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[Akrim_Drak]

Yazston the Invoker wrote...

1) Breeding was not a point, just a quick try at a possible explanation...as in use your imagination, and think of one of the thousands of reasons story-wise, why Bioware chose to exclude a homosexual relationship.

2) The only 2 romance options I know of as a male Shep are with the 2 humans...who are the other romances with? (I'm curious, and I assume you are speaking of confirmed romances) It would truly look worse on Bioware's side if they have more than 2 or 3 romance options alltogether, though I still stick with my point that they may not have felt that they had a "believable" homosexual option...

Well Thane was confirmed for ladies, and Tali just recently for men. There may or maynot be others, I won't say anything on that.

I'll understand if they didn't write any of them to work out that way, I'm not unreasonable. But having had it planned for the first game and practically finished(meaning they envisioned Ashley/Kaiden to go both ways) and just not included is what bugs me. You'd think they could remedy that with the second game, but apparently they just dropped it all together.

[Darth_Shizz]

 

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[Yazston the Invoker]

@Medhia - what the hell are you talking about? My point was that I'd feel better if they hadn't included romances at all, because I feel a romance in that storyline doesn't make sense, period, and that usless they HAVE a scientific way to breed humans, the only reason sex would make sense in the STORY is for procreation. We don't know if cloning or other scientific methods of reproduction are viable in the ME universe, so I cannot assume that it's available.



Why, when you try to have an intelligent, serious discussion about such things, does somebody ignorant come along and just read part of the post? How would Sheppard breeding or having a relationship of any kind in the story relate to whether a straight or homosexual parent is raising a kid??? Seriously?

[Medhia Nox]

Well, you have to consider both 1, 2, and 3. ((Unless you really want to refute that they're different stories.))

And no - I'm not confirming anything. That would be spoilers. (Plus, I don't know.)

From what I know (didn't do any of the straight romances in one) - there were 2 for each gender in the first one. And now - as I understand it, there are 3 for each in this one. So - that's 5 per gender (at least).

I could be sour grapes about having to wait for 3 for a possible one. The shortest amount of time to have a romance. But - at this point, I think I would just be pleased.

It is about the story - I don't care about bedroom cutscenes. I want to see my Shepard's emotions when his relationship is in danger - the complex decisions (like Kaiden and Ashley) when my Shepard has portrayed feelings for a character.

I just rewatched Sci Vs Fi last night on SyFy - I had to snicker at all the times they said. "This is your world." "You get to put yourself into the world of Mass Effect." etc. etc. No - I do not get to put myself into Mass Effect - because along with ALL the other things I am - I also happen to be gay.

Also - since they're so unimportant - I'd love to see all these people downplaying the romances NOT have a straight romance in the game. Cause if there's a way to check other people's achievements  (I've never really cared) I'll be looking to see who's a hypocrite.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 25 janvier 2010 - 03:04 .

[Yazston the Invoker]

@Akrim_Drak - Agreed, but I would just like to think that they have some reason other than a hidden agenda or saving face for not including such.



And Tali? Wow...I have nothing constructive to say about that other than...I never would have thought...





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[jlb524]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I just rewatched Sci Vs Fi last night on SyFy - I had to snicker at all the times they said. "This is your world." "You get to put yourself into the world of Mass Effect." etc. etc. No - I do not get to put myself into Mass Effect - because along with ALL the other things I am - I also happen to be gay.

 

I thought the same thing when I watched those Sci Vs. Fi spots.  I think I actually screamed 'No, it's not my world!' out loud.

[Returnpolicy]

Yazston the Invoker wrote...

1) Breeding was not a point, just a quick try at a possible explanation...as in use your imagination, and think of one of the thousands of reasons story-wise, why Bioware chose to exclude a homosexual relationship.

2) The only 2 romance options I know of as a male Shep are with the 2 humans...who are the other romances with? (I'm curious, and I assume you are speaking of confirmed romances) It would truly look worse on Bioware's side if they have more than 2 or 3 romance options alltogether, though I still stick with my point that they may not have felt that they had a "believable" homosexual option...

There are *6* known  romances in the game, 3 of them concerning aliens. There may be more with the inclusion of DLC characters which Bioware have hinted at. Some of the romances (basically a subplot of the relationship-building to assemble your crew which is one of the main parts of the game as I understand it) apparently play out differently depending on Paragon or Renegade choices.

I'd say this represents a significant amount of content and an integral part of game-play in ME. Many of the characters would make believable same-sex romance options in my opinion and knowing Bioware I'd wager most are scripted in a gender-agnostic way. Wanting at least 1 same-sex option for the population of gay *and* straight gamers who have become attached to their Shepard to play the game as they conceive their characters does not seem like a stretch from where I'm standing.

[Medhia Nox]

I also loved Tricia Helfer's comment ((and I love Tricia Helfer)):

Paraphrase: "The story is about different people getting along."

Just so long as they're not too different - aliens, that's fine - gays, ewwwwww icky.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 25 janvier 2010 - 03:11 .

[Loerwyn]

What's so bad about wanting romances in a game, Yazston? You can ignore them if you want, they're rarely (if ever) forced upon you. Procreation isn't the only reason for people having sex (You know, that's why things like condoms exist) whether you agree with it or not, and it's only natural that two people would want to have a physical relationship.

In other words, in the ME universe it's now or never. Liara makes it perfectly clear in ME1 that they may never get another chance to be together physically, and that they have to "do it" then and there or not at all.

[jlb524]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I also loved Tricia Helfer's comment ((and I love Tricia Helfer)):

Paraphrase: "The story is about different people getting along."

Just so long as they're not too different - aliens, that's fine - gays, ewwwwww icky.

Yes, I remember that one.

Yeah, it's sad.  Alien sex is fine as long as it's obviously heterosexual, or involves a female human and an 'asexual alien who looks female but isn't'.

[Yazston the Invoker]

Well, I'll be the first to admit that the Kaidan/Ashley thing was a good twist in the 1st one, made even more difficult a decision if you had romanced one (though I hated Kaidan...so guess who my choice is every time), but I will say again, we're talking about different scenarios here. In the first one, for the most part, you were following a bunch of leads to trail a rogue spectre with a vendetta against the human race. Dire, yes, but true genocide no. At least not until near the end anyway.



In this one, the whole story appears to be based on the near genocise of the human race, and our aparrent inability to stop it. To me, the story is that much more dire, that I would think a true romance would be difficult at best. Kinda the reason that the relationship with the Psycho seems possible...I doubt that hetero or ****** shep from the first one would be interested in such a thing, but after all of the events that transpired between then and now, he's no longer worried about a relationship, and is just doing things to blow off some steam.

[Homebound]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

 

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After seeing that pic, I just died a little inside.

[Kwonnern]

More options (pleasing more people/customers) is always good and lucrative for business.

[defiantwolf]

Curious. Has all this actually been officially confirmed by BioWare? Where? (Forgive my ignorance, but I don't have time to search the net all day for minute by minute updates, so I would be much obliged if someone could point me in the direction of that article/thread).

[Zoe Dedweth]

Have you guys seen the boards. it's all just "Bioware, it's 2010...." threads. Good lord. Who else here thinks Kaidan being straight was awesome. You invite him into a threesome and all you get is a quiet, firm decline. Takes great moral fibre to stand by your beliefs like that. Always wondered why so many think kaidan is gay.



Anyhow - lets say SuZe was gay or bi. Would that satisfy your guys and gals ?

[Medhia Nox]

What's depressing is that - as soon as "being gay" is mentioned it's suddenly. "All you people ever want is to watch two dudes/chicks screwing."



Maybe, just maybe - we want Romeo and Juliet, Last of the Mohicans, Legend, or any other story about a deep relationship between two people that sees strife and works through it.



Yes Yazton - my Shepard is a loner, bad ass - who just happens to be gay.



But the story would be awsome if I felt like: "Yeah, I've been so rugged and cool - all about the job - up until "he" showed up. Now things are muddled - now I can't focus, now I've got a liability. Damn - being me is frigg'n hard."

[PandaThief]

I find it unfair that their are no gay or lesbain options in mass effect 1 or 2, atleast put it in a DLC or in mass effect 3. Something atleast. I do not consider any blue alien chick *forgot races name* a true "female" if it is of that race just because so many have stated that she is not a real female and even than just give us a male human gay/bi guy or a female human lesbain/bi, there ARE Homosexuals in the military this just have to deal with **** alot of the time and maybe that can be part of the story, you already got your alien racist movements in the game why not offer up some DLC Bioware that if you pick have to pay for for this NEW character to come into play, a gay/bi human male and a lesbain/bi human female and show how they struggle but can still fight in battle as a party memeber

[Yazston the Invoker]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

What's so bad about wanting romances in a game, Yazston? You can ignore them if you want, they're rarely (if ever) forced upon you. Procreation isn't the only reason for people having sex (You know, that's why things like condoms exist) whether you agree with it or not, and it's only natural that two people would want to have a physical relationship.
In other words, in the ME universe it's now or never. Liara makes it perfectly clear in ME1 that they may never get another chance to be together physically, and that they have to "do it" then and there or not at all.

But, you see, that's precisely what I am getting at...romance and sex are two totally different things.  Sex, in this situation, between a couple of characters who either lust after one another, or need to procreate, makes lots of sense, given the situation.

Problem is, from what I have read, people want a homosexual ROMANCE, not just a sex cutscene...that is what I am saying people should not get bent out of shape over, and I try to give some possible reasons for such.  I am not against their inclusion, but I, being heterosexual, would not be this upset if they had left it out comepletely, or had just put in a half dozen homosexual relationships, because I don't think it yet makes sense given the story, and it's not why I'm buying the game.  (now, I could still be proven wrong about whether or not it makes sense, since I haven't played it yet)

A lot of people seem to be making this out to be more than it is...Bioware has a great track record for making sure that Homosexual and minority options are available to their main characters.  (granted, now that EA has the final say...)

[kalerab]

Yazston the Invoker wrote...

@Akrim_Drak - Agreed, but I would just like to think that they have some reason other than a hidden agenda or saving face for not including such.

And Tali? Wow...I have nothing constructive to say about that other than...I never would have thought...


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According to
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Garrus
even Garrus is one. Now, comprehend this!

[N30795]

defiantwolf wrote...

Curious. Has all this actually been officially confirmed by BioWare? Where? (Forgive my ignorance, but I don't have time to search the net all day for minute by minute updates, so I would be much obliged if someone could point me in the direction of that article/thread).

Casey Hudson:

CaseyH-ME2: To Guest-183 There were no female / female romances in ME1, same with ME2. Most people count Tali, but her species is female-looking but asexual. Female shepards (and males) will have 3 possible love interests (if I count correctly!)

http://docs.google.c...xshh_82cx7t67db
IDK for M/M romance, though, but I doubt it.

[jlb524]

Zoe Dedweth wrote...

Anyhow - lets say SuZe was gay or bi. Would that satisfy your guys and gals ?

She is bi, she's just not a romance option for FemShep.

[PandaThief]

Zoe Dedweth wrote...

Have you guys seen the boards. it's all just "Bioware, it's 2010...." threads. Good lord. Who else here thinks Kaidan being straight was awesome. You invite him into a threesome and all you get is a quiet, firm decline. Takes great moral fibre to stand by your beliefs like that. Always wondered why so many think kaidan is gay.

Anyhow - lets say SuZe was gay or bi. Would that satisfy your guys and gals ?

If SuZe was bi *she can't be gay cuz she is well um female* but yea if she was lesbain or bi, would prefer bi for some reason O.O um yea that would satisfy me, for now untill the next game that is lol

[Darth_Shizz]

Yazston the Invoker wrote...

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Seems to me that someone with that kind of responsibility would find it difficult to have a good, maningful romantic relationship. I mean, heck, I used to find it difficult to date myself when I was working 60-hours a week at a desk-job, let alone flying around the galaxy getting my ass shot off every other day. Basically, what I am saying, is that story-wise, we should be happy that they put in a romance period.

Also, they may have chosen not to have a homosexual relationship for another reason...has anyone possibly thought that perhaps Sheppard, feeling a duty to the human race, has chosen to forgo his(or her) true sexual orientation for the good of the human race? I mean, if the human race is brought to the brink of extinction, barring the ability (and morality) to clone humans, we would need whatever people we have left to focus on breeding, in which case, a homosexual relationship does not cut it. Given an attitude like this, Sheppard may have tried to suppress his/her homosexual tendencies in order to deal with the fact that he/she needs to have heterosexual sex with people he/she is less than attracted to in order to further the race. Just a thought.

Compelling points. Though I don't have time to comment on them all, this part in particular stood out to me. Whilst I agree with the argument that Shepard has been inserted into a situation which probably doesn't call for a more-than-just-friendly relationship to develop, at the same time, this doesn't necessarily mean that a romance wouldn't, or couldn't form. You have to imagine that this is a high pressure situation, in which Shepard has found him/herself coming to rely on these people through combat and shared struggle...intimately in some cases. Then there's the mention of human nature; desire isn't always easily ignored. It's not hard to imagine that the situation may have some bearing on this, possibly even heightening such feelings.
Intimacy +  Desire = romance. At least this is my real-world justification for the inclusion of romance.

Personally, I'd rather go the simpler route. This is first and foremost, science fiction. We all know that sci-fi is full of romantic elements, from 6-eyed aliens to the idea of humanity becoming a leading power in the galaxy, despite being relatively new to the entire thing. From experience, real-world justifications aren't usually considered too heavily in such a genre. 

And all this is before considering the cinematic nature of the game. I personally don't see a reason why romance couldn't work in such a story, which is why I believe it's more of a character design decision (squadmates, rather than shep.)

In the end, though, it's Bioware's IP, and Bioware's choice. If they choose to do something about it in the future, then kudos to them for listening to the fan base, but in the meantime, let's not make this a political or religious argument, or talk about who they dissed...just enjoy the game for what it is, and keep sending your feedback to the devs, instead of trying to drum up support while telling people not to exercise their right of free speech.

This is probably the best advice for anyone. Jumping to conclusions will only hurt those doing the jumping. This doesn't need to be taken personally. It is not an attack, just a possible oversight.

Besides. The game hasn't even been officially released yet. Let's reserve judgement till it has been, alongside the DLC.

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 25 janvier 2010 - 03:32 .