1746 réponses à ce sujet

[Galluskek]

Huzzah, a reasoned response.

It is now safe to shut down this poster.

Modifié par Galluskek, 26 janvier 2010 - 04:18 .

[FlurryJK2]

Guys can romance Zaeed

[Phate Phoenix]

FlurryJK2 wrote...

Guys can romance Zaeed

I wouldn't mind that. Granted, I'd first have to see how his actual character is, but right now? He sounds like an interesting character.

[keeheen]

Still cant believe you guys are still at this..... the game is done and theres not going to be any gay dlc either just live with it. Bioware is not against having gay li's in their games they just did it with DAO but that game was the first in the series ME2 is the second and they already have a story path they have to follow. You can argue all day about how Shepard can turn spontaneously gay any moment... any good writer wouldn't do that because it doesnt make for a good cohesive story. In the end you guys need to thank BioWare for putting any real romance options at all in their games I really cant think of any other developer that has put as much effort into that area of gaming.

[Phate Phoenix]

keeheen wrote...

Still cant believe you guys are still at this..... the game is done and theres not going to be any gay dlc either just live with it. Bioware is not against having gay li's in their games they just did it with DAO but that game was the first in the series ME2 is the second and they already have a story path they have to follow. You can argue all day about how Shepard can turn spontaneously gay any moment... any good writer wouldn't do that because it doesnt make for a good cohesive story. In the end you guys need to thank BioWare for putting any real romance options at all in their games I really cant think of any other developer that has put as much effort into that area of gaming.

Thanks for your opinion on the matter.

[Arik7]

FlurryJK2 wrote...

Guys can romance Zaeed

You gotta be kidding me.  He looks like a grandpa....

[Phate Phoenix]

Arik7 wrote...

FlurryJK2 wrote...

Guys can romance Zaeed

You gotta be kidding me.  He looks like a grandpa....

It could be fun! I'm sure he's experienced. That's gotta count for somethin', right?

[tangalin]

keeheen wrote...

Still cant believe you guys are still at this..... the game is done and theres not going to be any gay dlc either just live with it. Bioware is not against having gay li's in their games they just did it with DAO but that game was the first in the series ME2 is the second and they already have a story path they have to follow. You can argue all day about how Shepard can turn spontaneously gay any moment... any good writer wouldn't do that because it doesnt make for a good cohesive story. In the end you guys need to thank BioWare for putting any real romance options at all in their games I really cant think of any other developer that has put as much effort into that area of gaming.

Thanks for your opinion. However I would like to point out that in my game, someone needs to tell me how Shepard turned spontaneously straight.

[keeheen]

tangalin wrote...

keeheen wrote...

Still cant believe you guys are still at this..... the game is done and theres not going to be any gay dlc either just live with it. Bioware is not against having gay li's in their games they just did it with DAO but that game was the first in the series ME2 is the second and they already have a story path they have to follow. You can argue all day about how Shepard can turn spontaneously gay any moment... any good writer wouldn't do that because it doesnt make for a good cohesive story. In the end you guys need to thank BioWare for putting any real romance options at all in their games I really cant think of any other developer that has put as much effort into that area of gaming.

Thanks for your opinion. However I would like to point out that in my game, someone needs to tell me how Shepard turned spontaneously straight.

Its not your game its BioWares your just along for the ride

[MassFrost]

Arik7 wrote...

FlurryJK2 wrote...

Guys can romance Zaeed

You gotta be kidding me.  He looks like a grandpa....

You asked for gay romance, you never said anything about the LI being good looking.

[Megalomaniac21]

Lambs09 wrote...

Megalomaniac21 wrote...
I'm sure its an increasingly growing demographic. Even so, still a waste of time and something that should easily be on the backburner, especially with a project this ambitious. I'd rather have more missions or something or other that actually makes the game better be included that doesn't have to do with sexuality. I think the typical gamer would agree. What should be the focus should be the things that are the most universally appreciated, e.g. good game mechanics and good story. I think most would agree.

Part of what makes Bioware's games so ambitious is that they are supposed to be both cinematic and personal.  If you've played Dragon Age I don't need to tell you that having a well-written romantic interest can make the game much much more memorable.  Gay gamers by and large will miss out on that.  I'm sure the core game of Mass Effect 2 is great but we're getting a shallower experience and that's disappointing.

Also, you're implying that including a same-sex relationship is somehow mutually exclusive with improving the rest of the game.

I didn't mean to imply that. However, IMO I think it would just be best to spend the time on what makes the game great which is the universe its set in. Romances are great. BUT, what makes Bioware games so ambitious are what they do with the mechanics of the game, and when they themselves quote ME as being ambitious, they aren't referring to anything that they're doing with their romances though that is a miniscule part of it. 

[Chained_Creator]

Ethan009 wrote...

MassFrost wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

FlurryJK2 wrote...

Guys can romance Zaeed

You gotta be kidding me.  He looks like a grandpa....

You asked for gay romance, you never said anything about the LI being good looking.

Well one would think that wouldn't need to be said.

Didn't this whole thing start out with the assumption that BioWare would include homosexual relationships in ME 2?

[Lambs09]

keeheen wrote...

Still cant believe you guys are still at this..... the game is done and theres not going to be any gay dlc either just live with it. Bioware is not against having gay li's in their games they just did it with DAO but that game was the first in the series ME2 is the second and they already have a story path they have to follow. You can argue all day about how Shepard can turn spontaneously gay any moment... any good writer wouldn't do that because it doesnt make for a good cohesive story. In the end you guys need to thank BioWare for putting any real romance options at all in their games I really cant think of any other developer that has put as much effort into that area of gaming.

Shepard wouldn't be turning "spontaneously gay" (although that would certainly be hilarious). 

You assume that everyone who played ME1 romanced someone of the opposite sex, and that having a romantic interest in one gender precludes you from ever taking interest in the other.

Neither of those assumptions are true. Like you said, Bioware clearly has no problem with putting homosexual relationships in their games so it's not unreasonable to discuss how we'd like to have one added for ME2 or ME3.

[keeheen]

Lambs09 wrote...

keeheen wrote...

Still cant believe you guys are still at this..... the game is done and theres not going to be any gay dlc either just live with it. Bioware is not against having gay li's in their games they just did it with DAO but that game was the first in the series ME2 is the second and they already have a story path they have to follow. You can argue all day about how Shepard can turn spontaneously gay any moment... any good writer wouldn't do that because it doesnt make for a good cohesive story. In the end you guys need to thank BioWare for putting any real romance options at all in their games I really cant think of any other developer that has put as much effort into that area of gaming.

Shepard wouldn't be turning "spontaneously gay" (although that would certainly be hilarious). 

You assume that everyone who played ME1 romanced someone of the opposite sex, and that having a romantic interest in one gender precludes you from ever taking interest in the other.

Neither of those assumptions are true. Like you said, Bioware clearly has no problem with putting homosexual relationships in their games so it's not unreasonable to discuss how we'd like to have one added for ME2 or ME3.

Its not unreasonable buts its not going to happen because the games done I cant see a reason why they would start one in ME3 but who knows maybe youll start with another character besides Shepard.

Modifié par keeheen, 26 janvier 2010 - 04:34 .

[DaeJi]

Megalomaniac21 wrote...

I didn't mean to imply that. However, IMO I think it would just be best to spend the time on what makes the game great which is the universe its set in. Romances are great. BUT, what makes Bioware games so ambitious are what they do with the mechanics of the game, and when they themselves quote ME as being ambitious, they aren't referring to anything that they're doing with their romances though that is a miniscule part of it. 

If romances were such a small part of the game, explain the resources put in to them as well as the many, many threads about them. What makes a BioWare game is a multitude of factors, including romances.

keeheen wrote...
Its no unreasonable buts its not going to
happen because the games done I cant see a reason why they would start
one in ME3 but who knows maybe youll start with another character
besides Shepard.

If only there were a way to add content to a game after it has been released. Maybe something that you could, I dunno, download from the internet or something. They could call in something fancy like... down.. loadable content! That's a good name for, wordy though. How about... DLC!

Ah, dreams.

Modifié par DaeJi, 26 janvier 2010 - 04:36 .

[Steampunk Beauty]

I support same sex romances in Mass Effect. I would assume that civilization would've culturally evolved enough to become more openminded about something as trivial as who gets into whose pants.



For those who make the religious argument, (which I'm not putting down nor erecting as a viable excuse) it would make sense that the human race's many different religions and gods would change as it faces opposition with the gods of other alien worlds, no? It might come to fruition that the resulting product of those interactions would result in common religions that may be perfectly fine with gay and lesbian relations.



Gogo Equality. Failfail Bigotry.

[Actua]

keeheen wrote...

Still cant believe you guys are still at this..... the game is done and theres not going to be any gay dlc either just live with it. Bioware is not against having gay li's in their games they just did it with DAO but that game was the first in the series ME2 is the second and they already have a story path they have to follow. You can argue all day about how Shepard can turn spontaneously gay any moment... any good writer wouldn't do that because it doesnt make for a good cohesive story. In the end you guys need to thank BioWare for putting any real romance options at all in their games I really cant think of any other developer that has put as much effort into that area of gaming.

Here's the problem with this argument: Mass Effect is a role-playing series. You should have the ability to play your character however you see fit. While Bioware does have a set marketing Shepard (neutral, soldier, default face), the concept of "Shepard" is that he/she is faceless.

With regards to the writing, there's simply nothing to it. If Shepard can have lesbian sex with an alien in Mass Effect 1, then it really isn't a leap of logic to have sex with a man. Further, what if lesbian Shepard decided to go for Jacob in Mass Effect 2? Would that not be 'out of writing character'? It's quite possible for a 'gay' Shepard to simply have no love interest in Mass Effect 1 or 2, then when a gay character comes along in Mass Effect 3, he jumps right on that (literally, if  you wish). Even then, there's much possibility for Shepard to be bisexual--which is a whole new can of worms.

Bottom line, if it were following the writing properly, there would be no choice. I just find it offensive that Bioware would include lesbian sex (Liara, Kelly), but no gay sex.

[keeheen]

Actua wrote...

keeheen wrote...

Still cant believe you guys are still at this..... the game is done and theres not going to be any gay dlc either just live with it. Bioware is not against having gay li's in their games they just did it with DAO but that game was the first in the series ME2 is the second and they already have a story path they have to follow. You can argue all day about how Shepard can turn spontaneously gay any moment... any good writer wouldn't do that because it doesnt make for a good cohesive story. In the end you guys need to thank BioWare for putting any real romance options at all in their games I really cant think of any other developer that has put as much effort into that area of gaming.

Here's the problem with this argument: Mass Effect is a role-playing series. You should have the ability to play your character however you see fit. While Bioware does have a set marketing Shepard (neutral, soldier, default face), the concept of "Shepard" is that he/she is faceless.

With regards to the writing, there's simply nothing to it. If Shepard can have lesbian sex with an alien in Mass Effect 1, then it really isn't a leap of logic to have sex with a man. Further, what if lesbian Shepard decided to go for Jacob in Mass Effect 2? Would that not be 'out of writing character'? It's quite possible for a 'gay' Shepard to simply have no love interest in Mass Effect 1 or 2, then when a gay character comes along in Mass Effect 3, he jumps right on that (literally, if  you wish). Even then, there's much possibility for Shepard to be bisexual--which is a whole new can of worms.

Bottom line, if it were following the writing properly, there would be no choice. I just find it offensive that Bioware would include lesbian sex (Liara, Kelly), but no gay sex.

Like I said you can argue all night about BioWares choices but its not going to change anything the game is done.

[Phate Phoenix]

keeheen wrote...

Actua wrote...

keeheen wrote...

Still cant believe you guys are still at this..... the game is done and theres not going to be any gay dlc either just live with it. Bioware is not against having gay li's in their games they just did it with DAO but that game was the first in the series ME2 is the second and they already have a story path they have to follow. You can argue all day about how Shepard can turn spontaneously gay any moment... any good writer wouldn't do that because it doesnt make for a good cohesive story. In the end you guys need to thank BioWare for putting any real romance options at all in their games I really cant think of any other developer that has put as much effort into that area of gaming.

Here's the problem with this argument: Mass Effect is a role-playing series. You should have the ability to play your character however you see fit. While Bioware does have a set marketing Shepard (neutral, soldier, default face), the concept of "Shepard" is that he/she is faceless.

With regards to the writing, there's simply nothing to it. If Shepard can have lesbian sex with an alien in Mass Effect 1, then it really isn't a leap of logic to have sex with a man. Further, what if lesbian Shepard decided to go for Jacob in Mass Effect 2? Would that not be 'out of writing character'? It's quite possible for a 'gay' Shepard to simply have no love interest in Mass Effect 1 or 2, then when a gay character comes along in Mass Effect 3, he jumps right on that (literally, if  you wish). Even then, there's much possibility for Shepard to be bisexual--which is a whole new can of worms.

Bottom line, if it were following the writing properly, there would be no choice. I just find it offensive that Bioware would include lesbian sex (Liara, Kelly), but no gay sex.

Like I said you can argue all night about BioWares choices but its not going to change anything the game is done.

Yes, we know. The triology itself, however, has not yet ended.

[Lambs09]

Megalomaniac21 wrote...

I didn't mean to imply that. However, IMO I think it would just be best to spend the time on what makes the game great which is the universe its set in. Romances are great. BUT, what makes Bioware games so ambitious are what they do with the mechanics of the game, and when they themselves quote ME as being ambitious, they aren't referring to anything that they're doing with their romances though that is a miniscule part of it. 

You're absolutely right, the romance part of the game could be inconsequential to the larger story and we'd be none the worse for there not being a same-sex option.  I have yet to play the game so it's anyone's guess.

I would argue that it's pretty ambitious from a developer's view to assume that the player will get attached to a (scripted) fictional character.  That opens up a whole new dimension for storytelling - for example, say instead of watching a character act jealous in a cutscene, you actually feel jealous and then make decisions based on that emotion.  There was a little bit of that in Dragon Age, but maybe that's not what Bioware was aiming for with ME2.

[Chained_Creator]

Ethan009 wrote...
Seeing as they had one in the first one I could see it as a valid assumption.

If you consider material that was deliberately removed from the game as being 'in the game', sure.

[triggerhippy]

ERJAK2 wrote...

SorrowAndJoy7 wrote...

Out of curiousity since I can't seem to recall any, has bioware ever done a character that was a same sex li, but wasn't bi. Like only available through same sex romance options?

No, I don't think they have.

The closest I have seen would be Leliani. I romanced her with both a male and female character but she definitely preferred women. Couldn't stop talking about them.  Zevran on the other hand leaned more towards straightness. I liked both npcs a lot.  Bioware did a wonderful job with their personalities.