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[jselene]

Ethan009 wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

jselene wrote...

I personally hold little hope for the DLC characters, but then again, I was dead certain that we'd have bisexual Samara and Thane.  Or, rather, I thought we'd have bi Samara and hoped we'd have bi Thane, while secretly suspecting the m/m was actually Jacob.  Ahahahaha...
*looks at picture* Oh my.  But, then again, Zaeed is rather hot for his age...er...

It's funny, some of Jacob's scenes with MaleShep are at least equally, if not more suggestive than the ones with Kaidan in ME1. "Fraternization" indeed... Probably writing for gender neutral Shepard, that will advance into something more personal with FemShep, but it's still there.

You thought that too?  Yay! I'm not out of my mind! 

I agree!  It's like Alistair all over again.    Bioware is definately the master of unintentional Ho Yay.  Which...might be a bad thing in this case.  But there's always ME3 hope!

(PS. Your repellant idea was total genius.  I think...this thread might actually stay open for once!  )

[Revan312]

Kyero wrote...

sorry, so ****in tired.. should have just said "have to" but w.e

But I do agree that there should be a bi/lesbian/gay option since the first one had .. atleast one

No no, they don't "have to" implement our wishes, that's totally true.

Also, I'm still pumped for this game, I really am, Tuesday can't come fast enough.  I just think, as you just stated, that Bioware, in all their brilliant game design glory, tripped up a bit by removing this option from the roster of characters they created for this game.  Doubling the previous LI roster and not including a same-sex romance just seems dumb to me after all they've done to further that aspect within games.

Is this make it or break it for me? Absolutely not, but I'm gonna keep on talking about it until ME3 is released simply because I feel it's an option I, as well as others, would like to have included.  If ME3 as well has no same-sex LI option in it then so be it, Bioware is going in a more traditional direction that I sort of don't like as they've handled such issues well in the past.

To reiterate, no, they don't have to add this into the game (talking ME3 here), but for what they have garnered critical acclaim for in the past seems irrelevent if they kick that option out the window yet again in the next installment.  Many gay/lesbian/bisexual/straight male lesbo loving/straight female gay loving gamers have come to appreciate Bioware for their past deeds, I just hope they can keep that support in the years to come *shrug*

Modifié par Revan312, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:25 .

[Terror_K]

Kyero wrote...

Honestly i was shocked when there was no bi/gay/lesbia option, specialy with the new Asari chick.

but do you guys honestly think they will make a DLC that includes a character than is bi/lesbian/gay? even if they do their pretty much making money off of it which is rather disturbing. which forces me to belive that will never be any DLC that introduces same sex relationships.

Maybe it's all part of the plan.

BioWare knew there was a great amount of demand for a greater degree of homosexual romance options for Mass Effect. If they're already in the game, then they're in the game and nobody pays extra for them. If they release them as DLC, they can make money from all those who wanted them willing to pay for the addition, when all they need to do is basically remove restrictive tags, tweak a little dialogue and make sure if doesn't clash with ME3, which they can do while making ME3 anyway.

[Soruyao]

Terror_K wrote...

This definitely seems like a HUUUGE step back for BioWare. KotOR made the first small steps with Juhani, and then they fulled delivered with Jade Empire and Dragon Age, and at least half delivered with the original Mass Effect. Now it seems like they've taken a step backwards 10 years with ME2. They went on about how there'd be more options for romance in ME2, but from a certain point of view they've actually given us less, and on top of that this is something they KNEW fans wanted in the sequel, and yet the fans have been ignored.

Last time they claimed there were plans, but time constraints held them back. They don't really have that excuse now since there have been no delays at all and there was enough time to create what is essentially fluff stuff with things like the fish tank and things you can customise your Normandy with. They're neat additions, but I'm pretty sure there are people who would prefer more options romance wise than this. Hell... is it so much work to simply remove the restrictive gender tags and have a few extra pieces of dialogue recorded, even just for just one love interest option of either gender. ME1 at least had Liara for Femsheps... seems ME2 doesn't even have an equivalent as far as that goes.

And I say this as a heterosexual male who wouldn't even pursue a gay male romance. I primarily play Femsheps and want my hot lesbian sex, I admit that... but I also think that those who want their other options should be able to have them too. It only seems fair, and gives people more choices and more of a personal touch to their Shepards. If they want to play their Shepard as a gay or lesbian, then they should have the option... particularly in these modern times.

I guess the only thing we can hope for now is that with enough pleading BioWare may release a patch or fix or something as some form of DLC. Sure, PC owners may be able to mod such a thing themselves, but it would likely screw up the savegames and cause massive problems for ME3. Only an official patch would truly suffice.

The thing I don't get the most is how BioWare pretty much pioneered the gay/lesbian romance in mainstream gaming... and now seem to have completely backed out in an almost cowardly display of flip-flopping on the issue.

I agree with everything you just said wholeheartedly and am in the same exact boat (especially the bolded part!), except for the fact that I'd probably play out a gay male romance for amusement sake too

Really, if I had a straight male, a straight female, a gay male, and a gay female to play around with I'd be totally happy.  Those are four fairly different sort of romances that I could further differentiate my characters with and add to replay value.

It's refreshing to be on the same side of an issue with you this time around.  *offers hug*

-edit-

Terror_K wrote...
Maybe it's all part of the plan.

BioWare knew there
was a great amount of demand for a greater degree of homosexual romance
options for Mass Effect. If they're already in the game, then they're
in the game and nobody pays extra for them. If they release them as
DLC, they can make money from all those who wanted them willing to pay
for the addition, when all they need to do is basically remove
restrictive tags, tweak a little dialogue and make sure if doesn't
clash with ME3, which they can do while making ME3 anyway.

I so badly want this to be true, and I've been saying it for days!

Modifié par Soruyao, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:26 .

[Homebound]

As I said in the other threads on this topic, Im for same-sex relationships in the game, but I dont want it to be there for the sake of being there.

Hope you all understand what Im saying.

Modifié par Just_mike, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:28 .

[Eternal Dust]

Kyero wrote...

But I do agree that there should be a bi/lesbian/gay option since the first one had .. atleast one

You're finally getting it! Is this some alternate universe?

[Kyero]

they should just make thane and samara bi. everyone will be happy (well most)

octoberfire wrote...

Kyero wrote...

But I do agree that there should be a bi/lesbian/gay option since the first one had .. atleast one

You're finally getting it! Is this some alternate universe?

no its called having a major pain in the ass headache and very sleepy  sorry about all the **** ive said, I'm going to bed now so I dont say anything else i dont really mean

Modifié par Kyero, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:29 .

[KillTheLastRomantic]

jselene wrote...

Ethan009 wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

jselene wrote...

I personally hold little hope for the DLC characters, but then again, I was dead certain that we'd have bisexual Samara and Thane.  Or, rather, I thought we'd have bi Samara and hoped we'd have bi Thane, while secretly suspecting the m/m was actually Jacob.  Ahahahaha...
*looks at picture* Oh my.  But, then again, Zaeed is rather hot for his age...er...

It's funny, some of Jacob's scenes with MaleShep are at least equally, if not more suggestive than the ones with Kaidan in ME1. "Fraternization" indeed... Probably writing for gender neutral Shepard, that will advance into something more personal with FemShep, but it's still there.

You thought that too?  Yay! I'm not out of my mind! 

I agree!  It's like Alistair all over again.    Bioware is definately the master of unintentional Ho Yay.  Which...might be a bad thing in this case.  But there's always ME3 hope!

(PS. Your repellant idea was total genius.  I think...this thread might actually stay open for once!  )

They might put in a lesbian option in ME3 [and theres already Liara and isn't Kelly bi?], but there's no way they're gonna put in a male/male romance in the third installment after not bothering in the first 2.

Modifié par Progressive_Stupidity1, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:28 .

[travis8908]

Maybe ME writers are against same-sex relationships, idk. It IS their story more or less. If they choose not to include a same-sex relationship then that's their choice. Have you ever complained about a book or movie not having a homosexual relationship? I'm sure someday soon there will be an rpg that does include one. This one however, does not. So keep waiting for a game that does, or make your own to satisfy your needs. I on the other hand will continue to nail blue alien chicks as long as they will let me... High Five!

[KateKane]

So there is no M/M romance, and the F/F one is the on-ship fling?

It really isn't a deal breaker for me. I'll still buy the game and probably really enjoy it. But the knowledge that the developers chose to needlessly keep these options out really rubs me the wrong way.

No matter how good the game is, I won't be able to enjoy it quite as much as I should, and I'll never be able to respect the dev team quite as much as I once did.

Just sayin'...

[Kyero]

i don't like the fact that there is no m/m relationship but theres a F/F relationship.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Kyero wrote...

i don't like the fact that there is no m/m relationship but theres a F/F relationship.

It was the same in Mass Effect one and it sends a pretty clear message.

[Revan312]

Kyero wrote...

they should just make thane and samara bi. everyone will be happy (well most)

octoberfire wrote...

Kyero wrote...

But I do agree that there should be a bi/lesbian/gay option since the first one had .. atleast one

You're finally getting it! Is this some alternate universe?

no its called having a major pain in the ass headache and very sleepy  sorry about all the **** ive said, I'm going to bed now so I dont say anything else i dont really mean

I would think that having Samara and Thane be Bi would completely nullify this issue in it's entirety, no question.

And also, thanks for your words at the end as (speaking for myself here) I never wanted this to be about how horrible Bioware has been to us, ME2 looks extremely cool, I'm just voicing my opinions on this subject, the thing is, earlier in the day I got into a major troll fight and ever since I've been a bit... callous to others speaking their mind on here, so I apologise as well

I'm off to bed, have a fun time waiting out the last 24 hours everyone

[Kyero]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Kyero wrote...

i don't like the fact that there is no m/m relationship but theres a F/F relationship.

It was the same in Mass Effect one and it sends a pretty clear message.

what would that message be?

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Kyero wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Kyero wrote...

i don't like the fact that there is no m/m relationship but theres a F/F relationship.

It was the same in Mass Effect one and it sends a pretty clear message.

what would that message be?

Lesbians are shmexeh but teh gay secks is gross.

[Kyero]

wait a second.... Maybe this is a test of faith for Bioware fans!



Thats it! I just solved it!

[Revan312]

Kyero wrote...

wait a second.... Maybe this is a test of faith for Bioware fans!

Thats it! I just solved it!

Hehe, we can hope

Night all

[jselene]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

They might put in a lesbian option in ME3 [and theres already Liara and isn't Kelly bi?], but there's no way they're gonna put in a male/male romance in the third installment after not bothering in the first 2.

That...is realistic.  But would make me very sad.   Male/male ALMOST got in, though, in ME1, with Kaiden.  So my hope is undeterred!    Mostly because I suspect Bioware understands that adding both m/m and f/f is the key to stopping the fans from whining, but, whatever works.

And re: Loghain: YES!  Simon Templeman is "Han Gerrel", according to IMDB. 

Modifié par jselene, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:44 .

[paysage]

As much as I think this is an important feature that would add a lot of value to the game for a lot of people and as much as I disagree with the anti-homosexual romance trolls who come into these threads, I gotta disagree with some of the notions, attitudes, and verbiage in here.



The game, developers, or company are not backwards, morally reprehensible, or out to get anyone for failing to include this feature. Not everyone or even the majority have been taking this stance as I've been reading this thread, but there are certainly some who have been.



Either there really aren't that many people in the population who want this feature and all the hullaballoo here is just a vocal forum minority or their market research underestimates its value (or overestimates its backlash). Do you think a game developer should be legally regulated to "fix" this? If not, then you're free to vote with your wallet, as they say, or to try to show there is value in this feature for a lot of people, but going on about the injustice of it all (even though you have to put up with a lot of crap in real life in a way that fans who look forward to other features, e.g. alien romance, will likely never have to deal with) and threatening to disobey site rules by opening a bunch of threads every time one is locked isn't likely to move anything towards your goal and is just frustrating to folks who otherwise support you.

[Lambs09]

I'm pretty disappointed they didn't put in a M/M option.



I can only assume it was excluded for PR reasons and not development costs or the writers' temperament. It would only take a couple man hours to write and record a same-sex script (keep it gender neutral for most of the arc, throw in a few lines specific to that gender, borrow animations from another romance, etc.) and if these forums are any indication there's an audience for it. We have a Shepard that is malleable in every way except for his/her sexuality (minus the pandering Asari option for femShep).



Bioware has no obligation to be progressive, and I'm buying the game even if I can't have a gay Shepard. I'm sure the title can stand on the central story and gameplay alone.



Still, Dragon Age showed me that emotional attachment to a character (Alistair) can have a huge bearing on how I experience a story and I can't help but feel that without romance Mass Effect 2 won't have its intended impact.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Ethan009 wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Kyero wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Kyero wrote...

i don't like the fact that there is no m/m relationship but theres a F/F relationship.

It was the same in Mass Effect one and it sends a pretty clear message.

what would that message be?

Lesbians are shmexeh but teh gay secks is gross.

But its not gross

Yes, well, I'm in a foul mood now. Just follow my lead. Skip breakfast and have a vodka on the rocks. There's gonna be a lot of swearing at the television and gesturing crudely at passers by who dare to look in my window today, my shirt dripping with spilled tequila and my tone with disdain.