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Dr. Ivan Van Sertima.

 

I just want to point out that most Universities today stress that the term "negroid" is no longer acceptable, especially in light of academic debate regarding whether race really exists, because a lot of biologists argue it doesn't and that more than anything it's a social construct to separate and define power dynamics. A lot of things can change in a few years and they vary greatly by academic field.


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So, using a word that is considered offensive and hurtful to a lot of modern readers is a-okay because it was in use and considered okay in the 1800s?  Sure, sounds legit.  :rolleyes:


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So, using a word that is considered offensive and hurtful to a lot of modern readers is a-okay because it was in use and considered okay in the 1800s?  Sure, sounds legit.  :rolleyes:

 

My mom is black, my uncle is black, my aunts are black, my grandfather was black, and his father was black. And his ancestors were probably black through Amerindian and African descent.

 

Secondly, as I pointed out not too long ago I own anthropological works by Dr. Van Sertima (a black anthropologist) dating as late as 2004 that use the word. 

 

But keep on making politically correct assumptions based on a lack of knowledge.


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Why aren't they more prevalent considering that historically, negroids reproduce more rapidly than Caucasoids and negroid features are dominant compared to recessive Caucasoid features when interracial mingling occurs?  

 

Blank+_b13230538fd1e94812e0fc403ab8fd51.

 

I'm going with both.

 

Edit: Lemme throw "racist" in there as well.


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Whelp, this turned out about how I expected it.
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I just want to point out that most Universities today stress that the term "negroid" is no longer acceptable, especially in light of academic debate regarding whether race really exists, because a lot of biologists argue it doesn't and that more than anything it's a social construct to separate and define power dynamics. A lot of things can change in a few years and they vary greatly by academic field.

 

I understand where you're coming from but anthropology and biology are two different scientific fields.



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Whelp, this turned out about how I expected it.

 

Yup. And now my popcorn is all out. Mods, don't lock this thread while I'm off to microwave some more. I'll only be about 5 minutes.



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I understand where you're coming from by anthropology and biology are two different scientific fields.

Yes. That's why I said is varies by field. But academia constantly changes and with biologists and social psychologists arguing that the term is no longer acceptable, this view point is sure to reach and spread into other fields. This debate is relatively new, but there's a trend appearing.



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My mom is black, my uncle is black, my aunts are black, my grandfather was black, and his father was black. And his ancestors were probably black through Amerindian and African descent.

 

Secondly, as I pointed out not too long ago I own anthropological works by Dr. Van Sertima (a black anthropologist) dating as late as 2004 that use the word. 

 

But keep on making politically correct assumptions based on a lack of knowledge.

I love it when white people are more offended on the behalf of black people than black people.



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I love it when white people are more offended on the behalf of black people than black people.

 

I would like, but I've reached my quota.



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Historically-accurate-Jesus, please help my fellow white forumites understand how messed up the OP is.

 

I guess this isn't getting locked, so let's have an argument on the Internet!

 

 

It doesn't make sense in this medieval European setting to darken the pigment up of one nation. Where do these sub-Saharan esque people come from? Why aren't they more prevalent considering that historically, n___ reproduce more rapidly than Caucasoids and n___ features are dominant compared to recessive Caucasoid features when interracial mingling occurs?  

 

What are the Rivaini people? They cant be white, gypsy and black. If there are both white, gypsy and black people in Rivain, are there any racial tensions?

 

Melanin in real-life humans has a complex proteome expression. It's not a switch, it's not a "4-square Punnett", and it's not a question of features from one genetically specific subgroup of humans being "dominant" or not. This belief is racist and white supremacist (fear of black people and "miscegenation").

 

Replying to you and this is fruitless, I know this, but your feelings about a video game do actually reflect real life issues and are a very, very small part of how they are maintained in reality.



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I love it when white people are more offended on the behalf of black people than black people.


Not trying to wade into a minefield but the opinion of randoms on the internet doesn't mean anything.
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...darker, and darker?
 
Duncan was light skinned in DA:O
In DAII they darkened Isabella, she looks like a Roma gypsy.
IN this new DA game, apparently Vivienne is a Rivaini and she is BLACK.
 
It doesn't make sense in this medieval European setting to darken the pigment up of one nation. Where do these sub-Saharan esque people come from? Why aren't they more prevalent considering that historically, negroids reproduce more rapidly than Caucasoids and negroid features are dominant compared to recessive Caucasoid features when interracial mingling occurs?  
 
What are the Rivaini people? They cant be white, gypsy and black. If there are both white, gypsy and black people in Rivain, are there any racial tensions?












One of the devs (I believe Laidlaw) said that they range from tan to ebony. So their skin tone is a pretty wide range, we are simply seeing more of those ranges.

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Wow, okay.  So I guess calling a black person a negroid is just fine then?    

 

Funny, I was raised to be told that you don't call a person that, but I guess I was raised too "politically correct."   :rolleyes:



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White people how do you know everyone is white who is offended. even so you don't know my heritage. I am white yes as far as skin complexion goes but that is only my ethnicity not my race and not my people. Same can be said for everyone being white is a skin tone not a people. If anything within my heritage its crazy is all I will say. Also I know what it's like to be given a label and many other things so yes things like this offends me.



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Wow, okay.  So I guess calling a black person a negroid is just fine then?    

 

Funny, I was raised to be told that you don't call a person that, but I guess I was raised too "politically correct."   :rolleyes:

 

Not when it's used in a scientific context. For the time being negroid is an anthropological term and implying that I or anyone in my family should be offended by it's use is an insult to our intelligence. 


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I love it when white people are more offended on the behalf of black people than black people.


>>Assuming we're white.
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The thing that I find odd with Thedas, as opposed to say, Tamriel is the complexion of the people is all over the place, as if there is no spectrum.

 

In Tamriel when it comes to the human races you have Bretons, Imperials, Nords and Redguards. Bretons are in general skinny and light colored because of the interbreeding between men and mer. Imperials are in general the middle grounds in terms of body size and skin color. Nords are in general tall, buff and fair skinned people. The Redguards are tall, athletic, and dark skinned people.

 

Whether we like it or not, when it comes to distinguishing races and people, we still tend to use skin complexion as a form of differentiation technique.

 

So you can see there is an even spectrum of sorts that mirrors the real world with a touch of fantasy because real world does not have elves and Africans & Moors are not a separate race.

 

But when it comes to Thedas, it is all over the place. There is little to no consistency. This lack of consistency makes sense if there is a high level of communication and intermingling between all peoples like we have in, say, Mass Effect but this is Thedas. Thedas is a medieval fantasy where advanced communication and  intermingling is not high, meaning there has to be some consistency when it comes to skin colors. 

 

So the question OP poses which amounts to defining what the people of a particular region are, in this case, Rivaini people, are valid.


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Well they way evolution is works is that traits that work against reproduction success are bred out. Since Dwarven Cities are actually very well lit I don't think eyes harm a dwarf's chances of making it in any way. Unless their ancestors were always underground and had no reasons to have eyes in the first place. But did Dwarves evolve from people? Did they come from a common ancestor? Does evolution even exist in Dragon Age? After all, god seems to be real in it

 

Well, while divine forces exist this doesn't mean they created the races of Thedas or that evolution doesn't happen at all. It may be possible it's both, really.



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Not when it's used in a scientific context. For the time being negroid is an anthropological term and implying that I or anyone in my family should be offended by it's use is an insult to our intelligence.

And just as well, it needs to be buried. For a time, ****** was a commonplace term used to refer to black folk. Strange that negroid wasn't similarly shunned as well.

Edit: funnily enough, spell check just demonstrated my point.

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Not when it's used in a scientific context. For the time being negroid is an anthropological term and implying that I or anyone in my family should be offended by it's use is an insult to our intelligence. 

I'm just going to say this before I check out.

 

I'm Hispanic, which I'm reluctant to say, because I don't know how relevant my opinion is--probably none at all which is why I generally avoid these topics--on the matter. But these terms are things I am uncomfortable with because, well, that's what I've been taught. However, I am by no means telling you how you personally, or your family should feel or if you should be insulted. What I was trying to say is that there's a changing trend in recent years. And, I honestly don't know if the terms "Negroid," "Caucasoid," and "Mongoloid" are still being taught as proper for students currently studying Anthropology as that is not my field of study.

 

So I guess, more accurately, I should say it's not so much is a racial slur as much as it very well may be becoming one.



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Negroid makes me think of hemorrhoid.



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Ishten, I hear what you're saying but this is what is said in the OP:
 
"It doesn't make sense in this medieval European setting to darken the pigment up of one nation. Where do these sub-Saharan esque people come from? Why aren't they more prevalent considering that historically, negroids reproduce more rapidly than Caucasoids and negroid features are dominant compared to recessive Caucasoid features when interracial mingling occurs?  
 
What are the Rivaini people? They cant be white, gypsy and black. If there are both white, gypsy and black people in Rivain, are there any racial tensions?"
 
Like, okay, you want to make a point about wanting to understand more about Rivain! So cool! We all want to see it all, play it fully, experience the culture for sure.
 
But now Dragon Age is medieval? Ah yes, I recall my ancestors had to fight the white horned giants from the northern isles! Then they visited a spirit world which was physically accessible by thinking really hard or by having enough poison, magical rocks! Or they popped down to the subterranean kingdom that spanned continents so that they could take tea with a giant boob monster!
 
I would also love to hear more about if the DA creative team has thought about how they choose to represent racism and race in the DA world. But, the lack of people of darker skin tone to this point could very well be due to ignorance from a largely white creative team as much as the engines. Not a hateful thing but that's often how racism works, white is the default and if you are white, you don't realize that.
 
So asking if Rivaini people are being represented as darker as the series progresses isn't necessarily offensive but the context of that question is absolutely offensive in this case.


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Jesus Christ. 

 

When did calling someone black become offensive?

 

-Signed a black dude