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Who actually made the Ultimate Sacrifice in DAO?


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#101
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Yep. My human male warden who romanced Morrigan did the US.

 

I used to have my ladies do it but meh screw that. I'll get my golden ending and have Loghain bite it with archie and marry Alistair off to Anora.

 

Everyone wins.

 

But Morrigan anyway.

 

So yay.


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#102
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My warden died in glorious battle! No unresolved story, no crazy old god baby for Morrigan, and no problems as to why I won't see him in Inquisition.
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Here.

My warden was a lady, but the OGB sounded shifty, so I wasn't talking Alistair into it. And have to say, absolutely loved the US ending. Felt kind of perfect for my story. Also had a thing going with Leliana, I'm interested to see how that will come up in DAI. I mean, she wrote a song about it.
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Yep. My human male warden who romanced Morrigan did the US.

 

I used to have my ladies do it but meh screw that. I'll get my golden ending and have Loghain bite it with archie and marry Alistair off to Anora.

 

Everyone wins.

 

But Morrigan anyway.

 

So yay.

So you gave her a human baby instead. :blink:



#105
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So you gave her a human baby instead. :blink:

 

On my human dude? In his defense he didn't know she was preggo.


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#106
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there is no canon the default exist only to give choices that make the most sense to newcomers.

Not exactly. It creates a world-state with the least possible dependence on events in the previous games. 

 



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As for the topic: I played the US once, but as usual when I do things requiring a mindset I feel unable to adopt, the Warden ceased to be my character as soon as I did it, and I didn't continue that world-state in DA2.

 

The problem? If I have my second Grey Warden with me - and I always do since I don't play stupid - there is sufficient reason to let them do the kill that making the kill yourself appears to require a deathseeker mindset. Alistair is the senior Warden who would traditionally make the kill, and the only setup where I'd want to sacrifice my life for his regardless is when I romance him, and then I don't get the chance. For Loghain this is his chance at a redemption, which I'm certainly not dying to prevent.

 

So, even where my Warden was wary enough to avoid the Dark Ritual - and those I do play even if it's not my preference, because it's plausible for some of my Wardens - making the US requires me to either play stupid and not bring my second Grey Warden, Alistair's life being imporant enough to sacrifice my life for him in spite of not being in a romance with him *and* in spite of the Wardens' tradition about who makes the kill, or a deathseeker's mindset. All of those mindsets are sufficiently alien to me that doing the US alienates me from my character too much.

 

Of course the fact that I dislike the heroic sacrifice trope is the starting point of all this.   



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My "canon" warden (at least for my first DA:I playthrough) made the sacrifice. Not out of altruism, not out of a fear of what the OGB might become, but out of a selfish, cowardly desire for redemption. In forging Ferelden into the weapon she needed to defeat the blight she had commited so many wrongs. She did what she had to. And it worked. But despite that, she could not live with what she had done. The lives thrown away, the futures sacrificed, the friends betrayed, all to give her the advantages and tools needed to defeat the darkspawn. She had the courage to fight the blight, but she didn't have the courage to face what lay beyond or to live with her sins, no matter how justfied they might have been. So she refused Morrigan's offer, and then, with the Archdemon lying wounded, she refused to grant Loghain his chance at redemption, for, in a last selfish act, that was hers alone to claim. Ferelden had it's Hero, her methods forgotten in the celebrations of victory and she had the freedom of death.

 

My "second most canon" warden didn't, instead letting Alistair get jiggy with Morrigan. Don't think any of my other ones made the sacrifice either - though a couple had Loghain do so (which I personally regard as the all round "best" option, with hardened Alastair ruling alongside Anora).



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It felt like the right choice considering the alternatives.


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My elf mage warden chose for Alistair to go through the dark ritual so they could both live on as wardens together. Queen Anora seemed like the better ruler anyway. I'm beginning to regret this decision though, have a very bad feeling about this old god baby.. Why did I insist on being selfish? There wasn't even a nice cinematic like with other endings. I feel like such a fool xD

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My "canon" warden (at least for my first DA:I playthrough) made the sacrifice. Not out of altruism, not out of a fear of what the OGB might become, but out of a selfish, cowardly desire for redemption. In forging Ferelden into the weapon she needed to defeat the blight she had commited so many wrongs. She did what she had to. And it worked. But despite that, she could not live with what she had done. The lives thrown away, the futures sacrificed, the friends betrayed, all to give her the advantages and tools needed to defeat the darkspawn. She had the courage to fight the blight, but she didn't have the courage to face what lay beyond or to live with her sins, no matter how justfied they might have been. So she refused Morrigan's offer, and then, with the Archdemon lying wounded, she refused to grant Loghain his chance at redemption, for, in a last selfish act, that was hers alone to claim. Ferelden had it's Hero, her methods forgotten in the celebrations of victory and she had the freedom of death.

 

My "second most canon" warden didn't, instead letting Alistair get jiggy with Morrigan.

LOL....what a coincidence that I mentioned that the US pretty much required a deathseeker mindset. And here we have it. This makes perfect sense, but it's a mindset I find pretty hard to roleplay.



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Nope, but there's always the keep for that  :lol:



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there is no canon the default exist only to give choices that make the most sense to newcomers.

 

There is an internal bioware canon which does involve the dalish warden doing the ultimate sacrifice but it doesn't effect our games.

 

 

And to answer OP all my wardens ended with someone dying killing the archdemon except one where I did the ritual to get the achievement.


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LOL....what a coincidence that I mentioned that the US pretty much required a deathseeker mindset. And here we have it. This makes perfect sense, but it's a mindset I find pretty hard to roleplay.

 

It's not a mentaility I've really played before, and I certainly didn't originally intend for that character to have it. She was always going to be a ruthless ***** who did what she had to to end the blight, but I was planning to let Loghain take one for the team at the end. But as I was playing through the game, the character rather evolved in my mind to one who hates herself for having to take the actions she does and suddenly the thought of her ending it with the ultimate sacrifice made complete sense.



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I did on my first playthrough. I made so many mistakes on that game. Didn't even meet Leliana, never got Morrigan to like me, barely held on to Sten at all, romanced Alistair in the most clumsy awkward manner and ended up accidentally losing Zevran's affection (after accidentally gaining it)... When Morrigan brought up the ritual, I figured it had to be some kind of sneaky witch trick. So I turned her down, left king Alistair at the gate to lead his men, and did the deed.  


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#116
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My very first Warden was a female Dalish elf who did the US, which I didn't know at the time was basically BioWare's default Warden. lol 


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#117
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Nah, after I dumped Alistair, I slept with Morrigan and raise the baby together in the mirror.

I love how insane this sounds out of context :D


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#118
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Morrigan's womb...



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My Aeducan did.

 

He gets two tombs.  One in Wieshaupt, one in Orzammar


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#120
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I loved the bloody hell out of US for my Brosca. As soon as I bumped into the Legion, I fell in love with the idea that her mentality had always been "see her family safe and then do some good". I was a very dwarfy dwarf. I'm kind of a sucker for heroic sacrifice and tragic endings anyway. I think I read too many Arthurian novels at a formative age.  :P

 

I also REALLY liked my Orlesian Warden, so I hope she gets some mention. And I'm very happy that playthrough is finally one coherent chunk.



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My "canon" warden (at least for my first DA:I playthrough) made the sacrifice. Not out of altruism, not out of a fear of what the OGB might become, but out of a selfish, cowardly desire for redemption. In forging Ferelden into the weapon she needed to defeat the blight she had commited so many wrongs. She did what she had to. And it worked. But despite that, she could not live with what she had done. The lives thrown away, the futures sacrificed, the friends betrayed, all to give her the advantages and tools needed to defeat the darkspawn. She had the courage to fight the blight, but she didn't have the courage to face what lay beyond or to live with her sins, no matter how justfied they might have been. So she refused Morrigan's offer, and then, with the Archdemon lying wounded, she refused to grant Loghain his chance at redemption, for, in a last selfish act, that was hers alone to claim. Ferelden had it's Hero, her methods forgotten in the celebrations of victory and she had the freedom of death.

 

My "second most canon" warden didn't, instead letting Alistair get jiggy with Morrigan. Don't think any of my other ones made the sacrifice either - though a couple had Loghain do so (which I personally regard as the all round "best" option, with hardened Alastair ruling alongside Anora).

While not my 'canon', the mindset of my Amell US is going to be similar.  She killed as many people as it's possible--even Dog.  Screwed up in so many ways.  Then spared Loghain, forced romanced Alistair to marry Anora and then threw herself on the Archdemon.  Curious how fubared that is going to make my Inquisition run.



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 Alistair is the senior Warden who would traditionally make the kill, and the only setup where I'd want to sacrifice my life for his regardless is when I romance him, and then I don't get the chance.

 

My thinking in the two US playthroughs I've done is that both of those characters thought Alistair would be a good king, and more important than the Warden to the big picture. Also, the dwarf had the standard dwarf bloodlines obsession going, making Alistair even cooler.

 

I'm really bad at killing Alistair off, though. So there is that. He's just so dorky. It's adorable and I want to protect him! 



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Originally I went for Ultimate Sacrifice because it seemed the best option, but after Awakening came out I switched to Dark Ritual because it just wouldn't feel as meaningful to play as a different warden.



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You give me an option where I can kill the archdemon without need for sacrifice I'm gonna take it. Screw dying! You give me that magical plan C and I'm all over it. Makes things more interesting that way anyhow. B)



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Loaded an recent Mage save - who'd completed Awakenings, despite apparently having done the "Ultimate Sacrifice". 

 

I find this funny, because I know my very first warden (A Dalish Warrior archer on nightmare who use the starter bow you persuade from Ilen), did the Ultimate Sacrifice, and yet I didn't get credit for the achievement until I loaded the "Epilogue" auto-save of my most recent mage... Who knew?