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[Lord Jaric]

PiercedMonk wrote...

Livemmo wrote...

Stop forcing your homosexual ideas and oppinions down our throat. I dont care if you're gay but just stop forcing this crap on our media. this isnt just about games its being done on movies and music too.

What's that? People would like to have situations they're able to relate to from a personal perspective represented in entertainment they enjoy?

How dare they! The very gall!

Also, this business of displaying affection for one another in public needs to end. Quite frankly, it's obscene and offends me, and, as a heterosexual, white, Christian male, I feel it is the responsibility of everyone else to cater to my whims and desires. That method has got humanity to this point, so it seems to be working just fine to me.

You there, with the higher melanin count, shouldn't you be off the internet and performing some sort of menial job? And you, the individual cursed to never know the joys of having a Y-Chromosome, you know it wouldn't hurt if you were to show a little bit more skin. Also, I'd like a pie. And you, yes you, with the depraved sexual practices that fall outside my narrow minded, socially reinforced, hetero-normative view of human sexuality, couldn't you just, y'know, pretend to be hetero? Or, at the very least, never, ever mention the fact that you're not?

There, I think we'll all find things opperate a lot smoother if everyone simply conforms to my ideas on this matter. And don't worry about being happy. I'll be happy, and you can experiance trickle-down happiness, just like in any proper economy.

damn I wish I had more then two thumbs, you would be getting alot of thumbs up.

[ERJAK2]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Wakara Pezi wrote...

muse108 wrote...

To be honest, I do not think its needed or even a good idea to have any same sex relationships, with the exceptions of the asari but they are mono sex aliens. There are far far too many reasons to not have it, and very few to have it (and saying you want it is not a good reason)

Well, they shouldn't have m/f relationships then either.

Because of the majority of the world is straight i really think they should dude

And we agree, but there are plenty of reasons not to have them included in ANY videogame. That's not even talking about the Alien romances involved in the ME2 universe, so yeah...

[Wakara Pezi]

Livemmo wrote...

keeheen wrote...

Wakara Pezi wrote...

muse108 wrote...

To be honest, I do not think its needed or even a good idea to have any same sex relationships, with the exceptions of the asari but they are mono sex aliens. There are far far too many reasons to not have it, and very few to have it (and saying you want it is not a good reason)

Well, they shouldn't have m/f relationships then either.

Where the babies come from then..... WHERE!!!!

obviously the homosexual stork.

LOL

[Traumacrazy]

Wakara Pezi wrote...

Livemmo wrote...

keeheen wrote...

Wakara Pezi wrote...

muse108 wrote...

To be honest, I do not think its needed or even a good idea to have any same sex relationships, with the exceptions of the asari but they are mono sex aliens. There are far far too many reasons to not have it, and very few to have it (and saying you want it is not a good reason)

Well, they shouldn't have m/f relationships then either.

Where the babies come from then..... WHERE!!!!

obviously the homosexual stork.

LOL

oh god that was perfect

hahaha:O

Modifié par Traumacrazy, 25 janvier 2010 - 04:12 .

[ERJAK2]

Wakara Pezi wrote...

Livemmo wrote...

keeheen wrote...

Wakara Pezi wrote...

muse108 wrote...

To be honest, I do not think its needed or even a good idea to have any same sex relationships, with the exceptions of the asari but they are mono sex aliens. There are far far too many reasons to not have it, and very few to have it (and saying you want it is not a good reason)

Well, they shouldn't have m/f relationships then either.

Where the babies come from then..... WHERE!!!!

obviously the homosexual stork.

LOL

Ya know, I hope he keeps coming back, I'm getting really good at this whole "civilized argument based strongly in the gameplay so we don't get locked" thing.

[Chained_Creator]

ERJAK2 wrote...
Though I agree with the sentiment, please try to include direct examples from gameplay whereever possible in your response to minimize the likelyhood of being lockeddown.

Upset with one of the mods, huh?

[Sphynx118]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Wakara Pezi wrote...

muse108 wrote...

To be honest, I do not think its needed or even a good idea to have any same sex relationships, with the exceptions of the asari but they are mono sex aliens. There are far far too many reasons to not have it, and very few to have it (and saying you want it is not a good reason)

Well, they shouldn't have m/f relationships then either.

Because of the majority of the world is straight i really think they should dude

And we agree, but there are plenty of reasons not to have them included in ANY videogame. That's not even talking about the Alien romances involved in the ME2 universe, so yeah...

So you guys point is that if you cant then nobody should? Well thats..mature  Its like breaking a toy in kindergarten just cuz you couldnt play with it yourself

[handheld]

Mordigan wrote...

handheld wrote...

handheld again thinks its a choice if one wishes to become attracted to males or feels they are more attracted to males then it is there choice to become gay they do not have to they choose to.

Do you think you could make a "choice" to be gay?  I know I sure as hell couldn't..

Also Handheld thinks you can post as many links and articles you wish it doesnt change the fact that you called homosexuals a minority which is completely and utterly incorrect

Then show me evidence that supports your notion that homosexuals constitute a greater percentage of the human population.

Handheld asks you to remember that the entire state of california had a debate about whether to allow homosexual marriages and Handheld saw that over 2 million homosexual people raised there voices in response to the gay bashers and religious folk.

Handheld thinks that 2 million people is not a minority especially in a state where about over 30 to 35 million people live.

You have a strange view of what constitutes a minority then..

Reputable studies suggest that the GLBT population in the U.S is around 2 to 4%.. 

In California, it's probably slightly higher than the rest of the nation because that state is supposedly the most progressive state in the Union, and gays flock there; much like they do to San Francisco.

Handheld thinks that you completely ignored his post Handheld did not say they are the majority Handheld say they just arent a minority Handheld thinks that next time perhaps you should read and comprehend his post before you say something dumb as you have.


Handheld thinks that if he really wanted to date men he could However Handheld is content with women.

Handheld thinks its obvious that you are nothing but a forum ogre and a gay hater and if that is the case then all your opinions are biased and hold no merit. Handheld asks that you take your ogreish ways and direct them to the westboro baptist church webstite.

[Revan312]

Ethan009 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...
Hale recorded dialogue for ashley being an LI as well, here's that vid www.youtube.com/watch , also cut <_<

and she doesn't even turn into a man during the sex scene.

Damnit Bioware!

As I've said before, I'm reeaallyy hoping the pcc files are crackable this time without an army of scientists as I could make those scenes happen anyway in ME2 most likely.. I imagine they're just gender checks like the first game and that the dialogue is as ambiguous as the first concerning gender.  If so, easily modded to allow, even better if theres dialogue hidden in the files like the vids show above, then I could really make a proper same sex romance...

[Chained_Creator]

Revan312 wrote...
As I've said before, I'm reeaallyy hoping the pcc files are crackable this time without an army of scientists as I could make those scenes happen anyway in ME2 most likely.. I imagine they're just gender checks like the first game and that the dialogue is as ambiguous as the first concerning gender.  If so, easily modded to allow, even better if theres dialogue hidden in the files like the vids show above, then I could really make a proper same sex romance...

If it can be made, it can be cracked! (It's all just a matter of how badly you want it, and how willing you are to do, uhm...yeah, I should really stop here.)

[ERJAK2]

Sphynx118 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Wakara Pezi wrote...

muse108 wrote...

To be honest, I do not think its needed or even a good idea to have any same sex relationships, with the exceptions of the asari but they are mono sex aliens. There are far far too many reasons to not have it, and very few to have it (and saying you want it is not a good reason)

Well, they shouldn't have m/f relationships then either.

Because of the majority of the world is straight i really think they should dude

And we agree, but there are plenty of reasons not to have them included in ANY videogame. That's not even talking about the Alien romances involved in the ME2 universe, so yeah...

So you guys point is that if you cant then nobody should? Well thats..mature  Its like breaking a toy in kindergarten just cuz you couldnt play with it yourself

Not what we're saying, the first guy was making a post based in almost no logic, so the second guy tried to make a hyperbolic statement that would drive the point home. I think that the Heterosexual romances should be included most definitely, regardless of what we get. But I also think we should get something, especially with TWELVE characters in your squad(counting Zaeed and possible Katsumi)

[lewis1306]

ERJAK2 wrote...

ShakenBac0n wrote...

I think everybody's just making too much of a big deal about it. Yes it's 2010 and all, but it doesn't mean that Bioware is OBLIGED to put same sex romance in ME2. But pushing for something like this, doesn't anybody agree with me that it's making a big deal about nothing? It's just a game for christ sake!

Don't get me wrong, I think that gays should have the right to be equal, and they have the right to fight for their rights. But you gotta draw the line somewhere.

Bottom line: it's Bioware's choice whether or not they want to include same sex romance. Just because they aren't doesn't make them homophobic.

And I agree, however this is the first time they HAVEN"T included same sex romance since KOTOR, and pushing for it is what got the Tali/Garrus options included, so we really have no choice. 

We have been shown by Bioware that Silence=screwed over and threads=possible inclusion.

ERJAK2,

I understand what you are saying here... but there's just one problem with that. If the point that you are making is that Bioware takes these forums into strong concideration when making decisions about thier games then you shouldn't overlook the fact that most of the "same sex romance support" forums have more anti same sex posts on them than they have posts of support.

with the Garrius and the Tali love forums, there was almost unanimous support. everone was on the same page. there were pages and pages of nothing but "i love Tali" and "I love Garrus" posts. out of 100 posts on either the "Tali love" or the "garruis love" forums at least 99 where "i would love to romance Tali/garruis" posts.

contrast that with the various "same sex romance support" forums... a majority of the posts are either: indifferent, anti same sex romance, or flamewars/argument posts.

I am not a hater and it wouldn't bother me at all to have some Bisexual lovin' going on in the mass effect universe... all i'm saying is that if bioware were actually looking at these forums to help them decide whether or not to include same sex romance then it might actually make them LESS inclined to include t hem instead of more.

[Medhia Nox]

I'd love to be there the next time some of you are at the counter of some store complaining about some injustice you believe has been done to you as a consumer. Just so I can tell you to shut up and stop whining - because the majority of people in the store don't care about your problem.



Truth is - we don't know what Bioware will do for "us" concerning relationships in Mass Effect. It is disappointing hearing from them how relevant romances (not sex - for crying out loud) are in Mass Effect. If they're so important - the words of the developers - then why am I being excluded from an important part of the game.



If they want to exclude me - that is their right. I'm not arguing that. But - if this is a future trend (and it has NOT been a trend with their games and general philsophy) I will have to consider staying away from their games. It is the only way to get a company to listen.



I do NOT want to do this - and I will, no matter what, be doing this with Mass Effect. I don't even have a reason to be completely unhappy with the ME universe as the books do have elements that appeal to me. Even a possible main character in the book series future.



Bioware is a company that has included us in a great many things - but we do not want to go silent when they "test the waters" and exclude us from one. They might believe that there is simply no interest (as some of you would want) - but that would be untrue. There is a great deal of interest (and support, by those who are not interested in persuing such relationships).



Shepard may go through his story without being gay (he is in mine: Loner, Gay, Badass - as previously stated) - but I will not be okay with this as a trend for future games. I want that to be known - as a consumer.

[AlanC9]

Livemmo wrote...

you're fighting over gay rights in a video game or media and it makes no sense. why dont u go stand up for rights that matter instead of infecting our tv and other media with this crap. go be gay go throw parades and run around all happy picking flowers i dont care. i just dont wish to partake in any of it and that includes my media.

Here we see the real issue. Livemmo and such have pretty much lost IRL, and are hoping for a refuge from all those creepy gays in their media, so at least they can cocoon up and avoid the real world. Let's be honest -- including gay romance content along with straight romance content will inflict real damage on these people, since from Livemmo's posts it's pretty obvious that he doesn't even like being reminded that gays exist. That's a shame, but it's their problem, not ours.

One question is whether Bio should care about offending them. I don't see why. They're a minority, and declining, and ticking them off doesn't seem to be particularly hazardous to game sales.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that Bio should go out of their way to include gay characters. I don't think Bio did that with Zevran, who made perfect sense the way he was. Having not payed ME2, I'm not in any position to judge whether more flexible sexuality would have made sense for any of the romanceable characters there. Maybe we should reconvene the thread in a week?

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 janvier 2010 - 04:28 .

[Chained_Creator]

Ethan009 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Ethan009 wrote...

Revan312 wrote...
Hale recorded dialogue for ashley being an LI as well, here's that vid www.youtube.com/watch , also cut <_<

and she doesn't even turn into a man during the sex scene.

Damnit Bioware!

As I've said before, I'm reeaallyy hoping the pcc files are crackable this time without an army of scientists as I could make those scenes happen anyway in ME2 most likely.. I imagine they're just gender checks like the first game and that the dialogue is as ambiguous as the first concerning gender.  If so, easily modded to allow, even better if theres dialogue hidden in the files like the vids show above, then I could really make a proper same sex romance...

Time for a new PC. My pathetic intel chip isn't cutting it.

despite the fact that it can run Cysis.

Very poor I might add but still.

Pardon me, but holy f***. I didn't think Intel made anything that could run Crysis under any circumstances. Wow. Intel +1. Even though they still fail.

[rjeid]

Sphynx118 wrote...
So you guys point is that if you cant then nobody should? Well thats..mature  Its like breaking a toy in kindergarten just cuz you couldnt play with it yourself

Well... its more like "You did it in multiple previous games, you had it in the previous Mass Effect, but now you don't have ANY?? Why are the ones we can relate to the ones that got removed?"

There are twice as many (guessing) romances in this one as the previous one, and absolutely none of them appear to be same-sex. There were 3 same-sex in ME1 (Liara+FemShep is lesbian, its true its true) but none this time?

The reasons the "opposition" keeps using arguments like:

1. Its immoral
1a: Yet they've done it in multiple other games, including their most recent prior to ME2.

2. Shepard is just straight, deal with it.
2a. Except they've written, animated, and recorded same-sex scenes (MaleShep+Kaidan, FemShep+Ashley) for ME1, but disabled them.

3. Romance isn't a big part of the game anyway!
3a. Sure, that's why Bioware increased the amount of LIs since the previous installment. Mixed signals here...

4. Stop forcing it down our throats!
4a. Nobody is forcing anything. We're trying to show Bioware that a same-sex romance is sorely sought after by many, for many reasons. My FemShep wants Tali, damnit.

etc. etc.

[DPSSOC]

Ok just as a thought perhaps Bioware omitted same sex relations because they wanted to avoid stepping on some rather touchy toes? One thing people need to realize, and this may sound strange, is that Mass Effect is more real than Dragon Age was. Allow me to explain; Dragon Age has absolutely no ties to our world, it takes place in a country on a planet in a universe that doesn't exist which means a lot of things can slide. Mass Effect on the other hand does have ties to the real world. It is very clearly stated that the game takes place in our future (same countries, same planet, same history, same universe) which means issues touched on by the game hit a little closer to home. Shepard is an officer in the military and, like it or not, gays in the military is a touchy subject for many people. So perhaps Bioware simply wanted to avoid touching on a subject that a lot of people take issue with.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 25 janvier 2010 - 04:22 .

[Maugrim]

handheld wrote...Handheld thinks that if he really wanted to date men he could However Handheld is content with women.

Handheld thinks its obvious that you are nothing but a forum ogre and a gay hater and if that is the case then all your opinions are biased and hold no merit. Handheld asks that you take your ogreish ways and direct them to the westboro baptist church webstite.

If makenzieshepard may submit that as awesome as handheld is a gay handheld would be too much awesome and fabulousness for the world to handle.

[ERJAK2]

lewis1306 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

ShakenBac0n wrote...

I think everybody's just making too much of a big deal about it. Yes it's 2010 and all, but it doesn't mean that Bioware is OBLIGED to put same sex romance in ME2. But pushing for something like this, doesn't anybody agree with me that it's making a big deal about nothing? It's just a game for christ sake!

Don't get me wrong, I think that gays should have the right to be equal, and they have the right to fight for their rights. But you gotta draw the line somewhere.

Bottom line: it's Bioware's choice whether or not they want to include same sex romance. Just because they aren't doesn't make them homophobic.

And I agree, however this is the first time they HAVEN"T included same sex romance since KOTOR, and pushing for it is what got the Tali/Garrus options included, so we really have no choice. 

We have been shown by Bioware that Silence=screwed over and threads=possible inclusion.

ERJAK2,

I understand what you are saying here... but there's just one problem with that. If the point that you are making is that Bioware takes these forums into strong concideration when making decisions about thier games then you shouldn't overlook the fact that most of the "same sex romance support" forums have more anti same sex posts on them than they have posts of support.

with the Garrius and the Tali love forums, there was almost unanimous support. everone was on the same page. there were pages and pages of nothing but "i love Tali" and "I love Garrus" posts. out of 100 posts on either the "Tali love" or the "garruis love" forums at least 99 where "i would love to romance Tali/garruis" posts.

contrast that with the various "same sex romance support" forums... a majority of the posts are either: indifferent, anti same sex romance, or flamewars/argument posts.

I am not a hater and it wouldn't bother me at all to have some Bisexual lovin' going on in the mass effect universe... all i'm saying is that if bioware were actually looking at these forums to help them decide whether or not to include same sex romance then it might actually make them LESS inclined to include t hem instead of more.

I understand that, but if you've noticed this forum has become much more civil recently and is still more civil than the return of ME1 love interests threads. Once the trolls get bored they will stop coming, and that only leaves people who have some personal issue with homosexuality, at which point the arguments are much less valid and give us a chance to use gameplay issue and Biowares set precedents in our arguments against their disinclusion.

Beyond that, what are we supposed to do? Go door to door and make a petition? This is our only option. 

[Medhia Nox]

It's a touchy subject for the American military - which, the System's Alliance is not.



((Minor Book Spoiler))



Actually, there's every indictation that India is a major world power in the Mass Effect universe - but no mention of America. Pitty.

[Sphynx118]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Wakara Pezi wrote...

muse108 wrote...

To be honest, I do not think its needed or even a good idea to have any same sex relationships, with the exceptions of the asari but they are mono sex aliens. There are far far too many reasons to not have it, and very few to have it (and saying you want it is not a good reason)

Well, they shouldn't have m/f relationships then either.

Because of the majority of the world is straight i really think they should dude

And we agree, but there are plenty of reasons not to have them included in ANY videogame. That's not even talking about the Alien romances involved in the ME2 universe, so yeah...

So you guys point is that if you cant then nobody should? Well thats..mature  Its like breaking a toy in kindergarten just cuz you couldnt play with it yourself

Not what we're saying, the first guy was making a post based in almost no logic, so the second guy tried to make a hyperbolic statement that would drive the point home. I think that the Heterosexual romances should be included most definitely, regardless of what we get. But I also think we should get something, especially with TWELVE characters in your squad(counting Zaeed and possible Katsumi)

I see. That makes perfect sense. Although pushing for it might not work in this case since it attracts alot of trolls/flamers/anti-people.

You could argue that pushing is what made the Tali romance possible but then again it has been stated that bioware already had that idea when making ME 1 but scrapped it due to their beliefs that no one would like it..
 
And the Garrus one is just a fanservice to femsheps since males got Tali. No plans were made for a early Garrus romance

[Eternal Dust]

lewis1306 wrote...
contrast that with the various "same sex romance support" forums... a majority of the posts are either: indifferent, anti same sex romance, or flamewars/argument posts.

I am not a hater and it wouldn't bother me at all to have some Bisexual lovin' going on in the mass effect universe... all i'm saying is that if bioware were actually looking at these forums to help them decide whether or not to include same sex romance then it might actually make them LESS inclined to include t hem instead of more.

Sadly, that's quite true but we don't have any other choice but to persist and hope that the opposition gets bored and the hatred wears off.