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[Ryzaki]

Ah, yes. I remember a time when I became more enamored with the villains than the heroes. I even wrote fanfiction where the good girl, tired of playing it nice, met one of the bad guys and both found in each other their match. Toegether, they always beat the crap out of the nice guys and lived free, being faithful only to each other and telling the rest of the world to go to hell.

 

And then that phase passed and I started dating. The bad guys of real life proved to be too idiotic for my taste. Turns out the good guys were the best choice, after all.

 

Fantasizing with villains kinda lost its appeal, then. Funny how things turn out. 

 

Well things tend to be more interesting in fantasy than reality. I guess that's why my patience for cheating is at zero even in fiction. Played out for me. But yeah no bad guys for me in reality, can't be bothered and I'm enough of a unlikable bitter bastard on my own tyvm. 

 

But the only reason I'm even asking for this is because BW does KISA and woobie LIs for female male LIs so often it's gotten tiresome. Too much of a good thing and all that jazz. The males at least sometimes get something different once in a while.

 

 

I remember after The Dark Knight came out seeing self-insert fanfiction about THE ****** JOKER

 

Bah I've seen much much worse. (or read as the case might be). Original fiction at that

[Xilizhra]

You mean stupid evil dude who didn't leave well enough alone (5 years of failures are more than enough to learn it's time to cut your losses) didn't do basic research (He thought he was going to take on the freaking Champion and win? Someone who liberated a freaking city from the Qunari probably defeated the Arishok in single combat with a bunch of no name mercenaries? ) and treated his slave (that was his bodyguard) badly enough that his first instinct was to kill him after running away?

 

Yeah no.

Darth Zash? Darth Traya? Darth Marr?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Darth Zash? Darth Traya? Darth Marr?

I don't go to Star Wars for examples of well-done villains. Much less ones I'd want to hop into bed with.

[Ryzaki]

Darth Zash? Darth Traya? Darth Marr?

 

Zash was an idiot. The Inquisitor was just a bigger one seeing as your ancestor had to keep beating you over the head with SHE'S TRYING TO SCREW YOU OVER YO!

Not sure about Traya.

 

Marr might work though. He's the one who contacts you for Makeb no? Intelligent and reasonable but I don't know much about him to be fair.

 

Baras too was decent. He just got screwed up by being too much the chessmaster and moving against the warrior before verifying if they were truly a threat that proved to be his undoing.

[Xilizhra]

I don't go to Star Wars for examples of well-done villains. Much less ones I'd want to hop into bed with.

TIM?

 

 

Zash was an idiot. The Inquisitor was just a bigger one seeing as your ancestor had to keep beating you over the head with SHE'S TRYING TO SCREW YOU OVER YO!

Not sure about Traya.

 

Marr might work though. He's the one who contacts you for Makeb no? Intelligent and reasonable but I don't know much about him to be fair.

 

Baras too was decent. He just got screwed up by being too much the chessmaster and moving against the warrior before verifying if they were truly a threat that proved to be his undoing.

I'd have thought Baras'... appearance would have been more of a dealbreaker.

[Ryzaki]

I'd have thought Baras'... appearance would have been more of a dealbreaker.

 

I was talking more about personality type XD

 

That said I still lol when he throws his fit when you play troll warrior. That's the best part of the warrior story.

[Xilizhra]

I was talking more about personality type XD

 

That said I still lol when he throws his fit when you play troll warrior. That's the best part of the warrior story.

Does anyone else think that Tremel's admonishment to always take Baras seriously was a subtle joke, when immediately after that, you're confronted with Darth Cartman?

 

That said, I don't think Baras is nearly as good as he thinks he is. A light-sided Warrior is able to run rings around him, disobeying numerous orders and never being caught. Whenever he thinks he has control of a situation, he becomes an overconfident buffoon.

[Ryzaki]

Does anyone else think that Tremel's admonishment to always take Baras seriously was a subtle joke, when immediately after that, you're confronted with Darth Cartman?

 

That said, I don't think Baras is nearly as good as he thinks he is. A light-sided Warrior is able to run rings around him, disobeying numerous orders and never being caught. Whenever he thinks he has control of a situation, he becomes an overconfident buffoon.

 

XD nah. Baras is pretty cunning.

 

I'm actually inclined to feel that not blowing up in your face is simply part of the MMO thing. None of the decisions end up really weighty because of it. You don't get kicked out of the Jedi order despite being DS5 either. Nor does the agent give him/herself up for being too LS (or to DS) in some situations though it really should result in alarm (If you're DS on Bal you get your contact killed...yet they don't think it's a bit odd that all their plans end up screwed if you're LS? Stupid). So I don't take the LS warrior running circles around him that seriously.

 

But yeah he can be very overconfident especially in the ending. Watching him completely lose his cool was satisfying.

 

But yeah he at the very least was more neutral evil than stupid evil.

[Xilizhra]

In any case, I think that if this is done, it should be with an NPC villain who isn't included in the standard list of LIs.

Someone like... heck, Alexius.

[Super Drone]

We get it. You rather not have an LI like this. Romance one of the many others that most likely won't fit this category. Especially considering I rather not repeat my preferences for the upteenth time to you.

 

Ah. and there's the rub. If we have these super eeeeevil LIs, they are taking up a possible LI spot. Meaning some people (*cough*notstraightwomen*cough*) will have one of their mostly likely 2 choices burned from the get-go.

 

Admittedly, as a straight dude, I'd be sitting pretty, since if they had an eeeeeevil female LI they'd almost have to take up the Morrigan/Viconia/Cass "Veronica" archtype. Which I already hate. 

[Moirnelithe]

To the OP: you might like some of the mods for older RPG's, they have this kind of LI:

 

- Adrian NPC for Baldur's Gate 2

- Demonheart module for Neverwinter Nights 1 

- A Dance with Rogues for Neverwinter Nights 1

 

I agree that male LI with manipulative evil tendencies (lawful/neutral evil to use D&D terms, NOT chaotic evil) are sadly lacking in RPG's. For some reason there are some female LI's that match this description but never ever male ones. I guess devs still think women only like goody two shoes and LI's that require 'fixing'. Sure, many do, but definitely not all.

[Ryzaki]

Ah. and there's the rub. If we have these super eeeeevil LIs, they are taking up a possible LI spot. Meaning some people (*cough*notstraightwomen*cough*) will have one of their mostly likely 2 choices burned from the get-go.

 

Admittedly, as a straight dude, I'd be sitting pretty, since if they had an eeeeeevil female LI they'd almost have to take up the Morrigan/Viconia/Cass "Veronica" archtype. Which I already hate. 

 

XD

 

Honestly I want it for a male character that a female character can romance. But it's only burned from the get go if you don't like that archetype. Some got burned cause they don't like how IB looks, or want to place certain races already so it's nothing new.

 

To the OP: you might like some of the mods for older RPG's, they have this kind of LI:

 

- Adrian NPC for Baldur's Gate 2

- Demonheart module for Neverwinter Nights 1 

- A Dance with Rogues for Neverwinter Nights 1

 

I agree that male LI with manipulative evil tendencies (lawful/neutral evil to use D&D terms, NOT chaotic evil) are sadly lacking in RPG's. For some reason there are some female LI's that match this description but never ever male ones. I guess devs still think women only like goody two shoes and LI's that require 'fixing'. Sure, many do, but definitely not all.

 

I'll look up Adrian and Demonheart...

 

I ended up wanting to gut Vico than romance him romancing my characters rapist is a hell no. Just...no. He's pretty stupid evil when it came down to it and killing him (yay twice) was the most satisfying part of that module.

 

I did romance the drow dude though.

[Xilizhra]

You're fine with other people killing your chosen LI, right? They can't be so allegedly magnificent that they're untouchable?

[Ryzaki]

You're fine with other people killing your chosen LI, right? They can't be so allegedly magnificent that they're untouchable?

 

I rather my LI not die unless I screwed up somehow.

 

Evil or not.

 

On the other hand being betrayed and having to be saved? Sure I'd be fine with happening for an evil LI.

[Moirnelithe]

XD

 

Honestly I want it for a male character that a female character can romance. But it's only burned from the get go if you don't like that archetype. Some got burned cause they don't like how IB looks, or want to place certain races already so it's nothing new.

 

 

I'll look up Adrian and Demonheart...

 

Yeah too much rape in ADWR for me. And I ended up wanting to gut Vico than romance him romancing my characters rapist is a hell no. Just...no. He's pretty stupid evil when it came down to it and killing him (yay twice) was the most satisfying part of that module.

 

I did romance the drow dude though.

Then you'll probably want to kill the first LI you meet in Demonheart, the second one is pretty cool though, a bit like Rizzen but with a central role in the story. Unfortunately Demonheart is still a work in progress. The creator doesn't seem the type to abandon her work though, so fingers crossed. 

[eyezonlyii]

You're fine with other people killing your chosen LI, right? They can't be so allegedly magnificent that they're untouchable?

Why not? All the goody goody LI's are invincible.

 

Edit: Most of them anyway.

[Super Drone]

XD

 

Honestly I want it for a male character that a female character can romance. But it's only burned from the get go if you don't like that archetype. Some got burned cause they don't like how IB looks, or want to place certain races already so it's nothing new.

 

 

Your response to not liking the evil LI was to Romance one of the no doubt many other options.

 

I was noting that the presence of evil LIs will no doubt mean you will no longer have any options. You will have the one not-evil option of your gender preference.

[Xilizhra]

I rather my LI not die unless I screwed up somehow.

 

Evil or not.

 

On the other hand being betrayed and having to be saved? Sure I'd be fine with happening for an evil LI.

No, I mean the PC killing them.

 

 

Why not? All the goody goody LI's are invincible.

 

Edit: Most of them anyway.

Er, no. One is, Leliana. Alistair, Merrill and Anders are all killable.

[Ryzaki]

Then you'll probably want to kill the first LI you meet in Demonheart, the second one is pretty cool though, a bit like Rizzen but with a central role in the story. Unfortunately Demonheart is still a work in progress. The creator doesn't seem the type to abandon her work though, so fingers crossed. 

 

Welp least I got fair warning. I kind of raged when I realized I couldn't kill Vico til the second module >_>

 

But I'll wait til it's complete.

 

You're reponse was that not likely evil LI was to Romance one of the no doubt many other options.

 

I was noting that the presence of evil LIs will no doubt mean you will no longer have any options. You will have the one not-evil option of your gender preference.

 

I guess I'm pretty hm on that because I usually get turned off at least one of the LIs by default in BW games anyway and I usually don't restrict myself to one gender preference. If a female NPC is the only romanceable character I like...then she's the one I'll romance. Same with male. It happens. But fair enough. I'll still hope for my darker LI though.

 

 

No, I mean the PC killing them.

 

Uh...I wouldn't unless they betrayed my PC but if the rest of the Lis are killable by the PC yeah they shouldn't be exempt.

[Lennard Testarossa]

Currently looking for something to do 'til DA:I comes out... is A Dance with Rogues any good?

[Hazegurl]

You're fine with other people killing your chosen LI, right? They can't be so allegedly magnificent that they're untouchable?

I would have loved for Fenris to straight up two-hand cleave the f*ck out of Anders randomly and without warning but if even he gets to be untouchable by the word of of the PC then I see no reason why other LIs should be treated differently.

[Xilizhra]

I would have loved for Fenris to straight up two-hand cleave the f*ck out of Anders randomly and without warning but if even he gets to be untouchable by the word of of the PC then I see no reason why other LIs should be treated differently.

Er, Anders is totally killable.

[Ryzaki]

Currently looking for something to do 'til DA:I comes out... is A Dance with Rogues any good?

 

Honestly it wasn't really too me. Way too much rape, some hilariously bad sex scenes and the PC had the option to blush at everygodamnthing.

 

I mostly played it to see how bad it got.

 

I admit the stealth bits were fun...but the rest tho =/

[Hazegurl]

yeah I just saw the post of you explaining yourself. I think all companions should be killable. Nothing is worse than a plot armored companion.

[eyezonlyii]

No, I mean the PC killing them.

 

 

Er, no. One is, Leliana. Alistair, Merrill and Anders are all killable.

Anders is not  a goody goody and Merrill is debatable.