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[ERJAK2]

RideASpaceCowboy wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

This thread  is about the merits of having a same-sex romance option in ME games.

Please refrain from general discussions about homosexuality and/or religion.  Thank you.

This makes about as much sense as talking about who should be elected president in 2012 but asking people to refrain from bringing politics into the discussion.  The presidency is inherently a political issue.

Likewise, human sexuality is a moral, and therefore religious, issue. 

BioWare, do NOT bend to the whims of these liberal activists who want to exploit your fine product for their own political agenda.

1 word...Leliana.

Has there been any further confirmation of Kasumi as a character because Zaeed is lame and it's the best shot we have at getting a bi character in game.

[AlanC9]

Gladiador2 wrote...

Hmm...to Alan, let's see, why damn you care about it?

I don't. If it wasn't for people like you showing up I'd have no interest at all in the thread. Edit: meaning people who are opposed to it, as opposed to just thinking it's not very important.

And BTW, never in my life I've seen people "flaunting their straightness" as here in Spain I see people "flaunting their gayness" every damn day.

What kind of behavior do you mean, exactly? I've never seen any such thing in New York. Maybe in Spain they feel the need to be more confrontational because they face more opposition.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 janvier 2010 - 09:02 .

[gamergamergamer]

AlanC9 wrote...

CommanderShepard2183 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Absolutely. Why do heterosexuals insist on flaunting their straightness?

Hmm... Lets see here... Because its normal?

So's being gay. It's occurred in all cultures, in all times, and even occurs in many animal species (just in case you were about to play some sort of "original sin" card. Or are you using some sort of secret definition of normal? If so, could you please provide it?

animals are also frequently incestuous, extremly violent and do other disgusting things like eat their own ****. does that mean that kind of behavior in humans is acceptable? just because the gay mutation is present in the animal kingdom as well doesnt make it any more ''normal''

[steve1945]

I disagree with Homosexuality





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[Ashbery]

These threads are a pain in the butt.

[drhys23]

Arik7 wrote...

drhys23 wrote...

hrrrm i'm with bioware on this one. for whatever reason, they chose not to make shep ******/bisexual in the first game (discounting the "alien" loophole) so it wouldn't really make sense from a narrative standpoint to suddenly have this become a preference. it worked really well in dragon age, and i'm happy they were able to implement it in that game, but personally don't see how it could work in mass effect at this point and be believable.

That's a lame excuse.  If a Shepard did not romance anybody in ME, it would not be unrealistic for him to romance a man in ME2. 

 well that's true, altough i don't feel i was making an excuse, but simply offering an opinion.

[ERJAK2]

jselene wrote...

We're getting off-topic again. Please stop. And, as others mentioned before, these topics keep appearing because contentious individuals derail the threads, causing the devs to lock them down... and then, voila!, a new one pops up. So, really guys. If you don't like these threads, joining them is the last thing you want to do.

If you wish to correct ignorant people do it swiftly at the beginning of the post, with as little vitriol as possible, then comment on something about the game that is relevant to the topic.

[Darth_Shizz]

RideASpaceCowboy wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

This thread  is about the merits of having a same-sex romance option in ME games.

Please refrain from general discussions about homosexuality and/or religion.  Thank you.

This makes about as much sense as talking about who should be elected president in 2012 but asking people to refrain from bringing politics into the discussion.  The presidency is inherently a political issue.

Likewise, human sexuality is a moral, and therefore religious, issue. 

BioWare, do NOT bend to the whims of these liberal activists who want to exploit your fine product for their own political agenda.

What exactly does morality have to do with religion? 

Really.

I don't get it.

Wizard?

Enchantment?



Though I agree with the bolded/italicised point. It's a pretty good rule to go by in game production.

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 24 janvier 2010 - 09:02 .

[MassFrost]

ERJAK2 wrote...

RideASpaceCowboy wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

This thread  is about the merits of having a same-sex romance option in ME games.

Please refrain from general discussions about homosexuality and/or religion.  Thank you.

This makes about as much sense as talking about who should be elected president in 2012 but asking people to refrain from bringing politics into the discussion.  The presidency is inherently a political issue.

Likewise, human sexuality is a moral, and therefore religious, issue. 

BioWare, do NOT bend to the whims of these liberal activists who want to exploit your fine product for their own political agenda.

1 word...Leliana.

Has there been any further confirmation of Kasumi as a character because Zaeed is lame and it's the best shot we have at getting a bi character in game.

In the long run, what the hell does it really matter? Sexual orientation doesn't define a person, nor should it have any signifcant bearing in the story of Mass Effect 2. The love interest is a minimal part of the story at best. Go watch porn if you're that hard up to see some gay sex.

[RideASpaceCowboy]

ERJAK2 wrote...

RideASpaceCowboy wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

This thread  is about the merits of having a same-sex romance option in ME games.

Please refrain from general discussions about homosexuality and/or religion.  Thank you.

This makes about as much sense as talking about who should be elected president in 2012 but asking people to refrain from bringing politics into the discussion.  The presidency is inherently a political issue.

Likewise, human sexuality is a moral, and therefore religious, issue. 

BioWare, do NOT bend to the whims of these liberal activists who want to exploit your fine product for their own political agenda.

1 word...Leliana.

Well of course chick-on-chick action is OK.  That' not politics; it's just hot.  

And besides, all chicks that are honest with themselves are a little bi-curious.  

[CommanderShepard2183]

Gladiador2 wrote...

CommanderShepard2183 wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

CommanderShepard2183 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

Best thing you can make is to keep it for yourself, your boyfriend AND the people you want to know.

Absolutely. Why do heterosexuals insist on flaunting their straightness?

Hmm... Lets see here... Because its normal?

Hmm...to Alan, let's see, why damn you care about it?

And BTW, never in my life I've seen people "flaunting their straightness" as here in Spain I see people "flaunting their gayness" every damn day.

Gay scene is exagerating every day, and by far. I repeat, I'm gay and I'd like to see a same-sex relationship in the game, but man, it looks like well as if your lifes will end if Bioware doesn't include it!

Exactly! You don't see a straight parade, now do you?

Yup. I'm against them (gay parades), too. But not for the same reasons as you.

You know, I've a VERY STRAIGHT friend who I came out many years ago, and he said it didn't matter at all to him. When I asked him "Why?", he just replied: "Because I'm so sure I'm straight, and that I like woman that I don't feel attacked by your sexual preferences. If you don't feel attacked by something, you don't turn violent against it, either. It's basic human psicology".

So, morality of this is that probably you're a gay-in-denial. So go and see a damn psiquiatrist that helps you and leave the rest of us in peace, thanks. It's the best for your mental integrity, too.

I'm speechless. You figured me out, Mr. ProfessionalPhsychiatrist. I've finally decided to come out of the closet! (Sarcasm, in case you're too ignorant to understand)

The REAL morality is this:  Everybody has some kind of gay or unnatural fantasy in their lifetime. It's inevitable. However, how we react to these fantasies makes us who we are; Some, reject them and move on with their lives; Others, think that this is natural and appeal to these fantasies. I am the first category. I try to do what I do daily, but can't because I have to deal with homos constantly flaunting their gayness. I wouldn't have a problem if they kept to themselves, but when they start saying things like "Gay Pride!" or "Gay is the way!" I get annoyed. Pissed off is the more proper word. Saying that someone who is frustrated by gays is a gay-in-denial, is the most generic thing I've ever heard. I mean seriously, thats third grade material. It especially doesn't say much about your opinion when you spell phsychology wrong. It really shows you know what you're talking about.

[ERJAK2]

MassFrost wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

RideASpaceCowboy wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

This thread  is about the merits of having a same-sex romance option in ME games.

Please refrain from general discussions about homosexuality and/or religion.  Thank you.

This makes about as much sense as talking about who should be elected president in 2012 but asking people to refrain from bringing politics into the discussion.  The presidency is inherently a political issue.

Likewise, human sexuality is a moral, and therefore religious, issue. 

BioWare, do NOT bend to the whims of these liberal activists who want to exploit your fine product for their own political agenda.

1 word...Leliana.

Has there been any further confirmation of Kasumi as a character because Zaeed is lame and it's the best shot we have at getting a bi character in game.

In the long run, what the hell does it really matter? Sexual orientation doesn't define a person, nor should it have any signifcant bearing in the story of Mass Effect 2. The love interest is a minimal part of the story at best. Go watch porn if you're that hard up to see some gay sex.

Your argument is more a justification for inclusion of gay romance options until the ignorance of the last sentence.

Kelly chambers seems to be the best chance at even a bone being thrown pre-dlc.

[TheAnima]

CommanderShepard2183 wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

CommanderShepard2183 wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

CommanderShepard2183 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

Best thing you can make is to keep it for yourself, your boyfriend AND the people you want to know.

Absolutely. Why do heterosexuals insist on flaunting their straightness?

Hmm... Lets see here... Because its normal?

Hmm...to Alan, let's see, why damn you care about it?

And BTW, never in my life I've seen people "flaunting their straightness" as here in Spain I see people "flaunting their gayness" every damn day.

Gay scene is exagerating every day, and by far. I repeat, I'm gay and I'd like to see a same-sex relationship in the game, but man, it looks like well as if your lifes will end if Bioware doesn't include it!

Exactly! You don't see a straight parade, now do you?

Yup. I'm against them (gay parades), too. But not for the same reasons as you.

You know, I've a VERY STRAIGHT friend who I came out many years ago, and he said it didn't matter at all to him. When I asked him "Why?", he just replied: "Because I'm so sure I'm straight, and that I like woman that I don't feel attacked by your sexual preferences. If you don't feel attacked by something, you don't turn violent against it, either. It's basic human psicology".

So, morality of this is that probably you're a gay-in-denial. So go and see a damn psiquiatrist that helps you and leave the rest of us in peace, thanks. It's the best for your mental integrity, too.

I'm speechless. You figured me out, Mr. ProfessionalPhsychiatrist. I've finally decided to come out of the closet! (Sarcasm, in case you're too ignorant to understand)

The REAL morality is this:  Everybody has some kind of gay or unnatural fantasy in their lifetime. It's inevitable. However, how we react to these fantasies makes us who we are; Some, reject them and move on with their lives; Others, think that this is natural and appeal to these fantasies. I am the first category. I try to do what I do daily, but can't because I have to deal with homos constantly flaunting their gayness. I wouldn't have a problem if they kept to themselves, but when they start saying things like "Gay Pride!" or "Gay is the way!" I get annoyed. Pissed off is the more proper word. Saying that someone who is frustrated by gays is a gay-in-denial, is the most generic thing I've ever heard. I mean seriously, thats third grade material. It especially doesn't say much about your opinion when you spell phsychology wrong. It really shows you know what you're talking about.

You know, I didn't agree with the person you were responding to... until you responded.

[Kurt M.]

gamergamergamer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

CommanderShepard2183 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Absolutely. Why do heterosexuals insist on flaunting their straightness?

Hmm... Lets see here... Because its normal?

So's being gay. It's occurred in all cultures, in all times, and even occurs in many animal species (just in case you were about to play some sort of "original sin" card. Or are you using some sort of secret definition of normal? If so, could you please provide it?

animals are also frequently incestuous, extremly violent and do other disgusting things like eat their own ****. does that mean that kind of behavior in humans is acceptable? just because the gay mutation is present in the animal kingdom as well doesnt make it any more ''normal''

That's just incredible...you homophobic people change from "we must follow nature's and animals example" to "we must not be like animals" in a matter of seconds. It'd be funny if society weren't so stupid to take your arguments seriously.

I'm off of this (and similar) threads, as I'm really tired of people like you. Happily they understand not to bother me in my life, and I correspond ignoring them. For all the gays here, believe me, it's the best thing to be done.

Bye.

Modifié par Gladiador2, 24 janvier 2010 - 09:06 .

[jakl201]

Yes, yes, hold out hope that the next 'secret' character is a lezbo. Ugh.

[MassFrost]

ERJAK2 wrote...

MassFrost wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

RideASpaceCowboy wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

This thread  is about the merits of having a same-sex romance option in ME games.

Please refrain from general discussions about homosexuality and/or religion.  Thank you.

This makes about as much sense as talking about who should be elected president in 2012 but asking people to refrain from bringing politics into the discussion.  The presidency is inherently a political issue.

Likewise, human sexuality is a moral, and therefore religious, issue. 

BioWare, do NOT bend to the whims of these liberal activists who want to exploit your fine product for their own political agenda.

1 word...Leliana.

Has there been any further confirmation of Kasumi as a character because Zaeed is lame and it's the best shot we have at getting a bi character in game.

In the long run, what the hell does it really matter? Sexual orientation doesn't define a person, nor should it have any signifcant bearing in the story of Mass Effect 2. The love interest is a minimal part of the story at best. Go watch porn if you're that hard up to see some gay sex.

Your argument is more a justification for inclusion of gay romance options until the ignorance of the last sentence.

Kelly chambers seems to be the best chance at even a bone being thrown pre-dlc.

I've said it before, I don't care if homosexual love interests are in the game or not, it really makes no difference to me. My biggest complaint is that it's clear BioWare has decided they did not want to include that possibility into the game, so posting thread after thread with incessant whining over such a minor issue doesn't seem productive at all to me. How about just play the game and enjoy it? Is the exclusion of a homosexual romance option really going to ruin the play experience for you?

[Darth_Shizz]

CommanderShepard2183 wrote...

The REAL morality is this:  Everybody has some kind of gay or unnatural fantasy in their lifetime. It's inevitable. However, how we react to these fantasies makes us who we are; Some, reject them and move on with their lives; Others, think that this is natural and appeal to these fantasies. I am the first category. I try to do what I do daily, but can't because I have to deal with homos constantly flaunting their gayness. I wouldn't have a problem if they kept to themselves, but when they start saying things like "Gay Pride!" or "Gay is the way!" I get annoyed. Pissed off is the more proper word. Saying that someone who is frustrated by gays is a gay-in-denial, is the most generic thing I've ever heard. I mean seriously, thats third grade material. It especially doesn't say much about your opinion when you spell phsychology wrong. It really shows you know what you're talking about.

Care to share these gay fantasies you've forced yourself to reject? Hearing would be fabulous 

Oh. In fact, come join a group with us, since it's probably not an appropriate topic for such a hate-free and upstanding thread.

[Eternal Dust]

To all the people out there complaining about these threads: If you don't like so many of them popping up maybe you should do yourselves a favor and stop trolling in them to get them locked in the first place. We would have been happy with having only one thread but you morons keep derailing it.

[AlanC9]

gamergamergamer wrote...

animals are also frequently incestuous, extremly violent and do other disgusting things like eat their own ****. does that mean that kind of behavior in humans is acceptable? just because the gay mutation is present in the animal kingdom as well doesnt make it any more ''normal''

I probably shouldn't bite, since this comes from a recent handle from someone who only posts in these threads. Troll much?

Anyway, my point was that  saying something's normal isn't an argument . It doesn't prove anything. It doesn't even imply anything.

[jselene]

ERJAK2 wrote...

jselene wrote...

We're getting off-topic again. Please stop. And, as others mentioned before, these topics keep appearing because contentious individuals derail the threads, causing the devs to lock them down... and then, voila!, a new one pops up. So, really guys. If you don't like these threads, joining them is the last thing you want to do.

If you wish to correct ignorant people do it swiftly at the beginning of the post, with as little vitriol as possible, then comment on something about the game that is relevant to the topic.

Point taken.  xD  Sorry!  
Anyway, I think that there should be same-sex romance options.  They had one in ME, which, to the best of my knowledge, did not hurt sales at all.  I think Bioware is being overly cautious in its attempt to appeal to shooter fans, which isn't bad in itself, but... Hopefully, they'll change their minds by ME3, seeing how DA:O's same-sex romance didn't cause the media backlash in America that ME's did.

[CommanderShepard2183]

ERJAK2 wrote...

MassFrost wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

RideASpaceCowboy wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

This thread  is about the merits of having a same-sex romance option in ME games.

Please refrain from general discussions about homosexuality and/or religion.  Thank you.

This makes about as much sense as talking about who should be elected president in 2012 but asking people to refrain from bringing politics into the discussion.  The presidency is inherently a political issue.

Likewise, human sexuality is a moral, and therefore religious, issue. 

BioWare, do NOT bend to the whims of these liberal activists who want to exploit your fine product for their own political agenda.

1 word...Leliana.

Has there been any further confirmation of Kasumi as a character because Zaeed is lame and it's the best shot we have at getting a bi character in game.

In the long run, what the hell does it really matter? Sexual orientation doesn't define a person, nor should it have any signifcant bearing in the story of Mass Effect 2. The love interest is a minimal part of the story at best. Go watch porn if you're that hard up to see some gay sex.

Your argument is more a justification for inclusion of gay romance options until the ignorance of the last sentence.

Kelly chambers seems to be the best chance at even a bone being thrown pre-dlc.

Your defense is disturbing. I thought the gay community wanted to be treated "equally"? You're basically telling this man that it actually does matter what a persons sexual orientation is and that it does define a person. Which, as far as I'm concerned, is sexist. The kind that doesn't mean gender.

[Goat_Shepard]

I liked the way DAO did the homosexuality thing..because it is quite easy to play that game for hundreds of hours and not even know there was an option to have gay relations. That's the ultimate RPG right there. This isn't a "is homosexuality wrong or not" discussion, it's a "we should have gay romance in games" discussion. If Bioware did the ****** thing for ME2 or 3 like they did with DAO, it wouldn't bother me since hey, it's your choice to pursue that outcome.



I'm straight btw lol not that there's anything wrong with that (Seinfeld reference). Gooday

[UndercoverDoctor]

This thread is pretty gay.

[SkywardDescent]

Ashbery wrote...

These threads are a pain in the butt.

*BAH DUM TISH*

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

This thread is pretty gay.

*BAH DUM TISH*

Modifié par SkywardDescent, 24 janvier 2010 - 09:10 .

[CommanderShepard2183]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

CommanderShepard2183 wrote...

The REAL morality is this:  Everybody has some kind of gay or unnatural fantasy in their lifetime. It's inevitable. However, how we react to these fantasies makes us who we are; Some, reject them and move on with their lives; Others, think that this is natural and appeal to these fantasies. I am the first category. I try to do what I do daily, but can't because I have to deal with homos constantly flaunting their gayness. I wouldn't have a problem if they kept to themselves, but when they start saying things like "Gay Pride!" or "Gay is the way!" I get annoyed. Pissed off is the more proper word. Saying that someone who is frustrated by gays is a gay-in-denial, is the most generic thing I've ever heard. I mean seriously, thats third grade material. It especially doesn't say much about your opinion when you spell phsychology wrong. It really shows you know what you're talking about.

Care to share these gay fantasies you've forced yourself to reject? Hearing would be fabulous 

Oh. In fact, come join a group with us, since it's probably not an appropriate topic for such a hate-free and upstanding thread.

I've already forgotten them, but the memory that they were there isn't gone.