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[ERJAK2]

Mummolus wrote...

Please do not discuss religion on this board. If you would like to do so read these links.

If you're going to discuss homosexuality ad nauseum, you need to be prepared to discuss religion, because broadly speaking they're in direct opposition to one another. You can't discuss homosexuality and ban people who oppose it from stating their opinions under the blanket of "No religion!"

I have no authority to ban religious discussion. The devs do and can, I would rather not be locked. Beyond that, we live in a progressively more secular society, which makes religion a hot button issue. We need to talk about just one at a time.

[Soruyao]

If you people keep discussing religion this thread is going to be locked and we're going to have to create another one, and the spam will continue. Stop it please.

[Mummolus]

Then tell that to the mods, as they are the ones who have the rule. As it stands, no discussions of religion should take place here, please refrain from discussing it for the sake of keeping this dialogue open.

I assume the mods will read the thread before locking it, so I effectively am telling the mods. Holding open discussions about homosexuality but banning any mention of religion is oppressive and in every way just as wrong as banning discussions of homosexuality. I'd rather have both or neither, myself.

[Maugrim]

Guys please lay off the religous talk.....religous gay here so don't try to turn it into a us vs them arguement.

[rjeid]

Well, judging by the last 2 pages, this thread is bound to be locked soon. Sigh. I'll be sharing my support in the next one. See you guys later.

Also, to the Bioware Mod/Dev that sees this:

My FemShep. Wants. Tali.


please?

[Medhia Nox]

And what does your religion have to say about Shepard - Mummolus?

[lewis1306]

Mummolus wrote...

Actually you both are wrong supporters or people who dont care outnumber the bigoted haters 2 to 1.

You realize that including the "don't care" as part of the "yes" answer invalidates your poll?

QFT

[ERJAK2]

Lughsan35 wrote...

Ethan009 wrote...

Mummolus wrote...

Reading comprehension ftl.

I've refrained from insulting you, please try to show the same courtesy.

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are 3 FAITHS I'm not talking about population. >_>

I am. Most of the population of the planet is at least theoretically actively opposed to homosexuality for religious reasons, and as such it's not possible to discuss homosexuality without involving religion.

Like its not possible to discuss abortion without religion?
Homosexuality can be discussed with out religion just like heterosexuality can. Religion is only a factor when you make it one.

Frankly I hate when people bring religion into a discussion, its a archanic belief system, fundamentally flawed, built on archanic and most often extremely cruel and racist roots.

My Imaginary friend is better than yours nyah nyah :innocent:

Please do not dicuss religion here, we will be locked.

[Kyero]

there is a choice to say if Shep belives in god or not >_> so Religion does matter in mass effect.

[Mummolus]

I noticed that whenever I say religion is archanic I'm immediately crowned a "fool and need to grow up."

Hah, well using real words would probably help your case

I don't agree with people being called homophobic because they go "It's gross!"

Neither do I, but that's exactly what's happened in each and every single one of these "gay" threads. Frankly I wish such discussions bould be banned altogether, as they never end (or even start) well.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Medhia Nox wrote...

And what does your religion have to say about Shepard - Mummolus?

Don't bait a religious discussion. Those types of discussions can't take place here.

[Wakara Pezi]

Revan312 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Sigh.. yes Tali was loud but that wasnt the reason they (Or should i say I ^^) got what we wanted. Tali was already a planned romance in ME 1 but scrapped since the developers thought she wouldnt be popular. And garrus is just a fanservice to femsheps since the moaning would be insane if the males got Tali and females got nothing

And a gay romance between male shep and Kaiden was planned but cut, and ashley and femshep gay romance was planned but cut.  Look back two pages and you'll see the links...  There was a lot planned for and not implemented.

I will say however that Tali threads were long and constant, Garrus threads were long and constant, both were looked at by the devs for 2 years after ME1's release and considered for the sequal.  Same-sex romancers were silent as most assumed it would be an automatic inclusion in ME2 as it was in every one of their games since JE.  The community was silent because of preconceptions on how Bioware would treat this subject and it was axed most likely because they didn't think there was much support, at least not much vocal support..  Now that there is, and it's obvious that it has worked in the past, these threads will be mainstay, it's just a fact that haters are going to have to deal with. 

I never once entered the Tali or Garrus love threads the entire time I was on the original ME forums or even here, I simply didn't care about the threads.  When I heard they were going to be LI's I was surprised, but I still didn't care and I was actually pleased as it truly did show that Bioware listens to their fan base.  This is a product of Biowares first inclusion of same-sex and now exclusion, you can't give a charity ten dollars and then the next day tell em you want it back, that's what this has always been (at least for me), the principle of the matter and my hope that either the devs 1.) allow modding, 2.) give us something with the new DLC characters or 3.) include such an option in ME3.

The only reason these threads have become flame fests as opposed to the Tali/Garrus threads is because there are always gonna be those 4-5 people that keep trolling...and trolling... and trolling, provoking people constantly whenever this issue arises.  If you look at  who the majority of posters are on these threads it's the same 10 people on both sides with the occasional person coming, posting once, and leaving.  Once the game comes out and most people get what they want, this board will be a lot lonier and for the most part, the only people left really posting a lot are going to be people who want something changed with the game, which will most definately include this subject...

I agree.

[Medhia Nox]

True Kyero - and what does the Mass Effect god say about homosexuality? Is it ever stated in a Codex?

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And I'm not trying to bait.

If they insist on making it about religion - it should at least be how religion relates to Mass Effect.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:11 .

[ERJAK2]

If Kasumi is not Bi, there is going to be a lot more anger from our side, I hope the devs end this soon...

[Sphynx118]

Mummolus wrote...

I notice that the second religion is involved however the arguement becomes illogical and based of: "Its wrong!"

I notice that the second people start talking about homosexuality, anybody disagreeing is immediately insulted and attacked. Even the word 'homophobic' is a veiled attack, since 'phobia' has mental health implications.

Im confused...Mental health impications=/= religion?

[Mummolus]

And what does your religion have to say about Shepard - Mummolus?

At no point have I indicated that I'm religious. All I've done is attack logical fallacies which any atheist worth his salt would attack just as vigorously.

[LucidStrike]

If BioWare does come to their senses and introduce queer squadmates, it should definitely be free.

[topekaguy]

ERJAK2 wrote...

If Kasumi is not Bi, there is going to be a lot more anger from our side, I hope the devs end this soon...

Its Bioware's right to decide what is and isnt in the games they manufacture.

[SorrowAndJoy7]

Returnpolicy wrote...

Well Bioware presents the game as the gamer makes the choices. There wouldn't be much point in making a shooter/RPG if there were only one way to play it, would there?

No one wants a dating sim. What many people want is equal opportunity to have an immersive experience. Bioware have stated that a good part of ME2 is about building relationships with our team-mates and romance is part of that relationship-building. Which is why there are no less than *6* romance options which can apparently play out differently according to Paragon or Renegade choices. Sadly there seems to be not a single same-sex option which upsets a good number of players (myself included).

That's the point though... The gamer makes the choices... A major part of those choices just so happens to be how they conflict with the personalities of your party members. Now maybe i'm a bit crazy, but I think it's really damn easy to assemble a group of a dozen or so people at random, and very easily end up with no homosexuals. It's like you can't enjoy the game unless they're something you can f***. I want to be very clear, I'm 100% fine with there being same-sex romance options in the game. I just think the idea that they should have forced themself to write up a homosexual character or modify a character to be gay.... is a bit silly. I would much prefer them to make the best possible characters they can, I never felt like Leliana for instance fit into her character in regards to same sex situations... to me she felt forced, which i'd rather it be excluded then end up with forced bisexual characters.

[Soruyao]

To everyone who doesn't want F/F or M/M relationships because they're wrong or unnatural, how do you feel about shoving people out of windows? How about genocide? Are those any more right and moral?



Should they remove that too?

[Kalfear]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Nobody is banning you Mummolus - we're asking you. I'm sure, since you are such a refined gentleman who is aware of such things like the particulars of what makes polls invalid that 1) You are aware that banning and asking are different. And 2) When someone asks you for a favor - it is customary to aquiesce and cease from further defying the request.

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This topic is supposed to be about including an option for Shepard to be gay/lesbian.

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Oh, and I'm not insulted Mummolus. You can say whatever you like. I find breeders to be largely calcified traditionalists clinging to a tradition (sex for reproduction) that science has made completely irrelevant. But, please don't be insulted.

Im not actually religious. hmm maybe thats not right either, To be clear, I beleive in god, I just dont beleive in originzed religion. I say this so you understand the following question is not in defence of churchs and ministers and all that.

So your saying that even though vastly larger group of religious people, who have stayed outta this topic btw, its ok to add your beleifs even though it makes them uncomfortable and might even force some to not buy the game!

As I said, I dont beleive in churches but last I looked, there was a crap load more people going to church and worshiping god (in all his forms) then there was homosexuals world wide

So help me understand, why should you wants and desires be given by Bioware and the wants and desires of a much larger and more powerful group of people should be ignored out right!

Again, understand, im not saying whats right and wrong and whose right and wrong, im simply asking a question that seems obvious to me from your last statement! I know the mindless ones of your group like ERJAK2 wont answer as well they just ignore and insult anything out of their scope but hopeing you can validate this for me.

in a nut shell, why are you more important then them?

[Sphynx118]

LucidStrike wrote...

If BioWare does come to their senses and introduce queer squadmates, it should definitely be free.

*Cough* Liara *Cough* and dont give me that "shes not a female" crap.

[ArcanistLibram]

Bioware has delivered GLB romances in the past, so although it's strange for them not to put one in Mass Effect, I don't think it's fair to bash them over it.

EDIT: And Liara isn't a lesbian. The Asari cannot have any concept of gender differentiation that's even remotely similar to what humans have. FemShep, on the other hand, would be a lesbian.

Modifié par ArcanistLibram, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:18 .