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[xkg]

I did, but then Awakening came. I said screw it and "resurected"¹ her back.

She's allright, laughing at all those "but the warden is dead" out there.

 

¹Imported. 

[Revan Reborn]

Mine lived and became the Warden commander in Awakening. The canon storyline has the Warden dying killing the Archdemon. 

While there technically is a "canon storyline" for novels and comics (female dalish elf who made the ultimate sacrifice), it hardly is relevant to the games as BioWare attempts to avoid placing restrictions on the fan base. I'm more curious of how many actually made the ultimate sacrifice as that would be more telling how BioWare would ultimately respond.

 

The canon story is the default state at the Keep if I'm not mistaken.

Dragon Age Keep does not have a default world state to my knowledge. I'm fairly certain it's just randomly generated. You can play DAI with its default world state, which I believe are primarily decisions where everybody lives.

 

Inevitably? That's a strong word. Just because something is in the Keep doesn't mean it will affect DA:I.

Granted, the fate of the Warden will very likely have its part to play in DA:I. But if it is anything like any of the other games that Bioware has used the Save Import with, this will be limited in scope, likely a Codex reference, slight dialogue change, maybe a side/fetch quest if it is truly a "large" choice. Expecting anything more than that is setting expectations too high.

The reason I used the word is because we know by confirmation of BioWare that the Warden will have a presence. That is why being alive or dead will likely change how he is addressed in DAI. I expect entirely for this to be a side quest of some sort or possibly tied to Leliana or Blackwall. Again, based on your decisions could determine how these events unfold.

[Battlebloodmage]

I was under the impression there was a canon for the books?

there is a Canon for the book but it's David Gaider canon which is also different from Bioware canon if I remember correctly from the Bioware forum.

[Imported_beer]

Most of my wardens made the sacrifice personally.

 

My less...altruistic ones made others make that sacrifice.

 

None of my wardens have done the dark ritual.

[sylvanaerie]

Keep has a default.  It's Dalish, US. 

[wcholcombe]

there is a Canon for the book but it's David Gaider canon which is also different from Bioware canon if I remember correctly from the Bioware forum.

No, the DG canon and BW canon are the same, but the canon story has no impact on the individual games.

[Jaison1986]

Nope, big family with Morrigan

 

[Fast Jimmy]

There are some choices, but while I have not read the newest book(or the pre-DAO books), asunder and the graphic novels never mentioned the warden being alive or dead, that I remember.

They assume a female city elf who made the U.S.

[Eudaemonium]

They assume a female city elf who made the U.S.

 

Dalish elf. But otherwise, yes.

 

The comics use a Dark Ritualified Alistair, though.

[Meltemph]

They assume a female city elf who made the U.S.

Sure, but do you ever remember reading about it in the books? Cause I dont.

[wcholcombe]

Dalish elf. But otherwise, yes.

 

The comics use a Dark Ritualified Alistair, though.

What?  There is no reference to the Dark ritual in the comics....

 

He is king yes, but I don't recall him being DRed.

[Elevon]

First play through I did,second time I did the dark ritual,always nice to try different outcome.

[rda]

I tried. Played first time without a guide. Romanced Alistair, went to take the final blow, and was stunned when he did it instead so I didn't have to die.

[dsl08002]

I think that bioware used the dalish US only to make it easy on themself. With the story of the inquisition.

[Aurok]

I only completed Origins once, and my Warden sacrificed herself. I don't think the Keep even asks you to clarify if you played Awakening with the Orlesian commander or if you cheated your dead Warden back to life, which is weird. If DAI assumes the cheat scenario over the legit scenario I'll be annoyed.

[Gold Dragon]

My City Elf does the US, but all others do the DR.  Theron (Dalish Elf) does it himself, the others have Alistair do it.

[Medhia_Nox]

My Main Warden is a selfish prig and he wanted Alistair out of the picture for political reasons so he refused Morrigan (but had a normal child with her via romance) - allowed Alistair to sacrifice himself - and married Anora with every intent of putting Morrigan/Cousland child on throne of Ferelden. 

[Revan Reborn]

I think that bioware used the dalish US only to make it easy on themself. With the story of the inquisition.

I do believe it was a way to wrap up loose ends and not have to worry about overlap. If the Warden actually survived, and given his presence and importance in Ferelden, it's ludicrous to believe he wouldn't play a significant role in the country's future. We already know Alistair will be present, and for me he is the King of Ferelden. I don't see why his second-in-command also wouldn't be in the mix as my Warden-Commander is the leader of the Ferelden army.

[Snook]

Well, my canon Warden lived, she got Alistair to do the ritual. Felt kinda bad about all the stuff she made Alistair do over the course of the game, but...better than being dead at least. I think my Warden was the 'Only an idiot doesn't fear death.' type - the option was there, Morrigan was basically her sister and it's what she wanted...so, live another day.

[Meltemph]

I only completed Origins once, and my Warden sacrificed herself. I don't think the Keep even asks you to clarify if you played Awakening with the Orlesian commander or if you cheated your dead Warden back to life, which is weird. If DAI assumes the cheat scenario over the legit scenario I'll be annoyed.

I think this is actually why they went with the keep vs actual transfers(among other reasons). I always had to keep my warden alive if I wanted to transfer decisions into DA:A, with the keep it looks like I can be the Orlesian Warden in DA:A, while transferring all my choices from DAO. I'm very happy with this if this is the case. Was quite annoying in DA:A how you couldnt be a dead warden due to the way their flag system worked, this is a nice work-a-round.

[thesuperdarkone2]

All my wardens are alive because I formed weird, sentimental attachments to them.

Same, even for my scumbag wardens

[wolfsite]

I made the Ultimate Sacrifice with my first character, however Alister couldn't bare losing my Elf Warden like that and he pushed her aside and made the final blow himself.

[Johun]

The comics use a Dark Ritualified Alistair, though.

If I may ask, what evidence is this based on? This panel from The Silent Grove Issue 6?

Spoiler

While the Dark Ritual is certainly the most meaningful one, it's hardly the only unpleasant ritual Alistair was forced to witness during the course of DA:O.

As to the original question; I have always considered the Ultimate Sacrifice to be the right choice. To end the Blight while preserving the power behind it is utterly contrary to what the Grey Wardens are about. It is the only choice I can respect, I imagine any Warden with an ounce of heroism in them would regret the Dark Ritual for the rest of their life, especially as their Calling came near.
Not that there isn't any narrative value to an angsty guilt-ridden character, but seeing as we are unlikely to see the Warden again in any substantial capacity, I'd rather let them earn their victory and rest. The funeral scene serves as a nice bookend to the character.

[wcholcombe]

If I may ask, what evidence is this based on? This panel from The Silent Grove Issue 6?

Spoiler

While the Dark Ritual is certainly the most meaningful one, it's hardly the only unpleasant ritual Alistair was forced to witness during the course of DA:O.

As to the original question; I have always considered the Ultimate Sacrifice to be the right choice. To end the Blight while preserving the power behind it is utterly contrary to what the Grey Wardens are about. It is the only choice I can respect, I imagine any Warden with an ounce of heroism in them would regret the Dark Ritual for the rest of their life, especially as their Calling came near.
Not that there isn't any narrative value to an angsty guil-ridden character, but seeing

Oh that, I assumed when reading that that he had turned down Morrigan, just lik ehe does her sister in the comic.