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[mopotter]

Some did some didn't.  One had Loghain do the ritual.  One did it himself, a few had Alaistair do it and some told Morrigan it was not going to happen.  It was one of the fun things about DAO the number of diffeent options.

[New Kid]

How is it retconned in awakening?  You have the option to not reincarnate your warden and play as the Orlesian Commander.

I wouldn't call that an option. My choices wouldn't carry over so it ruins it for me.

[Reidbynature]

I think I did it once by re-loading an earlier save before taking Morrigan's deal, but that was just to see the different ending.  Never really cared for the ending outside of that.

[Revan Reborn]

I personally just never really saw the Ultimate Sacrifice as an option. Perhaps I'm too practical and was looking more so at the consequences and aftermath of a post-Blight Ferelden? With the Grey Wardens in shambles, half of Ferelden destroyed, it just did not make any sense at all to sacrifice my Warden when there were alternatives.

 

The Dark Ritual inevitably was the only option I could take as any other really did not make sense from my perspective. Loghain had committed treason against Ferelden, regicide against King Cailan, and was more than happy to see half of Ferelden burn if they did not bend to his will. He had to be put down like the mad dog he was, and my Warden was more than happy to enforce justice in the honor of Cailan, Duncan, and all of those who died for nothing. Letting Loghain become a Grey Warden would have been the ultimate insult to the organization and it would have even been a greater lie had he been celebrated as a hero for making the ultimate sacrifice. History had to remember him for the villain he truly was.

 

As far as Alistair was concerned, he also could not be sacrificed, or even remain a Grey Warden. My Warden made Alistair King of Ferelden because he understood what it meant to be an outsider and had compassion for his fellow men and women, regardless of their class or title. Anora, while arguably having more experience, was really just a female version of Loghain, and would have done what was in her best interest, rather than the people. Alistair grew up an outsider, a templar, and then a Grey Warden. Anora had grown into a life of wealth, power, and was married into royalty. How can she truly help the citizens of Ferelden when she has never actually experienced what they have?

 

With Alistair needing to be king and Loghain needing to pay for his crimes, the Dark Ritual was the only option. While we can debate what exactly Morrigan has in store for the OGB, we know that she has a heart and while she may seem cold and disinterested in others, that's not truly the case. Whatever motivations Morrigan may have for the child, losing the Warden was not something Ferelden or the Grey Wardens could afford. The threat of another blight and another archdemon is always very real. Why sacrifice yourself needlessly when you know it will inevitably happen again?

[Vox Draco]

Never ... not once...this whole self-sacrificing never appeals to me. If someone like Loghain is around, then he should die. I hate if this heroism is forced upon me (I look at you, ME3). And I very much prefer the mind-fock the dark ritual gives my Cousland female in love with Alistair...damn, what story-material that one gives!

 

Also ... that silly Riordan was supposed to die for the silly  grey wardens ... if he was too stupid to pull his stunt of successfully, why should my char die in his silly place if we got still substitutes

[Ookahi]

My first play through my Warden was going to sacrifice themselves, but I was romancing Alistair and made the mistake of bringing him along. Needless to say, I was shocked when he swooped in and sacrificed himself instead.  

 

Since then I typically do the dark ritual. 

[CrybabyXD]

My Male City Elf did. 

 

All my other wardens lived.

[boissiere]

I tried all the possibilities including to make the third warden have the old god baby... There was always something strange for me. I always believed that being a warden prevented you from having children according to Alistair. I think I mistook him.

[9TailsFox]

I romanced Morrigan so no, it wouldn't make any sense.

[Starscream723]

My primary "blind playthrough pick what you want" Warden died killing the Archdemon.

 

My "douchebag playthrough" Warden romanced Morrigan and did the ritual.

 

My final, generally goody-two-shoes Warden was female so forced Alistair to sleep with Morrigan, even though she was romancing Alistair herself. Nobody died, but they were all signed up for a reality TV show by an MTV executive.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Mine did.

 

Which makes all the Warden in DAI bitching even more insufferable.

[Hair Serious Business]

On my first play I did it.

Simple reason is this...I never trusted Morrigan much(no matter how much I liked her),second my elf was in romance with Alistair...so Morrigan and him having baby = me saying big NO!

Second...I did have a hope that I will survive even without Morrigan lol but found out how dead wrong I was xD

[Han Yolo]

As much as I love all my fluffy disney headcanons of kings and queens princess-consorts and old god daddies and happy ever afters, in my main playthrough the warden dies.

Also he romanced Morrigan and she has his human child. He just could not allow a tainted old god soul to live on even though he wanted nothing more than to be with his witch lass. But Cousland always does his duty first, so destroy was the only option. It's very tragic. I love tragedy. 

Actually I find it hard to choose a canon because there are so many possibilities that scream perfect story to me, but I think this one is the perfectest. Or maybe the one where Mahariel goes through the Eluvian. 

[Revan Reborn]

As much as I love all my fluffy disney headcanons of kings and queens princess-consorts and old god daddies and happy ever afters, in my main playthrough the warden dies.

Also he romanced Morrigan and she has his human child. He just could not allow a tainted old god soul to live on even though he wanted nothing more than to be with his witch lass. But Cousland always does his duty first, so destroy was the only option. It's very tragic. I love tragedy. 

Actually I find it hard to choose a canon because there are so many possibilities that scream perfect story to me, but I think this one is the perfectest. Or maybe the one where Mahariel goes through the Eluvian. 

I believe once the Warden provided the final blow, Urthemiel's soul is initially absorbed by the Warden, separating the taint from the Old God soul. That pure soul was then transferred to Morrigan's unborn child. What will be interesting is if the Darkspawn try to hunt down the OGB and corrupt him to become a new form of archdemon.

[Quietwulf]

First run through, fell on my sword.

 

Felt like the right way to end the story of the Warden I'd created.

 

He'd played selfless and noble the whole way through.  Seemed like he'd stay the course till the end.

[riverbanks]

All but three of my Wardens made the sacrifice. Of those three, two let Loghain die in their place, and one accidentally had Alistair throw himself at the archdemon to save her. The others all willingly sacrificed themselves.

 

The dark ritual is not an option for any of my playthroughs. My Wardens were not letting Morrigan walk away with the soul of an old god in exchange for their own selfishness, not matter how much she tried to spin it as a fair trade. They understood the price for ending the Blight without unleashing even worst evil onto the world, and were willing to pay it as much as Garahel and the other Wardens who ended the previous Blights before them. They rest in the Weisshaupt tombs of Blight heroes now, ultimately at peace with their decisions, knowing that whatever Morrigan and Flemeth intend to do with Thedas, at least they never had the Warden's hand in it.

[Sully13]

Schmooples he never turns up again.

[inko1nsiderate]

It's been so long since I first played the series, and some of my attitudes have definitely changed, but originally I did the Dark Ritual.  The world state where I will play DAI for the first time will be a Ultimate Sacrifice Warden.

[AtreiyaN7]

Not me! I was a selfish Warden and did the Dark Ritual to save Alistair's butt - and then my Warden married King Alistair, ruling over Ferelden with him. What happened after the Warden disappeared sometime during/after the events of DA2, who knows. If we find out the Warden's fate in DA:I, cool. If not, I'm okay with the subject not being touched upon (prefer to at least get some sort of nod just so that I know for sure, but eh).

[Revan Reborn]

All but three of my Wardens made the sacrifice. Of those three, two let Loghain die in their place, and one accidentally had Alistair throw himself at the archdemon to save her. The others all willingly sacrificed themselves.

 

The dark ritual is not an option for any of my playthroughs. My Wardens were not letting Morrigan walk away with the soul of an old god in exchange for their own selfishness, not matter how much she tried to spin it as a fair trade. They understood the price for ending the Blight without unleashing even worst evil onto the world, and were willing to pay it as much as Garahel and the other Wardens who ended the previous Blights before them. They rest in the Weisshaupt tombs of Blight heroes now, ultimately at peace with their decisions, knowing that whatever Morrigan and Flemeth intend to do with Thedas, at least they never had the Warden's hand in it.

Why would a child having the soul of an Old God be worse? The Old Gods themselves are not "evil" and certainly it was the taint corrupting them that turns them into Archdemons. Unless the Old God child were to be corrupted by the Darkspawn, it would be difficult to ascertain how exactly he/she would turn out.

 

I find it interesting how so many are quick to dismiss Morrigan's offer based on their own reservations or suspicions of her intent. Based on her actual character and her actions in Witch Hunt, Morrigan never gave any indication of a malicious intent with respect towards the child or anyone else. All we do know is that this was very precious and dear to Morrigan, and she entrusted the Warden to make it a reality.

 

I personally do not see Morrigan as a threat, or Flemeth for that matter. Had they truly wanted to "watch the world burn," they could have done so by Flemeth not saving the Warden and Alistair at Ostagar and Hawke outside Lothering. Why would the Witches of the Wild save those most equipped and destined to save all of Thedas? Can they really be construed to be actual villains?

 

I find the Dark Ritual, in any case, a very interesting and enticing offer. Not because it allows the Warden to be selfish and live, but rather allowing him the ability to continue his duty as a Grey Warden and to help the efforts in rebuilding Ferelden for future attacks. The OGB is an interesting curve ball that should provide a compelling story.

[animedreamer]

first time i beat the game with my female city elf rogue i made the ultimate sacrifice, Leliana was her lover. I didn't trust Morrigan, but I did kill Flemeth and gave Morrigan the book.

[inko1nsiderate]

I personally just never really saw the Ultimate Sacrifice as an option. Perhaps I'm too practical and was looking more so at the consequences and aftermath of a post-Blight Ferelden? With the Grey Wardens in shambles, half of Ferelden destroyed, it just did not make any sense at all to sacrifice my Warden when there were alternatives.

 

The Dark Ritual inevitably was the only option I could take as any other really did not make sense from my perspective. Loghain had committed treason against Ferelden, regicide against King Cailan, and was more than happy to see half of Ferelden burn if they did not bend to his will. He had to be put down like the mad dog he was, and my Warden was more than happy to enforce justice in the honor of Cailan, Duncan, and all of those who died for nothing. Letting Loghain become a Grey Warden would have been the ultimate insult to the organization and it would have even been a greater lie had he been celebrated as a hero for making the ultimate sacrifice. History had to remember him for the villain he truly was.

 

As far as Alistair was concerned, he also could not be sacrificed, or even remain a Grey Warden. My Warden made Alistair King of Ferelden because he understood what it meant to be an outsider and had compassion for his fellow men and women, regardless of their class or title. Anora, while arguably having more experience, was really just a female version of Loghain, and would have done what was in her best interest, rather than the people. Alistair grew up an outsider, a templar, and then a Grey Warden. Anora had grown into a life of wealth, power, and was married into royalty. How can she truly help the citizens of Ferelden when she has never actually experienced what they have?

 

With Alistair needing to be king and Loghain needing to pay for his crimes, the Dark Ritual was the only option. While we can debate what exactly Morrigan has in store for the OGB, we know that she has a heart and while she may seem cold and disinterested in others, that's not truly the case. Whatever motivations Morrigan may have for the child, losing the Warden was not something Ferelden or the Grey Wardens could afford. The threat of another blight and another archdemon is always very real. Why sacrifice yourself needlessly when you know it will inevitably happen again?

 

The problem is that the Dark Ritual's consequences are, ostensibly, entirely unknown.  You have no idea that you will actually survive the final battle (you could die before you even get to the archdemon afterall), you do not know for sure it will work, you do not know what Morrigan's ultimate plans are, you do not why Flemeth wanted you to do this in the first place (which Morrigan implies is the case), you do not know what the soul of an Old God is like (they might be evil and clever on their own), you have no way of guaranteeing the OGB doesn't pull a Morrigan and rebel against her (thus Morrigan having a heart is irrelevant), and you have no way of really understanding the possible ramifications of the decision.  If you distrust Morrigan, distrust humans, distrust the Chantry description of the origin of Blights, or distrust mages you have a good reason to distrust the whole endeavor from the get go.  Add in the huge amount of uncertainty it throws in, combine that with Allistair and Anora jointly ruling as king and queen you reduce the downsides you've pointed out.  At worst you have a rough, but seemingly positive, future of Fereldan vs an entirely unknown threat that you helped create.

The threat of another blight is minuscule, as there have never been two blights with less than 100 years between them.

I'm not saying the Dark Ritual makes zero sense, but it really depends on how you weigh uncertainty in your risk analysis.  The risk of OGB is unknown, while the risks of you dying are, in principle, known.  The problem with the OGB is that only if you use game logic does it become a no-brainer.  Obviously the hero of a game won't die before they get to the main antagonist, so the DR probably means you survive.  But if this were a real battle, there is a very good chance you end up like the far more experienced Riordin.

[Gothfather]

I never did the dark ritual, I have done the Ultimate Sacrifice.

 

I will be using the playthrough i enjoyed most as my cannon.

[Itkovian]

My Warden always did the Ultimate Sacrifice. It's the best, most heroic option, and actually destroys the Archdemon (instead of perhaps just delaying the problem).

 

I tried the other endings, of course, but none were as dramatic and poignant as the Ultimate Sacrifice.

 

One thing I like about the Keep is it lets us avoid the whole weirdness with Awakenings (you couldn't import a Ultimate Sacrifice save without your warden being somehow resurrected). So now I actually get to enjoy a world state with the Ultimate Sacrifice AND the Orlaisian Warden's actions in Awakenings.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Imagine the rage of all the people who got their Warden killed if the Dark Ritual doesn't have a negative consequence or even winds up being beneficial?