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[N30795]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

It was more like she was judging Kelly instead of actively participating.

"Hmmm... you lack technique, but your physique is good. 5.8."

Maybe that's all it was?  Kelly wanted Shepard's opinion of her seductive dance technique so she could perfect it and use it to lure Jacob or Joker into bed.

And cuddle with her too? Shepard sure is a swell gal for going out of her way to please Kelly. Hehe.

Yeah, she was helping Kelly 'practice' for Jacob and Joker.  It was just work for Shepard...hence the .

Well... I guess my Shepard will just have to "help" Jacob do the same... for Kelly of course.

How kind ...

[Wittand25]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...
Furthermore, a 10% population....even increasing in the US and Canada is still VERY small. The chance that Shepard or his 5 crewmates from ME1 would be homosexual is unbelievably slim. Furthermore, expand that out to 10 crewmembers, the chances are still very very slight that there would be a homosexual among them.

Did you flunk basic math?

Let's leave Shepard out of the equation since his/her sexuality should be decided by the player.

The probability that at least one of the 5 companions would be gay or bi, if the chance is 10% for each, would be about 41%. I don't know what your definition of very slight is, but 41% isn't what most people are thinking of when they use the phrase.

Edit: and since you can't do math, with 10 crewmenbers the probability goes up to over 65%.

It seems that your math is sound, but your general extrapolation method is terrible. Since you seem to not have schooling past high school I'll explain. Take 10 people randomly off the street, the high probablility is that none of them are gay....why? Because 10% scattered over 300 million means that 99% of the time, picking 10 random people won't net you a single homosexual. I hope you see how that works.

Percentages can be taken out of context, just like a lot of things in life. That argument might have worked on a 10 yr old.

"Statistics" ringing any bells for either of you?

Statitics?  Yay, math!


Alright, you say 5% of all people are gay. Okay, if we take that to also include the entirety of every species on the game, that means that every person on your team has a 5% chance of being gay, or 1 in 20.  So far so good.
 
Now, we add all the members of the team together to get a total for what the likelihood that there is one person who is gay:
 
There are nine squadmates with whom gay relationships could possibly occur. Not counting Samara or Legion. Counting Zaeed.
 
(1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) = (9/20) ~ .45 or 45%
 
45% chance of having a gay teammate. You can further break it down for which gender:
 
Female: 3(1/20) = 3/20 ~ .15 or 15%
Male: 6(1/20) = 6/20 ~ .30 or 30%
 
And there you go! The percentages that your team can be gay!

That calculation is actually wrong. To get to the chances of a gay teammate is 1-(0.95)^9= 0.40 or 40 %.

[Chained_Creator]

Phate Phoenix wrote...
Statitics?  Yay, math!


Alright, you say 5% of all people are gay. Okay, if we take that to also include the entirety of every species on the game, that means that every person on your team has a 5% chance of being gay, or 1 in 20.  So far so good.
 
Now, we add all the members of the team together to get a total for what the likelihood that there is one person who is gay:
 
There are nine squadmates with whom gay relationships could possibly occur. Not counting Samara or Legion. Counting Zaeed.
 
(1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) = (9/20) ~ .45 or 45%
 
45% chance of having a gay teammate. You can further break it down for which gender:
 
Female: 3(1/20) = 3/20 ~ .15 or 15%
Male: 6(1/20) = 6/20 ~ .30 or 30%
 
And there you go! The percentages that your team can be gay!

"You" being general, I assume, because I'm not the one arguing about the percentage of sexual orientation in a population of a mammilian species according to...f**k all, apparently, because none of these arguments has any sort of study behind it.

[Mordigan]

Revan312 wrote...

No, at ten percent scattered throught the population, chances and statistics say that 1 in ten will be gay... man your dense.. soooo dense, take some college courses next time, oh and make sure your kids don't drop out in junior high which is apparently what you did...

As usual, you're spouting a bunch of B.S about a subject that you don't even have any knowledge of..

The 10% figure has been debunked for years now, as it was based on Kinsey's questionable methods which used "junk Science" to inflate the percentage of homosexuals in the population.

By junk science, I mean using prison inmates, sex offenders, prostitutes etc in his "research" rather than the general population..

The 10% figure is only accurate if you include same sex attraction, which is much different from actual sexual orientation.

The most reliable studies put the amount of gays/bisexuals at around 4%, which means 1 in 25 rather than 1 in 10.

[SnowHeart1]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

I don't even know what to tell you guys anymore. You're ignoring an obvious error.

5% of 300 million breaks down into .00000000005% out of 10 people. So theres actually less than a 1% chance that 1 of your 10 party members will be gay.

Basic college extrapolation.

Wow.  Just... um... wow.  You totally failed basic math, didn't you?

[OneDrunkMonk]

I herd ME2...Something about the Collectors, Geth, Reapers, Cerberus, saving humanity, saving the universe...

[Medet]

BrianWilly wrote...

Medet wrote...

Couldn't this entire thread have been condensed to
People: Here is our opinion.
BioWare: OK, we acknowledge that your opinion exists, and might possibly take it into consideration in the future.
People: Yay.

?

Well, no, because that second and therefore third lines haven't occurred yet. :happy:

Oh well. Maybe a dev could drop by and say, y'know, we acknowledge that your opinion exists, and might possibly take it into consideration in the future. That seems like it would calm alot of players down as the great Biothing in the sky would have acknowledged their existence, and it wouldn't comit BioWare to doing anything.

[SnowHeart1]

Wittand25 wrote...

That calculation is actually wrong. To get to the chances of a gay teammate is 1-(0.95)^9= 0.40 or 40 %.

That makes more sense to me.  Add up enough "(1/20)"-s and eventually you'll have a better than 100% chance, which just doesn't make sense.

[Wakara Pezi]

jlb524 wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Well... I guess my Shepard will just have to "help" Jacob do the same... for Kelly of course.

Yes he will. 

The new straight crew is just clueless when it comes to opposite sex relationships.  That's why they need to go to their homosexual Commander to help them out.

Great goddess, lol.

[Nozybidaj]

Mordigan wrote...


The 10% figure has been debunked for years now, as it was based on Kinsey's questionable methods which used "junk Science" to inflate the percentage of homosexuals in the population.

By junk science, I mean using prison inmates, sex offenders, prostitutes etc in his "research" rather than the general population..

That describes half your ME2 squad.  I'd say that is fairly appropriate...

[Phate Phoenix]

Chained_Creator wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...
Statitics?  Yay, math!


Alright, you say 5% of all people are gay. Okay, if we take that to also include the entirety of every species on the game, that means that every person on your team has a 5% chance of being gay, or 1 in 20.  So far so good.
 
Now, we add all the members of the team together to get a total for what the likelihood that there is one person who is gay:
 
There are nine squadmates with whom gay relationships could possibly occur. Not counting Samara or Legion. Counting Zaeed.
 
(1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) + (1/20) = (9/20) ~ .45 or 45%
 
45% chance of having a gay teammate. You can further break it down for which gender:
 
Female: 3(1/20) = 3/20 ~ .15 or 15%
Male: 6(1/20) = 6/20 ~ .30 or 30%
 
And there you go! The percentages that your team can be gay!

"You" being general, I assume, because I'm not the one arguing about the percentage of sexual orientation in a population of a mammilian species according to...f**k all, apparently, because none of these arguments has any sort of study behind it.

Yeah, general you.  And if I got the statics wrong... well, yeah. It's been a couple years.  Although I think it'd be fascinating if someone could actually write out the chance that a teammate could be gay in ME2, using human statistics.

[Chained_Creator]

OneDrunkMonk wrote...

I herd ME2...Something about the Collectors, Geth, Reapers, Cerberus, saving humanity, saving the universe...

[Phate Phoenix]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

That calculation is actually wrong. To get to the chances of a gay teammate is 1-(0.95)^9= 0.40 or 40 %.

That makes more sense to me.  Add up enough "(1/20)"-s and eventually you'll have a better than 100% chance, which just doesn't make sense.

That's true.  Why did I forget that? Oh well, I was always pretty bad at statitics, but everyone else was throwing out their stats, so I figured why shouldn't I?

[N30795]

Man.. .And here we go again from a friendly thread to the "how many people are gay (="you're a minority, now sh*p up")" argument.

That was boring on the old ME forums, now that's infuriating.

It's even the same persons !

I'll go Shepard on this: " "

Modifié par N30795, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:06 .

[jlb524]

Darht Jayder wrote...

This thread sure takes a long time to die-_-.  Especially all the stats crap.

Just wait until the game is actually out and there is 110% confirmation, without a doubt,  'no same-sex romances in ME2'. 

This thread will probably get 10x worse.

[Mordigan]

If anyone actually wants to see good statistics on gay population, here's a good website which explains why Kinsey's methods were fraudulent, while also providing much more accurate data.

[SethSteiner]

And jeah the general population never has any problems, no one has a tattoo, no one had problems with the law anytime in his life, no one makes sexual experiments no one knows of and the list goes on and on and on.

[Phate Phoenix]

Mordigan wrote...

If anyone actually wants to see good statistics on gay population, here's a good website which explains why Kinsey's methods were fraudulent, while also providing much more accurate data.

Huh, that's pretty cool. In the 'the more you know' sort of way.

[Chained_Creator]

Phate Phoenix wrote...
Yeah, general you.  And if I got the statics wrong... well, yeah. It's been a couple years.  Although I think it'd be fascinating if someone could actually write out the chance that a teammate could be gay in ME2, using human statistics.

I have nothing to do with Stats, nor will I ever, if I have my way. I hope (senior-level, I think) Discrete Mathematics (The classes that kills Math majors, oh, joy, and I'm not even a Math major!) is as "high" as I have to go when it comes to Math.

I will make it so! 

Modifié par Chained_Creator, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:07 .

[SnowHeart1]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

That's true.  Why did I forget that? Oh well, I was always pretty bad at statitics, but everyone else was throwing out their stats, so I figured why shouldn't I?

Yeah; it's been... oh, 10+ years since I took my college stats courses.  Not my favorite subject.  I don't remember any of the calculations, but I remember the basic theories.  So, I couldn't have done it; I just knew what looked right and what didn't.  

[Akrim_Drak]

Stop arguing real world statistics in a science fiction atmosphere. I mean really, none of those numbers would matter anyway in the future so... Just saying. This damn game needs to be out already. People are going to start killing each other.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL GOING?

It's not like Bioware doesn't put same sex romances in their games. They've just decided that it isn't Shepard.

I'm almost worried that they're gonna force it into ME3 (Like Tali/Garrus romances) just to appease the rabid fans. Not that I particularly care either way about same sex romances in games but at this point that'd go against Shepard as a character.

I mean, since it's commonly touted that homosexuality isn't a choice then having Shepard go from a string of heterosexual relationships to a homosexual one would be contradictory wouldn't it?

Or let me guess. He was gay the whole time and he was just "suppressing" it?

Modifié par ITSSEXYTIME, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:09 .

[SnowHeart1]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

Mordigan wrote...

If anyone actually wants to see good statistics on gay population, here's a good website which explains why Kinsey's methods were fraudulent, while also providing much more accurate data.

Huh, that's pretty cool. In the 'the more you know' sort of way.

While I happen to dislike Mordigan (and detest that website; it's from an "ex-gay ministry")... he's right insofar as the Kinsey research has been debunked.  Kinsey used poor sample populations.

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:09 .