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BIOWARE, it's 2010, players should have a same-sex romance option.


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Ethan009 wrote...

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Medhia Nox wrote...

Nobody is banning you Mummolus - we're asking you. I'm sure, since you are such a refined gentleman who is aware of such things like the particulars of what makes polls invalid that 1) You are aware that banning and asking are different. And 2) When someone asks you for a favor - it is customary to aquiesce and cease from further defying the request.

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This topic is supposed to be about including an option for Shepard to be gay/lesbian.

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Oh, and I'm not insulted Mummolus. You can say whatever you like. I find breeders to be largely calcified traditionalists clinging to a tradition (sex for reproduction) that science has made completely irrelevant. But, please don't be insulted.


Im not actually religious. hmm maybe thats not right either, To be clear, I beleive in god, I just dont beleive in originzed religion. I say this so you understand the following question is not in defence of churchs and ministers and all that.

So your saying that even though vastly larger group of religious people, who have stayed outta this topic btw, its ok to add your beleifs even though it makes them uncomfortable and might even force some to not buy the game!

As I said, I dont beleive in churches but last I looked, there was a crap load more people going to church and worshiping god (in all his forms) then there was homosexuals world wide

So help me understand, why should you wants and desires be given by Bioware and the wants and desires of a much larger and more powerful group of people should be ignored out right!

Again, understand, im not saying whats right and wrong and whose right and wrong, im simply asking a question that seems obvious to me from your last statement! I know the mindless ones of your group like ERJAK2 wont answer as well they just ignore and insult anything out of their scope but hopeing you can validate this for me.

in a nut shell, why are you more important then them?


How are they more important then gays? <_< Because someone else's lifestyle makes them uncomfortable gay people should just stay hidden as to not disturb their bubble? I doubt white people were comfortable with free black people walking around after slavery but hey most of them got over it.

Some of them didn't but that's another story. :whistle:

You shouldn't trample on the minorities freedoms just to make the majority feel that they're right. Shouldn't outcast people that are different because the majority happens not to me. Heck what about handicap people? Should we start telling them since they're not the norm to GTFO?

And this has nothing to do with same sex romances in ME :D

sorry way off topic. NM this post. Moving on moving on.




Well I didnt actually say they were more important yhen gays, thats your own twist so you can chew on that!

Handicap, great topic, I dont see handicap LIs in game even those straight females have asked for Joker to be a LI.

Should we be attacking Bioware because they didnt make Joker a LI for the ladies?

Where does it all stop?

The long and short of this whole topic is not everyone is comfortable with homosexual relations and that in its self is enough reason to not have them until such a day as all the religious and political and health issues have been worked out and SOCIETY AS A WHOLE accepts them (LIKE HETROSEXTUALS). Till then they a alternative lifestyle and a fringe group looking for acceptance and like Biowares rule on discussing religion here. I dont think a Video game is a good place to make a political/religious/health stand on homosexuality!

And Mums is right, if your having a real disscussion on Homosexuality, you include religion. You all want it all your own way and no negatives. World doesnt work that way kiddo!

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lololol i think its hilarious that you people of both sides are arguing about 1% of the game.

There are seven possible new romance options in this game, twice as many as in the previous game.  "1%" is hardly an accurate guesstimate.

add up the time spent talking and the end cinematic for romance from ME1. its less than 20 minutes total.

so for ME2, lets double it? 40 minutes of dialogue and cinematics for romance.

WOW such a huge number. lawl. srsly stop talking

Modifié par MrBiggens, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:30 .


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Medhia Nox wrote...

True Kyero - and what does the Mass Effect god say about homosexuality? Is it ever stated in a Codex?

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And I'm not trying to bait.

If they insist on making it about religion - it should at least be how religion relates to Mass Effect.


the fact that the only possible same sex relationship was with Liara because of their cross gender breeding. and the Asari having no "offical" gender doesnt even make it a lesbian scene. more like  Female x Alien.

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It would be fine with me honestly. I love this game for the characters, their personalities. The fact that I can get them naked for 2 seconds of censored humping doesn't mean much to me. The characters bioware creates are flat out amazing. To me this isn't amazingly different than people who can't be happy in life unless they're in a relationship. Friendships and gettign to know people isn't just about screwing them.


I'd agree, except the 'friendship' paths usually aren't as interesting or meaningul as the 'romance' paths with characters.


Well, imo Tali, Wrex, Sten.. some so far non-romanceable characters by bioware, have been some of their best characters. The fact that they weren't romance-able, I don't think hurt the quality of their characters in any way. In dragon Age I felt like Morrigan and Zevran really thrived off their romance though. Mass effect on the other hand, none of their romance-able characters really impressed me in me 1. I felt much more in certain situations involving wrex, than I ever came close to feeling in situations involving my characters LI. Which is why i'm a firm believer of if it fits the character, i'm all for it straight or same-sex... if you have to try and mold the character to fit it, i'll pass.

Modifié par SorrowAndJoy7, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:34 .


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I thought so too. Its not as hostile as God or Allah

I dont know much about the tru meaning of the word allah... but whats hostile about the word God?! Or are you refering to God himself? I wont deny it, He's been violent on occasion. But I love him and He loves us all anyway.Posted Image

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Anyways I want gay shep. Only thing that will stop this thread is pics. If anyone wants yuri pics tell me. They'll all be clean no worries XD 

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Ok, I first have to say- I support homosexuality. Im a guy. No- Im not gay.

I also, however, think that asking Bioware for homosexuality THIS late in the game is laughable at best. I guarantee you, all the games are already shipped, and waiting at the stores to be shelved. It aint gonna happen.

Also, Romance subplots are an optional part of the game. I realize that this point has been argued to exhaustion, but the fact remains.

If none of the romance plots fit your 'needs' then just ignore that part. Stop whining about it at this point, cuz its WAAY too damn late.

I honestly wish you best of luck in ME3.

-Tested Faythe out.


I'm arguing out of principle and because of the possibilty of it being in ME3, you need to catch it early and voraciously to make it a consideration during conceptualization and planning.  Arguing about this 2 weeks before ME3 comes out won't do much will it..

Basiclly nobody had a problem with same sex inclusion in other Bioware titles, so why do you people have a problem with it now?  (not you tested) It really stresses my ability to think of any of you haters as anything but flame baiting trolls that want nothing more than to stomp all over other's wishes at this point simply because you never took the time to think about same sex options in games before these threads popped up.  If it didn't effect you in the past games, why would it now?  If including more options didn't change your enjoyment in past titles, why would it now? I just can't wrap my mind around the haters, it doesn't even compute at this point in the discussion..

Options are good, more options appease more people, more people appeased means more money, more money means the ability to make titles with more choices and the cycle continues...

Modifié par Revan312, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:37 .


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Kyero wrote...

the fact that the only possible same sex relationship was with Liara because of their cross gender breeding. and the Asari having no "offical" gender doesnt even make it a lesbian scene. more like  Female x Alien.


I'm getting really tired of this old gem..  So if it wasn't technically a lesbian romance, as Liara only looks, walks, talks, acts and can reproduce offspring like a woman, but isn't actually a woman, what was the romance to femshep?  You really think a woman would look at having sex with Liara as anything besides lesbianism?  Your grasping at straws again, it WAS a lesbian romance, it WAS homosexuality to femshep, that argument is so ridiculous it really is laughable...

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Gosh people are being stupid. The guy who started this topic specifically SAID dont bring religion into this....he just wants symetry in the love interests. GEEZE. You guys just want this topic to be closed because YOU don't agree with it. It's not about religion, or homosexuality...its about OPTIONS. IN. A. GAME. you got a total of 4 LI's in the first game. Ashley, Liara, Kaiden, the way I see it, it should have been 8. Even if Kaiden ISNT gay, you should be able to influence him ie Atton from KOTOR2...he would follow you to the death, dark or light.....ALMOST gay or straight, but you get the picture.

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Shep being casted as straight is really not a big deal. Most people are straight.

It's a touchy topic from a business standpoint anyway. I thought Bioware was quite daring for what they did in Dragon Age. Not right or wrong per se, just daring. I'd be curious to see what sort of feedback they received about it.

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Revan312 wrote...

Tested-Faythe wrote...

Ok, I first have to say- I support homosexuality. Im a guy. No- Im not gay.

I also, however, think that asking Bioware for homosexuality THIS late in the game is laughable at best. I guarantee you, all the games are already shipped, and waiting at the stores to be shelved. It aint gonna happen.

Also, Romance subplots are an optional part of the game. I realize that this point has been argued to exhaustion, but the fact remains.

If none of the romance plots fit your 'needs' then just ignore that part. Stop whining about it at this point, cuz its WAAY too damn late.

I honestly wish you best of luck in ME3.

-Tested Faythe out.


I'm arguing out of principle and because of the possibilty of it being in ME3, you need to catch it early and voraciously to make it a consideration during conceptualization and planning.  Arguing about this 2 weeks before ME3 comes out won't do much will it..

Basiclly nobody had a problem with same sex inclusion in other Bioware titles, so why do you people have a problem with it now?  (not you tested) It really stresses my ability to think of any of you haters as anything but flame baiting trolls that want nothing more than stomp all over other's wishes at this point simply because you never took the time to think about same sex options in games before these threads popped up.  If it didn't effect you in the past games, why would it now?  If including more options didn't change your enjoyment in past titles, why would it now? I just can't wrap my mind around the haters, it doesn't even compute at this point in the discussion..

Options are good, more options appease more people, more people appeased means more money, more money means the ability to make titles with more choices and the cycle continues...


until Bioware does a account poll of everyone that bought DA:O or ME or JE for that matter, you have no clue how people think about the homosexual relationships!

I had zero issue with in Jade empire and didnt object originally until I encountered Zevran and he refused to stop hitting on my no matter how many times I said no. THAT PISSED ME OFF and put me on the no side of the ledger.

I dare say, im far from alone on that, off hand I know 10 freinds that all played DA:O and all made the same comment about Zevran (one reminded me I could kill him upon meeting in future games so thats what I do now) yet not one of them posted here.

Dont assume silence for agrement or acceptance.

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Kyero wrote...

the fact that the only possible same sex relationship was with Liara because of their cross gender breeding. and the Asari having no "offical" gender doesnt even make it a lesbian scene. more like  Female x Alien.

What is the difference between sex and gender?

I swear to Buffy, every one and their mothers should read that at least once.

Asari do have a gender.  They are women.  They think of themselves as mothers, as feminine.  You yourself refer to them as "she" and "her" instead of "he" and "it."  When your FemShep has sex with her, she is having sex with another woman.

This gets brought up so many times, as if people are actually convinced it's up for debate.  It's not; from every anthropological, sociological, and ethnographic viewpoint, Asari are women.  The whole monogendered thing is ridiculous; the only people who ever refer to them as such are Asari themselves, because they are not used to how the rest of the world sees it in more than one gender, and that theirs is the feminine.

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Gah, why do you people keep posting religiously oriented material, either for or against...



I was hoping we'd at least get to 30 pages.. *sigh*

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I know I shouldn't respond to Kalfear, but I find him amusing and I want him to keep it up

Kalfear wrote...
The long and short of this whole topic is not everyone is comfortable with homosexual relations


Meaning you're not comfortable. Jeez, at least admit it. I know it's embarassing, but you need to come out of the closet as a homophobe if you want to have an honest debate.

And yeah, some people aren't comfortable with homosexuality. What of it? Some people aren't comfortable with violence, but nobody's suggesting that we take gunplay out of ME.

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Revan312 wrote...

Kyero wrote...

the fact that the only possible same sex relationship was with Liara because of their cross gender breeding. and the Asari having no "offical" gender doesnt even make it a lesbian scene. more like  Female x Alien.


I'm getting really tired of this old gem..  So if it wasn't technically a lesbian romance, as Liara only looks, walks, talks, acts and can reproduce offspring like a woman, but isn't actually a woman, what was the romance to femshep?  You really think a woman would look at having sex with Liara as anything besides lesbianism?  Your grasping at straws again, it WAS a lesbian romance, it WAS homosexuality to femshep, that argument is so ridiculous it really is laughable...


You know what I've had it with this crap. You guys can keep complaining and ****ing until you get what you want like little children whinning until they get what they want. Which won't come... have fun being dissapointed, I'm gonna enjoy what the game has and not complain what it doesn't have. you want some lesbian romance so bad, go watch a yuri anime or something. Stop bugging the forums with these rediculous topics and stop bugging the creators.

I bid these topics farewell, I'm going back to my Tali Fanboy topics and ripping on the female MJ :)

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your right mums, when they cant maturely debate, it always goes back to the attacking and homophobe threat!



Ahh well im done, this isnt about a mature discussion, just some kiddies stomping their feet and demanding their presents.



its all them them them!

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I know why there are no homosexual relationships in Mass Effect 2.



See, Mass Effect takes place in the future.

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Touche. But I tend not to agree on the basis of the bible being ridculous degrading to woman and having that be the norm and accepted. But that's my personal beef with it. <_<

Actually all of that is stuff that is taken out of context/very confused in translation. The bible talks about equality between the sexes more often ten you think.

Mostly though I don't like organized religion because people on a whole are cruel, foolish, self-centered beings and when there's a lot of them together...:pinched:

Im in agreement. This is why I dont consider myself to be religious. I like the term "God's son in whom He is
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...but you need to come out of the closet as a homophobe if you want to have an honest debate.

'Homophobe' is an insulting term with mental health implications. How can you accuse others of bigotry when the terminology you're using is inherently offensive?

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I can feel it. The topic is going to close >_< JUST wanted some maleshepxgarrus.



I WANT garrus' babies in my stomach! ;-; all 900,000 of them. then they could hatch and eat each other, then eat their way out of my body....Screw mass effect, im gonna make a movie bout alien love XD

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Mummolus wrote...


...but you need to come out of the closet as a homophobe if you want to have an honest debate.

'Homophobe' is an insulting term with mental health implications. How can you accuse others of bigotry when the terminology you're using is inherently offensive?

Well maybe he thinks you are wacked in the head eh?