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[zqrahll]

I did it once for the achievement only (same for the Alistair & Loghain sacrifices), then reloaded an earlier save.  I always do the dark ritual otherwise.

[Aren]

 There is a guy you know who need his redemption.I hope that flemeth will steal this child to laugh on all of you

Who is happened in DAI i was right.

[Nerevar-as]

Why all of you go through the dark ritual, why? There is a guy you know who need his redemption.I hope that flemeth will steal this child to laugh on all of you, a real hero is a dead one,

Because I think it's worth a try to save the Old God's soul, we can always kill it later if he is trouble. Because losing somebody's soul is too high a price if there is an alternative. And because if the Blights are Maker's made, it is a way to give It the middle finger.

Dead heroes are way overrated anyway.

[ShadyKat]

My dwarf commoner did. Just fit with the character the way I played her.

[Chari]

Out of my five Wardens only one died. Everyone else is pretty happy, alive and kicking butt in their epic manner

[Sylentmana]

In my first playthrough, Alistair sacrificed himself to save me. It was pretty romantic, I won't lie.  I have many playthoughs with different characters where some lived and others died.

[Aren]

Because I think it's worth a try to save the Old God's soul, we can always kill it later if he is trouble. Because losing somebody's soul is too high a price if there is an alternative. And because if the Blights are Maker's made, it is a way to give It the middle finger.

Dead heroes are way overrated anyway.

Morrigan is a liar if she had told the truth from the beginning we could have used Avernus as a Sacrifice.

[frankf43]

All my Wardens are alive and kicking. 

[mopotter]

Not that this is entirely relevant, but you could have avoided the "US" in ME3 had you chosen DESTROY and had 100% battle readiness as well as recruiting all the various fleets in the game.

 

Yeah, I could just never choose Loghain over Alistair. One was a kingslayer who committed treason and almost destroyed an entire nation instead of uniting it for the blight. The other was a annoying fool on the outside, but a kind-hearted and natural born leader on the inside.

 I agree with him, my disappointment with their "survival" ending will never end, and I had to thank a wonderful mod person for more options along the lines I expected.

 

I did the US more than a few times with my warden, Alistair and Loghain.   What I enjoyed about DAO was the options. My warden could die or live with or without a love interest involved, all depending on what story I was making up about my warden.

 

One of my mages put Alistair on the throne and did the US because 1) Alistair didn't trust Morrigan 2) Loghain was already dead and she wasn't going to be the kings mistress.  Others did it for different reasons.

 

I did the DR once as a male warden after romancing Morrigan and had Alistair do it a few times for true love,  .  My biggest complaint with the DR is having to watch Alistair crawl up Morrigan's bed.  

 

Now my cannon game is elf mage who romances Zev, gives Alistair confidance and has him marry Anora.  Loghain usually kills the archdemon and dies, my warden and Zev go off an do warden stuff.  But in a couple of games Morrigan was my best friend and I talked Loghain into doing the DR, because that's what best friends sometimes do, support bad ideas.

[Gilsa]

Morrigan is a liar if she had told the truth from the beginning we could have used Avernus as a Sacrifice.

 

She might have disqualified him for the same reason as Riordian -- they've had the taint too long.

[Revan Reborn]

Why all of you go through the dark ritual, why? There is a guy you know who need his redemption.I hope that flemeth will steal this child to laugh on all of you, a real hero is a dead one,

Perhaps Loghain wasn't fit for redemption? He had already committed so many evils. Allowing Loghain to join the Grey Wardens entirely undermines what the organization as a whole stands for.

 

Also, I wouldn't call a hero that is dead "real." Certainly such a hero could be construed as being stupid though. What makes a hero is the tasks they perform throughout their life without recognition. Being thrown into an early grave accomplishes nothing, especially when there is so much work to be done.

 

 I agree with him, my disappointment with their "survival" ending will never end, and I had to thank a wonderful mod person for more options along the lines I expected.

Eh. BioWare can't please everyone. ME3's ending worked for me. Then again, it was giving me a Kubrick/Nolan vibe which may not be everybody's cup of tea.

[DarthSideus2]

My 1st play, I sacrificed my Warden, but every other play (about 10) I romanced Leliana   did Dark Ritual.

[Aren]

She might have disqualified him for the same reason as Riordian -- they've had the taint too long.

no Avernus is not suitable for the ritual because helpless, I wanted to use him as a final sacrifice to destroy the archedemon, he live well for 400 years  so he can die in peace.

[PhroXenGold]

Perhaps Loghain wasn't fit for redemption? He had already committed so many evils. Allowing Loghain to join the Grey Wardens entirely undermines what the organization as a whole stands for.

 

The Wardens stand for one thing and one thing alone: stopping the Blights. Throwing away a potentially useful resource that would significantly aid in achieving that aim purely because said resource did wrong in the past would be the action undermining what they stand for.

[Lord_Caledore]

The Wardens stand for one thing and one thing alone: stopping the Blights. Throwing away a potentially useful resource that would significantly aid in achieving that aim purely because said resource did wrong in the past would be the action undermining what they stand for.

 

Indeed, and this is directly supported by the lore. The Grey Wardens don't care about the recruit's past. Criminals, even murderers are inducted into their ranks, if they are skilled enough to be an asset to stopping the Blights.

 

The Grey Wardens as a whole seem to be pragmatic and not idealistic. That's not to say that individual Wardens don't have different ideals, but the organization would see the waste of a valuable resource as a greater evil then inducting someone with a morally questionable past.

[N7KnightSabre]

First time I played Origins.  I romanced Alistair and when Morrigan came to the warden's room with a proposition to, not only sleep with the guy my character was in a relationship with, but also to create a "child with the soul of an old god"  I never felt so betrayed and pissed.  I told Morrigan that that was definitely not going to happen. Then I made the mistake of bringing Alistair with me to fight the Arhedemon.  I wanted my character to have the final blow, but he wasn't going to let that happen and killed it himself.  Fereldan was left without a king and Inora's butt took the throne .

 

When I played Witch Hunt and Morrigan talked about the OGB and how it was important to preventing something big that was on the horizon, I started to feel that maybe I should go through the ritual.  

 

I did the next time I played.  I will say that Alistair's reaction to having to sleep with Morrigan was one of the funniest scenes I have ever seen.  He totally didn't want to do it  .  And my Cousland became his queen and the story was overall better to me.  What with all the plot points that came from it that I'd be taking into future games.

[Ananka]

I've done it in a few playthroughs, but I usually go with the dark ritual. I'm definitely not sure that it's a good idea to give Morrigan an old god baby, though. If it turns out to be a bad decision, most of my Wardens will start sacrificing themselves instead.

[Aren]

Perhaps Loghain wasn't fit for redemption? He had already committed so many evils. Allowing Loghain to join the Grey Wardens entirely undermines what the organization as a whole stands for.

 

Also, I wouldn't call a hero that is dead "real." Certainly such a hero could be construed as being stupid though. What makes a hero is the tasks they perform throughout their life without recognition. Being thrown into an early grave accomplishes nothing, especially when there is so much work to be done.

 

Eh. BioWare can't please everyone. ME3's ending worked for me. Then again, it was giving me a Kubrick/Nolan vibe which may not be everybody's cup of t

yes yes........ we have among the   other options(Alistair.loghain)  the orlesian warden.

But it doesn't matter Morrigan is not just a liar she also see other peoples like miserable insects such the elves in the alienage as a gift to the magisters (for that and only for that i cannot forgive Loghain), the dwarfs as sacrifice to build golems,the dalish people as a resource to steal their secrets and books, the wardens as instrument to gain her goal, the mages and children of the circle of magi as "slaughter cattle", the people of lothering as miserables to leave to their fate,the girl of jonelath as a demon's container.

She has a kind heart deeply really? Only because she saw potential in Sten and Jowan and the warden? thats not enough, only a mad would give to her such power with her behavior, not to mention that now she teaches only the maker knows   what kind of forbidden dark-blood magic to the emperess  Celene.

To see grey in a contest like this  we should be blind,  because now if anyone tell that   there is grey in all of this sort of thing, even to sacrifice a child to be possessed from some kind of demonic  dragon , well  i think that we have a problem to recognize

the value of life.

[Arkwright99]

My very first Warden, female Cousland rogue, made the Ultimate Sacrifice but that was the only time. My second Warden, male Amell mage, did the Dark Ritual with Morrigan to save his own skin while the third (male Cousland warrior) and fourth (another female Cousland rogue) both refused and sacrificed Loghain and Alistair respectively. My current Warden, a male Dwarf Commoner warrior, is planning on conceiving an OGB with Morrigan so I don't think he'll be making the US either.

[Doominike]

Why all of you go through the dark ritual, why? There is a guy you know who need his redemption.I hope that flemeth will steal this child to laugh on all of you, a real hero is a dead one,

Because I want to live no matter what. And I don't care what anyone does with the damn kid. I killed him as a dark dragon god, I can kill again as a man

[EdwinLi]

nope my Warden went with Morrigan to raise their child and other "things"

[BubbleDncr]

All my Wardens are alive except for my dwarf noble. He romanced Morrigan, but was too noble to do the dark ritual. So she dumped him and he died alone. It was very sad.

[NedWork80]

My "Canon" Warden did the Dark Ritual.

A Grey Warden is bound by oath to stopp a Blight, with all means at his/hers disposal.

While he never did "bad" and "unhuman" desicision in whole DA:O he saw a potential ressource in the old God.

While Dark Spawn Taint twits an Old God in an Archdemon, we can not predidct what "human flesh" might do.

 

My Warden pursued Morrigan, found her and followed her to make sure the Baby grows to be a Saviour to Thedas.

 

This is not at all "a coward Ending" in my opinion, it representet what Grey Wardens must do: Find a way to stopp Darkspawn and Blights forever.

 

I really hope we will learn what happend after "Witch Hunt", I am looking forward to it.

[Ap0crypha]

I did the US once for the achievement, but I'm not carrying that save over through the Keep. I just don't like the thought that the Warden gets their soul destroyed, denied even the afterlife despite...well, the Ultimate Sacrifice. I like happy endings and people getting rewarded--a Warden who dies to the archdemon gets neither.

 

My canon Warden was in love with Morrigan and a Dalish who saw the value in preserving old, lost things from history. He went through with it no questions asked, then left to help raise the kid. My other Wardens usually do it to support their friend or to save themselves/their lover. I think the only "imported" Warden who didn't was this big Chantry-extremist against any type of forbidden magic who had Loghain to throw at the archdemon.

[AlanC9]

But it doesn't matter Morrigan is not just a liar she also see other peoples like miserable insects such the elves in the alienage as a gift to the magisters (for that and only for that i cannot forgive Loghain), the dwarfs as sacrifice to build golems,the dalish people as a resource to steal their secrets and books, the wardens as instrument to gain her goal, the mages and children of the circle of magi as "slaughter cattle", the people of lothering as miserables to leave to their fate,the girl of jonelath as a demon's container.

I don't see how Morrigan was a liar. She's pretty honest about being evil, as far as I can see. She'd be better off if she did lie more