamo45]

Another thread? Gay romances arent in the game GET OVER IT.

[rjeid]

T1l wrote...
If it seriously means that much to you, I think you need to reconsider your station - this isn't the end of the world.

If these threads seriously mean that much to you, take your own advice.

I called it a year ago – once people get what they want they’ll just move on and complain about something else. People will never shut up, or be happy. Ever.

Ever think that some of these current "complainers" aren't people who were complaining before? Unless you mean "people" as in "the human race", in which case... no ****.

[rjeid]

Agamo45 wrote...

Another thread? Gay romances arent in the game GET OVER IT.

K. Go make a better thread please.

[Returnpolicy]

Mordigan wrote...

Because it's ridiculous for Bioware to cater to such as small/specific audience, when they could better spend their time and resources by adding more missions, expanding the plot line etc which appeals to EVERYONE rather than just the few..

This is a disingeneous argument. Romance is included by Bioware specifically because it's a) entertaining and just as importantly  it heightens immersion for a large proportion of gamers (judging from the popularity of the various romance threads in these forums as well as the old Bioware ones) and therefore is an integral part of the plotline.

Which is why Bioware has included no less than *6* opposite sex romances which represents a not insignificant part of game-play, judging from the threads where some players who managed to get their hands on the game ahead of the official date report that potential romances play differently depending on renegade or paragon choices.

Where do you get the idea that the people arguing for the inclusion of at least a same-sex romance for each gender are a minority? I recall a recent poll on these forums which showed that the proportion of male gamers playing femsheps and female gamers playing male sheps taken together was higher than the proportion of females and male gamers playing characters of their own sex. It is not a far-stretch to believe that many of the opposite sex Shepards would be in favor of bisexual romance options. Taken together with male and female homosexual gamers this represents a significant proportion of the player base.

The people in favor of same-sex romance seem to be made up of 3 groups with overlapping interests:
- homosexual gamers who want the chance afforded to heterosexuals to pursue a fictional romance they can identify with;
- male and female gamers who prefer to experience the game with an opposite sex character but wish to retain the possibility to romance according to their sexual orientation;
- gamers at large who while not having a strong opinion on same-sex or opposite-sex romance, do enjoy the possibility to tailor their character as they see fit and who recognize that the ability to experience *content* outside of the usual pattern adds to choice and hence replayability.

Modifié par Returnpolicy, 25 janvier 2010 - 12:51 .

[ERJAK2]

rjeid wrote...

ANOTHER thread? Well, I'll support this one too, despite the homophobes constantly complaining about it because they're afraid of owning a game that gives people a same-sex option. Oh no, can't be caught loving a game that gives us the option, then people might think THEY support it!11

My FemShep wants Tali.

Mine TOO!!! 

And tbh I'm sick of creating new threads too, but it seems like we're getting better at ignoring antagonism and the haters are bored now, so this should be the last one that needs to be made. 

Go KATSUMI BE BI!!! YAY!!!

[rjeid]

Returnpolicy wrote...

Mordigan wrote...

Because it's ridiculous for Bioware to cater to such as small/specific audience, when they could better spend their time and resources by adding more missions, expanding the plot line etc which appeals to EVERYONE rather than just the few..

This is a disingeneous argument. Romance is included by Bioware specifically because it's a) entertaining and just as importantly  it heightens immersion for a large proportion of gamers (judging from the popularity of the various romance threads in these forums as well as the old Bioware ones) and therefore is an integral part of the plotline.

Which is why Bioware has included no less than *6* opposite sex romances which represents a not insignificant part of game-play, judging from the threads where some players who managed to get their hands on the game ahead of the official date report that potential romances play differently depending on renegade or paragon choices.

Where do you get the idea that the people arguing for the inclusion of at least a same-sex romance for each gender are a minority? I recall a recent poll on these forums which showed that the proportion of male gamers playing femsheps and female gamers playing male sheps taken together was higher than the proportion of females and male gamers playing characters of their own sex. It is not a far-stretch to believe that many of the opposite sex Shepards would be in favor of bisexual romance options. Taken together with male and female homosexual gamers this represents a significant proportion of the player base.

The people in favor of same-sex romance seem to be made up of 3 groups with overlapping interests:
- homosexual gamers who want the chance afforded to heterosexuals to pursue a fictional romance they can identify with;
- male and female gamers who prefer to experience the game with an opposite sex character but wish to retain the possibility to romance the opposite sex;
- gamers at large who while not having a strong opinion on same-sex or opposite-sex romance, do enjoy the possibility to tailor their character as they see fit and who recognize that the ability to experience *content* outside of the usual pattern adds to choice and hence replayability.

Very very well put. Thank you for bringing intelligence to this discussion, as well as the ability to think rationally. Really, thank you.

[T1l]

rjeid wrote...

T1l wrote...
If it seriously means that much to you, I think you need to reconsider your station - this isn't the end of the world.

If these threads seriously mean that much to you, take your own advice.

I'd agree with you, but only if I resorted to 50 threads of me saying "Whingers suck" a day. Which I don't, yet the gay community incessantly seems to be doing. To be fair, I don't mind if there's a gay option in the game - I really don't. More power to you. Just, for the love of God, stop sh!tting the forums up with a million threads about it.

[Shepfan17]

Returnpolicy wrote...

Mordigan wrote...

Because it's ridiculous for Bioware to cater to such as small/specific audience, when they could better spend their time and resources by adding more missions, expanding the plot line etc which appeals to EVERYONE rather than just the few..

This is a disingeneous argument. Romance is included by Bioware specifically because it's a) entertaining and just as importantly  it heightens immersion for a large proportion of gamers (judging from the popularity of the various romance threads in these forums as well as the old Bioware ones) and therefore is an integral part of the plotline.

Which is why Bioware has included no less than *6* opposite sex romances which represents a not insignificant part of game-play, judging from the threads where some players who managed to get their hands on the game ahead of the official date report that potential romances play differently depending on renegade or paragon choices.

Where do you get the idea that the people arguing for the inclusion of at least a same-sex romance for each gender are a minority? I recall a recent poll on these forums which showed that the proportion of male gamers playing femsheps and female gamers playing male sheps taken together was higher than the proportion of females and male gamers playing characters of their own sex. It is not a far-stretch to believe that many of the opposite sex Shepards would be in favor of bisexual romance options. Taken together with male and female homosexual gamers this represents a significant proportion of the player base.

The people in favor of same-sex romance seem to be made up of 3 groups with overlapping interests:
- homosexual gamers who want the chance afforded to heterosexuals to pursue a fictional romance they can identify with;
- male and female gamers who prefer to experience the game with an opposite sex character but wish to retain the possibility to romance according to their sexual orientation;
- gamers at large who while not having a strong opinion on same-sex or opposite-sex romance, do enjoy the possibility to tailor their character as they see fit and who recognize that the ability to experience *content* outside of the usual pattern adds to choice and hence replayability.

I agree with this. I'm in the third group interest category.

[jlb524]

T1l wrote...

I'd agree with you, but only if I resorted to 50 threads of me saying "Whingers suck" a day. Which I don't, yet the gay community incessantly seems to be doing. To be fair, I don't mind if there's a gay option in the game - I really don't. More power to you. Just, for the love of God, stop sh!tting the forums up with a million threads about it.

50 threads!?!  There is only one active thread right now.  All the others were locked.

[Bigeyez]

Go play Jade Empire if you want same sex romances.

Edit: For an actual response from me about this topic check one of the 16261548316825368281 threads already opened.

Modifié par Bigeyez, 25 janvier 2010 - 12:55 .

[rjeid]

T1l wrote...

I'd agree with you, but only if I resorted to 50 threads of me saying "Whingers suck" a day. Which I don't, yet the gay community incessantly seems to be doing. To be fair, I don't mind if there's a gay option in the game - I really don't. More power to you. Just, for the love of God, stop sh!tting the forums up with a million threads about it.

I apologize for sniping with my comment. I'll be honest, I also find it annoying that so many different threads get made about this topic. I find it frustrating that they all seem to be trolled constantly, as well. But I will continue to post in every thread I see about it so that Bioware (if they even read the threads) know that my support (and desire) for such an option will not wane.

I don't know what else to say now.

[rjeid]

Bigeyez wrote...

Go play Jade Empire if you want same sex romances.

Edit: For an actual response from me about this topic check one of the 16261548316825368281 threads already opened.

Some of us have played Jade Empire. Some of us find it to be incredibly short. Some of us might say "Go play [random-****-shooter #44] if you don't want romance in your video game."

[Returnpolicy]

rjeid wrote...

T1l wrote...

I'd agree with you, but only if I resorted to 50 threads of me saying "Whingers suck" a day. Which I don't, yet the gay community incessantly seems to be doing. To be fair, I don't mind if there's a gay option in the game - I really don't. More power to you. Just, for the love of God, stop sh!tting the forums up with a million threads about it.

I apologize for sniping with my comment. I'll be honest, I also find it annoying that so many different threads get made about this topic. I find it frustrating that they all seem to be trolled constantly, as well. But I will continue to post in every thread I see about it so that Bioware (if they even read the threads) know that my support (and desire) for such an option will not wane.

I don't know what else to say now.

Well said  Rjeid  Many of the previous threads turned into trollfests and were locked. The topic is not going to die because it is a subject of on-going interest to many gamers.