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[Ryzaki]

Just as feedback I personally am kind of tired of the Knights in Shining Armor and would be morally dubious but they had a bad past and want to become a better person woobies.

 

I just would prefer a much more morally twisted love interest for once. (Preferably a straight male since we get close to it on female love interests (Morrigan but even she has woobie syndrome). Hopefully that doesn't fall into the stupid evil pitfall or the love redeems trope (maybe they could encourage the PC to be darker and make more ruthless decisions for a fall to darkness). I'd just like someone a bit on the darker side that my darker characters could romance. Who isn't that way because of a terrible childhood for once (would be nice if they had a nice childhood and was just an jerk because some people are just jerky).

 

And no this isn't a demand. Just a request for an LI type I'd like to see in the future.

 

(If anyone else has any suggestions for future LIs for more morally dubious PCs feel free to throw em in here)

 

Edit: No stupid evil implies someone who's competent!

[Fizzie Panda]

Yeah... *sigh* maybe when we go to Tevinter

 

Then we get companions who are full-on corrupt

[sandalisthemaker]

So you want a legit villain as a LI?

 

I think it would be interesting if said villainous LI was a NPC who was part of an enemy faction. Perhaps he (since you would like it to be a male) is  much more affable than his fellow baddies and shows an interest in the PC during a battle.  They then develop a secret romance unbeknownst to the PCs companions. They have private LI scenes and conversations, but at the same time they still fight against the PC in public since they are on opposite sides. Something like that?

 

A villain companion might be more difficult to pull off without risking them becoming an anti-hero. Still interesting, though. 

[lallyzippo]

But...Anders, Isabela and Fenris all kind of fit that description, depending on the route you take with them? Especially Anders, oh my god.

[sandalisthemaker]

But...Anders, Isabela and Fenris all kind of fit that description, depending on the route you take with them? Especially Anders, oh my god.

 

Yeah, I was gonna mention that lots of people consider Anders a villain.  

[In Exile]

So you want a legit villain as a LI?

I think it would be interesting if said villainous LI was a NPC who was part of an enemy faction. Perhaps he (since you would like it to be a male) is much more affable than his fellow baddies and shows an interest in the PC during a battle. They then develop a secret romance unbeknownst to the PCs companions. They have private LI scenes and conversations, but at the same time they still fight against the PC in public since they are on opposite sides. Something like that?

A villain companion might be more difficult to pull off without risking them becoming an anti-hero. Still interesting, though.

A villain LI would be awesome. Just need a plot where your antagonist isn't insane. Something more akin to an ideological difference.

Could really have some fun with it. It would also explain why the villain keeps letting you live.

Plus we could gave great exchanges like these:

Villain: Join me, and we could rule this world!
PC: I'm not... Ah ... Not really ready for that sort of commitment?

[Ryzaki]

So you want a legit villain as a LI?

 

I think it would be interesting if said villainous LI was a NPC who was part of an enemy faction. Perhaps he (since you would like it to be a male) is  much more affable than his fellow baddies and shows an interest in the PC during a battle.  They then develop a secret romance unbeknownst to the PCs companions. They have private LI scenes and conversations, but at the same time they still fight against the PC in public since they are on opposite sides. Something like that?

 

A villain companion might be more difficult to pull off without risking them becoming an anti-hero. Still interesting, though. 

 

Kind of. They don't necessarily have to be against the PCs goals in most scenarios however (since I know that'd probably be more difficult to implement). I don't mind whether they're a companion or not whichever is easier to implement is fine with me *shrug*

 

Yeah my thoughts for a antagonist LI mainly had them as a villian similar to Loghain (not in personality so much but more of a human threat and preferably sane). Maybe they can be a NPC you meet and certain dungeons/scenes go differently depending on whether you've befriended/romanced them or if you ignored/antagonized them in disguise.

 

Could be a bit of a run spin off the typical tropes like villian leaving you in a lousy dungeon (perhaps that only happens if they're friends/lovers with the PC) otherwise you get someone who's clearly a dangerous and fearsome opponent and your PC barely escapes alive. Little twists like that could add flavor to the romance.

 

But mostly I just want an LI that's not gonna give me a frowny face for choosing the renedouche/assquisitor/kick the puppies and laugh choices. While being intelligent and without a crappy past excuse.

 

But...Anders, Isabela and Fenris all kind of fit that description, depending on the route you take with them? Especially Anders, oh my god.

 

They're all woobies (especially Fenris). All of them have sad pasts that serve as a sort of reasoning for their behavior. Anders saw the abuses of the templars and wanted to free his fellow mages, Isabela got sold by her own mother so she tries to shrug off attachment, even the slaves was a mistake she didn't want to repeat. And they're not that villainous. Isabela tries not to care about other people but she does she's good at hiding it most of the time, Anders got into most of his situations because he cares about people other than himself even if DA2's ending had him stuck stupid (Note his horror at the slaughter when you reach the docks. Awakening Anders might've fit but that's not who we got in DA2), and Fenris is just a jerk towards mages and those who support them because of his experiences in Tevinter.

 

That and Fenris and Isabela both suffer the want to become a better person syndrome. (On that matter I really want that LI not to be someone the PC wants or can "fix")

[Natashina]

Villain: Join me, and we could rule this world!
PC: I'm not... Ah ... Not really ready for that sort of commitment?:S

Bwhahaha!  Nice.  

[Ryzaki]

A villain LI would be awesome. Just need a plot where your antagonist isn't insane. Something more akin to an ideological difference.

Could really have some fun with it. It would also explain why the villain keeps letting you live.

Plus we could gave great exchanges like these:

Villain: Join me, and we could rule this world!
PC: I'm not... Ah ... Not really ready for that sort of commitment?:S

 

Yeah I remember the discussions we had about this in the old romance thread XD

 

Honestly I'm just tired of good guys. I'd take Bishop's jerkwad self at this point over another noble upstanding let's always do the right thing type.

[Natashina]

Yeah I remember the discussions we had about this in the old romance thread XD

 

Honestly I'm just tired of good guys. I'd take Bishop's jerkwad self at this point over another noble upstanding let's always do the right thing type.

I miss the old romance threads sometimes.  They've been getting deleted, as my bookmarks folder can attest.  

[lallyzippo]

Kind of. They don't necessarily have to be against the PCs goals in most scenarios however (since I know that'd probably be more difficult to implement). I don't mind whether they're a companion or not whichever is easier to implement is fine with me *shrug*

 

Yeah my thoughts for a antagonist LI mainly had them as a villian similar to Loghain (not in personality so much but more of a human threat and preferably sane). Maybe they can be a NPC you meet and certain dungeons/scenes go differently depending on whether you've befriended/romanced them or if you ignored/antagonized them in disguise.

 

Could be a bit of a run spin off the typical tropes like villian leaving you in a lousy dungeon (perhaps that only happens if they're friends/lovers with the PC) otherwise you get someone who's clearly a dangerous and fearsome opponent and your PC barely escapes alive. Little twists like that could add flavor to the romance.

 

But mostly I just want an LI that's not gonna give me a frowny face for choosing the renedouche/assquisitor/kick the puppies and laugh choices. While being intelligent and without a crappy past excuse.

 

 

They're all woobies (especially Fenris). All of them have sad pasts that serve as a sort of reasoning for their behavior. Anders saw the abuses of the templars and wanted to free his fellow mages, Isabela got sold by her own mother so she tries to shrug off attachment, even the slaves was a mistake she didn't want to repeat. And they're not that villainous. Isabela tries not to care about other people but she does she's good at hiding it most of the time, Anders got into most of his situations because he cares about people other than himself even if DA2's ending had him stuck stupid (Note his horror at the slaughter when you reach the docks. Awakening Anders might've fit but that's not who we got in DA2), and Fenris is just a jerk towards mages and those who support them because of his experiences in Tevinter.

 

That and Fenris and Isabela both suffer the want to become a better person syndrome. (On that matter I really want that LI not to be someone the PC wants or can "fix")

 

Yeah, but Loghain had a pretty horrific past too...And although Loghain ended up doing some pretty horrific stuff himself, he genuinely thought that he was doing the right thing for Fereldan. Also, if you kick a mabari around him, I'm pretty sure he'd gut you. 

 

What you're describing is a sociopath at best...The thing is, our frustrating mistakes and sad backstories make us who we are...they shape us. Along with the positive stuff. Someone who wasn't affected by their past isn't...realistic.

[Ryzaki]

I miss the old romance threads sometimes.  They've been getting deleted, as my bookmarks folder can attest.  

 

 

They were good for discussion if nothing else.

 

Yeah, but Loghain had a pretty horrific past too...And although Loghain ended up doing some pretty horrific stuff himself, he genuinely thought that he was doing the right thing for Fereldan. Also, if you kick a mabari around him, I'm pretty sure he'd gut you. 

 

What you're describing is a sociopath at best...The thing is, our frustrating mistakes and sad backstories make us who we are...they shape us. Along with the positive stuff. Someone who wasn't affected by their past isn't...realistic.

 

I meant as in a rival like antagonist. Not Loghain's background. (ugh now I'm reminded of that Loghain romance mod *shudders*)

 

And you think some of our companions don't have personality disorders? Also having someone grow to be a douchecanoe from a happy childhood is hardly not being affected by their past. Not sure where you got that from my post?

[In Exile]

Bwhahaha! Nice.

PC: Stop now, villain, or feel the wrath of my blade!
Villain: OMG! Are you flirting? It's so cute when you try to flirt.
PC: No, I ... the village ...
Villain: Look! I wore this ridiculous and completely unpratical outfit for you! *twirls*
PC: But... I mean ... I'm not ... not here for that! Surrender and I won't hurt you!
Villain: Oh! You're into *that* sort of thing. I *knew* there'd be something good if I just took the time to to *unwrap you*. Did you bring handcuffs? And a collar!? *squee*
PC: Well I ...

*time passes*

Companion #1: General! We've just caught up. Did you catch ...
PC: ... Got away. *takes a drag off a cigarette*
Companion #2: Gods! Those sratches and cuts! We had no idea there'd be that many minions!
PC:.... Let's just go back to camp.

[Natashina]

Okay, I have to do this:

 

[KainD]

I want a sociopath LI. 

[Ryzaki]

PC: Stop now, villain, or feel the wrath of my blade!
Villain: OMG! Are you flirting? It's so cute when you try to flirt.
PC: No, I ... the village ...
Villain: Look! I wore this ridiculous and completely unpratical outfit for you! *twirls*
PC: But... I mean ... I'm not ... not here for that! Surrender and I won't hurt you!
Villain: Oh! You're into *that* sort of thing. I *knew* there'd be something good if I just took the time to to *unwrap you*. Did you bring handcuffs? And a collar!? *squee*
PC: Well I ...

*time passes*

Companion #1: General! We've just caught up. Did you catch ...
PC: ... Got away. *takes a drag off a cigarette*
Companion #2: Gods! Those sratches and cuts! We had no idea there'd be that many minions!
PC:.... Let's just go back to camp.

 

I was hoping for more of an Aizen antagonist and less of a Kefka.

[Natashina]

I was hoping for more of an Aizen antagonist and less of a Kefka.

To be fair, Kefka strikes me as too crazy for a sex drive, so you should be safe there.  

[lallyzippo]

 

They were good for discussion if nothing else.

 

 

I meant as in a rival like antagonist. Not Loghain's background. (ugh now I'm reminded of that Loghain romance mod *shudders*)

 

And you think some of our companions don't have personality disorders? Also having someone grow to be a douchecanoe from a happy childhood is hardly not being affected by their past. Not sure where you got that from my post?

 

Sociopathy and Antisocial personality disorder aren't exactly just disorders [despite the name], but that's another debate all together. 

 

But you said: "All of them have sad pasts that serve as a sort of reasoning for their behavior." I guess that's where I got it.

 

But being super raging douche after a charmed childhood is usually a sign of priviledge and ignorance...Sebastian and Dorian might be good examples but when we meet them they've apparently learned some life lessons already [assuming for Dorian]

[Ryzaki]

To be fair, Kefka strikes me as too crazy for a sex drive, so you should be safe there.  

 

The fanfics I've read.

 

Sociopathy and Antisocial personality disorder aren't exactly just disorders [despite the name], but that's another debate all together. 

 

But you said: "All of them have sad pasts that serve as a sort of reasoning for their behavior." I guess that's where I got it.

 

But being super raging douche after a charmed childhood is usually a sign of priviledge and ignorance...Sebastian and Dorian might be good examples but when we meet them they've apparently learned some life lessons already [assuming for Dorian]

 

Fair enough.

 

Yeah that's mostly my bad way of highlighting the woobie factor. I'm well aware people have reasons for why they developed the way they do. I defintely could've worded that better though.

 

Usually true (and honestly if said LI is confident in themselves and the LI isn't playing therpaist with them I'll take that gladly) I'm that tired of woobies and KISA that something different would be interesting if nothing else. And Seb's a knight in shining armor. Dorian's being called the redeemer so I doubt he fits the darker LI profile.

 

Having a character in violent opposition to you also function as an LI would be a pretty tricky nug to wrangle without it being all kinds of ew, so I would imagine.

 

Yeah the companion version of this would probably need a less delicate touch.

[Lennard Testarossa]

This would be awesome, especially if it's a straight male LI. Leaving out ME, I've never found a suitable guy for my female Inquisitors to romance. Most of the male LIs are goody-two-shoes or wimpy or good-hearted rogues or shades-of-Twilight.

 

Why does it always have to be Anomen? Why can't it be Edwin?

 

Edit: To be fair, it's possible that Iron Bull is somewhat of a step in the right direction. I don't know enough about the character to tell.

[Battlebloodmage]

I hope that he's straight since Bioware loves to give dark tragic male characters bi/gay while straight characters more varied, leaning more toward good.

[Ryzaki]

This would be awesome, especially if it's a straight male LI. Leaving out ME, I've never found a suitable guy for my female Inquisitors to romance. Most of the male LIs are goody-two-shoes or wimpy or good-hearted rogues or shades-of-Twilight.

 

Why does it always have to be Anomen? Why can't it be Edwin?

 

Edit: To be fair, it's possible that Iron Bull is somewhat of a step in the right direction. I don't know enough about the character to tell.

 

Agreed. I just want something different for a change.

 

Or Carth instead of Canderous

 

Yeah I'm hoping IB is a more cunning dark LI but my hopes aren't high. I'm thinking he'll probably be woobish and wants to become a better person when we get down to it. I'd love to be wrong though.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Just as feedback I personally am kind of tired of the Knights in Shining Armor and would be morally dubious but they had a bad past and want to become a better person woobies.

 

I just would prefer a much more morally twisted love interest for once. (Preferably a straight male since we get close to it on female love interests (Morrigan but even she has woobie syndrome). Hopefully that doesn't fall into the stupid evil pitfall or the love redeems trope (maybe they could encourage the PC to be darker and make more ruthless decisions for a fall to darkness). I'd just like someone a bit on the darker side that my darker characters could romance. Who isn't that way because of a terrible childhood for once (would be nice if they had a nice childhood and was just an jerk because some people are just jerky).

 

And no this isn't a demand. Just a request for an LI type I'd like to see in the future.

 

(If anyone else has any suggestions for future LIs for more morally dubious PCs feel free to throw em in here)

Well, Leiliana is kinda like this, however she tries to deny it, and as Battlebloodmage alludes to Fenris, Anders, and Zevran all qualify. (Though I think Alistair has a dark side in evidence with Loghain that qualifies him to have just a tinge of what you describe.)

[In Exile]

Agreed. I just want something different for a change.

 

Or Carth instead of Canderous

 

Yeah I'm hoping IB is a more cunning dark LI but my hopes aren't high. I'm thinking he'll probably be woobish and wants to become a better person when we get down to it. I'd love to be wrong though.

It's obvs 'cause Carth is better looking.