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[Mummolus]

Reading comprehension ftl.

I've refrained from insulting you, please try to show the same courtesy.

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are 3 FAITHS I'm not talking about population. >_>

I am. Most of the population of the planet is at least theoretically actively opposed to homosexuality for religious reasons, and as such it's not possible to discuss homosexuality without involving religion.

[MajesticMoose]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...




Indirect comparisons of homosexuals to hitler? We have been Godwin'd ladies and gents.

And what I ACTUALLY meant by that was that I dont condem people based on their actions. Just thought that saying I dont hate hitler might be controversial. Of course you were probably predisposed to say that that was my meaning because of my faith (Im not religious).... I dont really blame you tho, a lot of "christians" really do think that way, just not me.

ANYWAY No more! Im not gonna discuss religion here. The old forum got pretty bad abou it. Not gonna riun this one.

Modifié par MajesticMoose, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:01 .

[Medhia Nox]

Sphynx118 - please stop. Religion is far more than "sky-wizards".



God doesn't have a problem with gays - it's some of the followers that have lost thier way.



End of "that" topic - for me.



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Shepard has many options in the game. From stating that he believes in a deity - to chosing the Council member for humanity - to allowing an alien insect species survive. He also has the option to partake in a romance story (the sex, is irrelevant) which is said to be part of the larger picture of the trilogy.



I will let me disappointment be known when I am left out of the larger story arch that spans the three games. And I can't even say for sure if we are being left out - but I want them to know how I feel about it as much as the Talimancers - the Garrusmancers - or those that didn't want the Mako - or any other consumer.

[BrianWilly]

Ethan009 wrote...

They said that?

LOL

If that was true Liara wouldn't be a discount Lesbian. :innocent:

Yuppers, right here.

[Mummolus]

Let me guess you're a "professor" or "student" or other pointless I know ABC because I'm a XYZ. God I hate these kind of people on the forums, especially since there is no point since you can't prove anything of the sort so please just stop with that right now.

I point out a flaw in your poll so you stereotype me? How very open-minded of you.

[Mummolus]

Like its not possible to discuss abortion without religion?

Go try it sometime.

[ERJAK2]

Mummolus wrote...

No. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are not most of the major faiths in the world. Majority don't care who you screw. >_> Just those religions are the most annoying and loud of them all.

Actually Christians and Muslims combined outnumber all other faiths, with a total of something like 3.6 billion adherents. That means the majority of the population on Earth follows faiths in which homosexuality is condemned. Get your facts straight.

Please do not discuss religion on this board. If you would like to do so read these links.

http://www.soulforce...e-gay-christian
http://www.newsweek.com/id/172653

[lewis1306]

ERJAK2 wrote...

lewis1306 wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

ShakenBac0n wrote...

I think everybody's just making too much of a big deal about it. Yes it's 2010 and all, but it doesn't mean that Bioware is OBLIGED to put same sex romance in ME2. But pushing for something like this, doesn't anybody agree with me that it's making a big deal about nothing? It's just a game for christ sake!

Don't get me wrong, I think that gays should have the right to be equal, and they have the right to fight for their rights. But you gotta draw the line somewhere.

Bottom line: it's Bioware's choice whether or not they want to include same sex romance. Just because they aren't doesn't make them homophobic.

And I agree, however this is the first time they HAVEN"T included same sex romance since KOTOR, and pushing for it is what got the Tali/Garrus options included, so we really have no choice. 

We have been shown by Bioware that Silence=screwed over and threads=possible inclusion.

ERJAK2,

I understand what you are saying here... but there's just one problem with that. If the point that you are making is that Bioware takes these forums into strong concideration when making decisions about thier games then you shouldn't overlook the fact that most of the "same sex romance support" forums have more anti same sex posts on them than they have posts of support.

with the Garrius and the Tali love forums, there was almost unanimous support. everone was on the same page. there were pages and pages of nothing but "i love Tali" and "I love Garrus" posts. out of 100 posts on either the "Tali love" or the "garruis love" forums at least 99 where "i would love to romance Tali/garruis" posts.

contrast that with the various "same sex romance support" forums... a majority of the posts are either: indifferent, anti same sex romance, or flamewars/argument posts.

I am not a hater and it wouldn't bother me at all to have some Bisexual lovin' going on in the mass effect universe... all i'm saying is that if bioware were actually looking at these forums to help them decide whether or not to include same sex romance then it might actually make them LESS inclined to include t hem instead of more.

I understand that, but if you've noticed this forum has become much more civil recently and is still more civil than the return of ME1 love interests threads. Once the trolls get bored they will stop coming, and that only leaves people who have some personal issue with homosexuality, at which point the arguments are much less valid and give us a chance to use gameplay issue and Biowares set precedents in our arguments against their disinclusion.

Beyond that, what are we supposed to do? Go door to door and make a petition? This is our only option. 

well, kiddo...

you have my support at least.

although I think 2 dudes kissing is kinda gross... and I'd hate for my maleshep to get shot down by some hot lesbian 

Despite all of these things Ol' Lew is all about freedom. Zevran was awesome and i think that both malesheps and femsheps should have access to some Justicar bosom.

[Mummolus]

Please do not discuss religion on this board. If you would like to do so read these links.

If you're going to discuss homosexuality ad nauseum, you need to be prepared to discuss religion, because broadly speaking they're in direct opposition to one another. You can't discuss homosexuality and ban people who oppose it from stating their opinions under the blanket of "No religion!"

[ERJAK2]

BrianWilly wrote...

Ethan009 wrote...

They said that?

LOL

If that was true Liara wouldn't be a discount Lesbian. :innocent:

Yuppers, right here.

They may yet prove that article true, though I doubt it.

[Kalfear]

Ethan009 wrote...

Mummolus wrote...

Reading comprehension ftl.

I've refrained from insulting you, please try to show the same courtesy.

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are 3 FAITHS I'm not talking about population. >_>

I am. Most of the population of the planet is at least theoretically actively opposed to homosexuality for religious reasons, and as such it's not possible to discuss homosexuality without involving religion.

Like its not possible to discuss abortion without religion?
Homosexuality can be discussed with out religion just like heterosexuality can. Religion is only a factor when you make it one.

Frankly I hate when people bring religion into a discussion, its a archanic belief system, fundamentally flawed, built on archanic and most often extremely cruel and racist roots.

Ok thats just ignorant

You ask the masses to accept your VASTLY less beleived alternative life style but attack others beleifs as wrong and flawed.

Who are you to make such decisions? I dont recall ever voting for you or empowering you in any way.

[TheBestClass]

The Mass Effect forums are totally the right place to debate the morality of same-sex relations. Politicians, take note.

[Revan312]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Sigh.. yes Tali was loud but that wasnt the reason they (Or should i say I ^^) got what we wanted. Tali was already a planned romance in ME 1 but scrapped since the developers thought she wouldnt be popular. And garrus is just a fanservice to femsheps since the moaning would be insane if the males got Tali and females got nothing

And a gay romance between male shep and Kaiden was planned but cut, and ashley and femshep gay romance was planned but cut.  Look back two pages and you'll see the links...  There was a lot planned for and not implemented.

I will say however that Tali threads were long and constant, Garrus threads were long and constant, both were looked at by the devs for 2 years after ME1's release and considered for the sequal.  Same-sex romancers were silent as most assumed it would be an automatic inclusion in ME2 as it was in every one of their games since JE.  The community was silent because of preconceptions on how Bioware would treat this subject and it was axed most likely because they didn't think there was much support, at least not much vocal support..  Now that there is, and it's obvious that it has worked in the past, these threads will be mainstay, it's just a fact that haters are going to have to deal with. 

I never once entered the Tali or Garrus love threads the entire time I was on the original ME forums or even here, I simply didn't care about the threads.  When I heard they were going to be LI's I was surprised, but I still didn't care and I was actually pleased as it truly did show that Bioware listens to their fan base.  This is a product of Biowares first inclusion of same-sex and now exclusion, you can't give a charity ten dollars and then the next day tell em you want it back, that's what this has always been (at least for me), the principle of the matter and my hope that either the devs 1.) allow modding, 2.) give us something with the new DLC characters or 3.) include such an option in ME3.

The only reason these threads have become flame fests as opposed to the Tali/Garrus threads is because there are always gonna be those 4-5 people that keep trolling...and trolling... and trolling, provoking people constantly whenever this issue arises.  If you look at  who the majority of posters are on these threads it's the same 10 people on both sides with the occasional person coming, posting once, and leaving.  Once the game comes out and most people get what they want, this board will be a lot lonier and for the most part, the only people left really posting a lot are going to be people who want something changed with the game, which will most definately include this subject...

[Sphynx118]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Sphynx118 - please stop. Religion is far more than "sky-wizards".

God doesn't have a problem with gays - it's some of the followers that have lost thier way.

End of "that" topic - for me.

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Shepard has many options in the game. From stating that he believes in a deity - to chosing the Council member for humanity - to allowing an alien insect species survive. He also has the option to partake in a romance story (the sex, is irrelevant) which is said to be part of the larger picture of the trilogy.

I will let me disappointment be known when I am left out of the larger story arch that spans the three games. And I can't even say for sure if we are being left out - but I want them to know how I feel about it as much as the Talimancers - the Garrusmancers - or those that didn't want the Mako - or any other consumer.

God told you he wasnt a sky-wizard then? You must be one of the chosen. Theres a guy downtown claiming hes been talking to a spaghetti monster. You two brave souls must stand toghether as the chosen ones.

Anyway. I had no problem with the f/f romance in ME 1 (oh yes there was one) but since bioware has chosen not to implement one in ME 2 i find whining to try and get one annoying. Nobody likes whiners. Not me, not the wizard and definetly not bioware

[Livemmo]

Son iam dissapoint

[primal456]

I don't post much just read but I got to say wtf. Most of us here seem rational but some of the posts are a little off the beaten path on both sides of the issue. That said I made 4 characters to be ready for ME2 2 male 2 female. I went for all 4 options for my characters Male 1 ashley 1 liara. female Kadien liara etc..

I wish I could have had a Female Shepard and Ashley option since Bioware has never really shied away from it look at Jade Empire, KOTOR, and DA:O as good examples. They may have decided that in ME1 they wanted the military characters to be more like reailty but that's their choice. But as a straight guy I still wish they had the option open in ME2 for same sex realtions my FemShep might take advantage of it, I sure someone wants a MaleShep guy option it wouldn't bother me wouldn't use it BUT THAT'S MY CHOICE.

No one should try to force their choice on another or say someone else is wrong. And Really everytime I hear someone say something like :

"MajesticMoose

Im against homosexuality. Its because Im a christian and I know thats not how God intended for it to be. But I dont hate homosexual people (of course I dont hate hitler either OMG! Did he really just say that?!). I accept them as they are, Ill tell them that homosexuality is wrong, but if they dont get in a huge fuss about it then I would remain friends with them."

Everytime I hear someone say something like that first thing I think is that's a load of c**p you don't like Homosexuals and sorry I truly dought you would remain friends with anyone with as the media calls it Alternative Lifestyle and that includes anyone out side the chruches veiw of normal. As a Catholic I'm offended by people that bash others using their religulous belief as a reason for their dislike, hate, or whatever you want to call it. Homosexuals did not make a choice to be the way they are they were born that way.

Modifié par primal456, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:07 .

[BrianWilly]

Zoe Dedweth wrote...

Maby Shepard wasn't written to be gay. Perhaps that's why there's no MM or FF romance. Mass Effect isn't only going to be a trilogy so future characters might well be gay.

ManShep romance with Kaidan
FemShep romance with Ashley ACK POETRY

Anyway, they had fully written and recorded dialogue for gay human content in Mass Effect 1.  There was literally nothing stopping them, conceptually, from putting this content in the game itself that couldn't stop some random modder on Das Internets.

So, basically, the next time the devs say they didn't think they would be able to write a gay romance believably, or that they didn't have time to do one, you can rest assured that it's pretty much BS.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:05 .

[vhatever]

Time to start lock/banning these gay-pushers. Seriously bioware, this is getting tiresome having to keep seeing this spam in the forums.

[Mummolus]

I notice that the second religion is involved however the arguement becomes illogical and based of: "Its wrong!"

I notice that the second people start talking about homosexuality, anybody disagreeing is immediately insulted and attacked. Even the word 'homophobic' is a veiled attack, since 'phobia' has mental health implications.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Mummolus wrote...

Please do not discuss religion on this board. If you would like to do so read these links.

If you're going to discuss homosexuality ad nauseum, you need to be prepared to discuss religion, because broadly speaking they're in direct opposition to one another. You can't discuss homosexuality and ban people who oppose it from stating their opinions under the blanket of "No religion!"

Then tell that to the mods, as they are the ones who have the rule. As it stands, no discussions of religion should take place here, please refrain from discussing it for the sake of keeping this dialogue open.

[Medhia Nox]

Nobody is banning you Mummolus - we're asking you. I'm sure, since you are such a refined gentleman who is aware of such things like the particulars of what makes polls invalid that 1) You are aware that banning and asking are different. And 2) When someone asks you for a favor - it is customary to aquiesce and cease from further defying the request.

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This topic is supposed to be about including an option for Shepard to be gay/lesbian.

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Oh, and I'm not insulted Mummolus. You can say whatever you like. I find breeders to be largely calcified traditionalists clinging to a tradition (sex for reproduction) that science has made completely irrelevant. But, please don't be insulted.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:07 .

[Lughsan35]

Ethan009 wrote...

Mummolus wrote...

Reading comprehension ftl.

I've refrained from insulting you, please try to show the same courtesy.

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are 3 FAITHS I'm not talking about population. >_>

I am. Most of the population of the planet is at least theoretically actively opposed to homosexuality for religious reasons, and as such it's not possible to discuss homosexuality without involving religion.

Like its not possible to discuss abortion without religion?
Homosexuality can be discussed with out religion just like heterosexuality can. Religion is only a factor when you make it one.

Frankly I hate when people bring religion into a discussion, its a archanic belief system, fundamentally flawed, built on archanic and most often extremely cruel and racist roots.

My Imaginary friend is better than yours nyah nyah :innocent: