What I can't do is blast the wicked with magical fire. I find it enjoyable enough to stick with that.
You find that enough. I personally don't find enough stories with characters and protagonist goals that I could relate to and enjoy, and that is quite the bummer.
That's great for you. That doesn't mean everyone plays that way. Also I suppose we should take out dwarves then? Since you know more people play darker characters than play dwarves
as for bad messages I was perfectly able to play and excel as darker characters in every single BW game. That ship sailed a while ago.
She's a terrible character actually. Especially since she's forced on the Sith Inquisitor despite a blatant (let her die) choice that goes ignored for reasons. And her "don't make me go against my values" and "jedi don't fear death" are particularly laughable after her begging for her life if you shock her.
Well, you know I'd prefer to take out any options to side with the templars...
On Ashara, I've seen so very many people butthurt about being unable to turn her to the dark side, and it's rather lulzy. But I was light-sided and synchronized extremely well with her. And we would have worked so well together romantically... bah.
Ashara is a decent character, I just dislike the fact that one can't turn her to the dark side.
That's great for you. That doesn't mean everyone plays that way. Also I suppose we should take out dwarves then? Since you know more people play darker characters than play dwarves
She's a terrible character actually. Especially since she's forced on the Sith Inquisitor despite a blatant (let her die) choice that goes ignored for reasons. And her "don't make me go against my values" and "jedi don't fear death" are particularly laughable after her begging for her life if you shock her.
eh, to each his own. I like her and made a hunky sith inquisitor dude to romance her. As you pointed out upthread, each person has their own preferences. Romances are always optional. Just do what I do to characters like Skadge if you don't like them. Just park her ass on the ship and never talk to her.
I seem to recall that the court system will allow you to recruit defeated enemies, with the operative question being "Are you willing to recruit someone who you know to be evil in order to make your Inquisition more powerful?" So, yes, you're being offered incentives to keep evil people around you. Whether these incentives are worth it is half the question, with the other half being "Am I being an idiot storing this person in the castle I sleep in?"
Well... I admit, I prefer to not kill people who aren't trying to kill me, so doing it this way would be interesting. Especially if it works for Alexius.
Well, you know I'd prefer to take out any options to side with the templars...
On Ashara, I've seen so very many people butthurt about being unable to turn her to the dark side, and it's rather lulzy. But I was light-sided and synchronized extremely well with her. And we would have worked so well together romantically... bah.
Indeed which would only weaken the game as a whole. There are perfectly valid reasons to side with each side.
I didn't care about turning her DS. I cared that her whiny ass was forced on my ship despite it making crap for sense. Felt the same way with Skadge, Gault, Kaliyo and Vette.
Meh Revel's romance was far superior.
eh, to each his own. I like her and made a hunky sith inquisitor dude to romance her. As you pointed out upthread, each person has their own preferences. Romances are always optional. Just do what I do to characters like Skadge if you don't like them. Just park her ass on the ship and never talk to her.
Believe me that's exactly what I do but it's so mindscrewy that my Inquisitor's LS or not would let her live much less have to drag her along as an apprentice. It's exactly why I completely understand the people wanting any evil LI to be optional. I've been there I know it's unpleasant.
And god don't get me started on Skadge. I could complain about him all night.
Well, you know I'd prefer to take out any options to side with the templars...
There you go, and some of us here are playing the main story arc that involves ''serving the templars and fighting rebel mages with the main story choices divided between weather you should kill a mage or send them to a reformed circle'' so to speak.
And you go, ''yep, good, most people enjoy it.''
Indeed which would only weaken the game as a whole. There are perfectly valid reasons to side with each side.
I didn't care about turning her DS. I cared that her whiny ass was forced on my ship despite it making crap for sense. Felt the same way with Skadge, Gault, Kaliyo and Vette.
Meh Revel's romance was far superior.
LOL and I found him boring, predictable and unappealing.
LOL and I found him boring, predictable and unappealing.
Heh he was okay. But even okay is better than the want to rip my eyes out and shove needles into my ears of Ashara's romance. 
Indeed which would only weaken the game as a whole. There are perfectly valid reasons to side with each side.
I didn't care about turning her DS. I cared that her whiny ass was forced on my ship despite it making crap for sense. Felt the same way with Skadge, Gault, Kaliyo and Vette.
Meh Revel's romance was far superior.
I disagree with your opinion in the first line. As for the rest... Vette, of all people? I loved her even more, to the extent that I actually became guilty and stopped playing the Warrior storyline because it felt like Vette was only going along with this because she felt obligated, due to my being her surrogate family.
There you go, and some of us here are playing the main story arc that involves ''serving the templars and fighting rebel mages with the main story choices divided between weather you should kill a mage or send them to a reformed circle'' so to speak.
And you go, ''yep, good, most people enjoy it.''
I don't think we know enough to condemn Inquisition just yet on this. Especially since we're definitely not serving the templars.
Heh he was okay. But even okay is better than the want to rip my eyes out and shove needles into my ears of Ashara's romance.
It's good that they offer different content, but I found most of the romances in SW lacking. Corso was the most fun when you flirted with others in front of him. Quinn...don't get me started on him. I understand in Beta you could actually kill him for his betrayal, but then that leaves your Warrior without a healer for the rest of the game. I had to head canon my sith would make him kiss major ass before letting him touch her again. Torian and Mako both are so sweet, you need an insulin shot to finish their romances. Aric and Elara were both pretty much sticks in the mud (though her accent makes Elara a bit more palatable).
I did enjoy Doc and Kira though.
And Vector was my favorite. That scene where he suppresses the hive to give you some privacy cinched his place as my favorite. It was a very vulnerable and touching moment (to me). And I hate bugs.
Well... I admit, I prefer to not kill people who aren't trying to kill me, so doing it this way would be interesting. Especially if it works for Alexius.
I would be very leery about recruiting a mage who had previously tried to kill me unless either the mage showed pretty clear repentance or I'd read a strategy guide which told me I could trust the mage. (This is true of all such agents, rather than just being true about mages, but being betrayed by a mage is more unpleasant than being betrayed by someone who can't conjure fire in my stables.)
I would be very leery about recruiting a mage who had previously tried to kill me unless either the mage showed pretty clear repentance or I'd read a strategy guide which told me I could trust the mage. (This is true of all such agents, rather than just being true about mages, but being betrayed by a mage is more unpleasant than being betrayed by someone who can't conjure fire in my stables.)
Clearly hating the Elder One and seeming to do everything he was doing out of despair strike me as characteristics that shouldn't be too hard to mold into redemption.
It's good that they offer different content, but I found most of the romances in SW lacking. Corso was the most fun when you flirted with others in front of him. Quinn...don't get me started on him. I understand in Beta you could actually kill him for his betrayal, but then that leaves your Warrior without a healer for the rest of the game. I had to head canon my sith would make him kiss major ass before letting him touch her again. Torian and Mako both are so sweet, you need an insulin shot to finish their romances. Aric and Elara were both pretty much sticks in the mud (though her accent makes Elara a bit more palatable).
I did enjoy Doc and Kira though.
And Vector was my favorite. That scene where he suppresses the hive to give you some privacy cinched his place as my favorite. It was a very vulnerable and touching moment (to me). And I hate bugs.
For me, I would decline the hive suppression. If I'm to romance Vector, I'm romancing all of him, and the connection with the Killiks is part of who he is.
Is this in 2 or Inquisition?
I haven't even played Inquisition yet, but I can already say both. There is not a single companion that I like, that has goals/character that I can sympathize with, not a single adviser in the Inquisition besides maybe Josie, people that have started the organization are the people whose skulls I would happily bash, and the point of the organization all together is questionable to me at best, because I don't even know what the Elder one is REALLY up to and how that is going to effect the world, though I know for sure that I absolutely don't give a crap about all the templars, circle mages, chantry and random peasants that died in the blast. For example if I take into account that magic becomes stronger due to the breach and I am playing a mage, then I could already support the Elder one.
Obviously there might be a good reason to fight the elder one and close the breach but that is not even the main problem for me. The real problem starts in the player attitude, their emotional response to all these questions and events, the dialogue options that guide my character into saying things that I wouldn't say in a million years without a better choice.
It's very sad. I just keep playing because I love the universe, the setting, and I actually can bring myself to ROLEPLAY a character that I do not sympathize with personally.
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I don't think we know enough to condemn Inquisition just yet on this. Especially since we're definitely not serving the templars.
I made a parable.
I disagree with your opinion in the first line. As for the rest... Vette, of all people? I loved her even more, to the extent that I actually became guilty and stopped playing the Warrior storyline because it felt like Vette was only going along with this because she felt obligated, due to my being her surrogate family.
Of course you do. Yes Vette her quirkiness grated on my DS SW and shocking her lost amusement factor fast.
It's good that they offer different content, but I found most of the romances in SW lacking. Corso was the most fun when you flirted with others in front of him. Quinn...don't get me started on him. I understand in Beta you could actually kill him for his betrayal, but then that leaves your Warrior without a healer for the rest of the game. I had to head canon my sith would make him kiss major ass before letting him touch her again. Torian and Mako both are so sweet, you need an insulin shot to finish their romances. Aric and Elara were both pretty much sticks in the mud (though her accent makes Elara a bit more palatable).
I did enjoy Doc and Kira though.
And Vector was my favorite. That scene where he suppresses the hive to give you some privacy cinched his place as my favorite. It was a very vulnerable and touching moment (to me). And I hate bugs.
Yeah though I did adore Quinn (mostly because I was the pursuer instead of the pursued) a lot of the romances were a bit uh... Corso made me wanna eject him out an airlock. Most fun I got out of him was having my female smug be DS. That said even the jealous act became absurd when I wasn't romancing him at all. Doc was pretty cheesy himself though but Iresso...he was...jeez okay I guess? He wasn't offensive at the very least. He wasn't overly interesting either.
But honestly I do adore Quinn...he still should've been killable. it's especially absurd that a SW is forced to spare him when you've killed people for much much less. It's completely character breaking for some SWs and I understand that aggravation.
Yeah the whole bug boy thing kind of made me huh at Vector but I can't stomach playing fem agent anyway.
But anyway to tie this back to the topic maybe we can get a darker male LI if we ever start in Tevinter. That'd be nice.
I haven't even played Inquisition yet, but I can already say both. There is not a single companion that I like, that has goals/character that I can sympathize with, not a single adviser in the Inquisition besides maybe Josie, people that have started the organization are the people whose skulls I would happily bash, and the point of the organization all together is questionable to me at best, because I don't even know what the Elder one is REALLY up to and how that is going to effect the world, though I know for sure that I absolutely don't give a crap about all the templars, circle mages, chantry and random peasants that died in the blast. For example if I take into account that magic becomes stronger due to the breach and I am playing a mage, then I could already support the Elder one.
Obviously there might be a good reason to fight the elder one and close the breach but that is not even the main problem for me. The real problem starts in the player attitude, their emotional response to all these questions and events, the dialogue options that guide my character into saying things that I wouldn't say in a million years without a better choice.
It's very sad. I just keep playing because I love the universe, the setting, and I actually can bring myself to ROLEPLAY a character that I do not sympathize with personally.
Well, the Elder One's antics are implied to be destroying the world, so it seems unlikely that any mage who hadn't surrendered would side with them.
Why do you dislike all the companions? What about them makes them all so unappealing?
Yeah though I did adore Quinn (mostly because I was the pursuer instead of the pursued) a lot of the romances were a bit uh... Corso made me wanna eject him out an airlock. Most fun I got out of him was having my female smug be DS. That said even the jealous act became absurd when I wasn't romancing him at all. Doc was pretty cheesy himself though
But honestly I do adore Quinn...he still should've been killable. it's especially absurd that a SW is forced to spare him when you've killed people for much much less. It's completely character breaking for some SWs and I understand that aggravation.
Yeah the whole bug boy thing kind of made me huh at Vector but I can't stomach playing fem agent anyway.
But anyway to tie this back to the topic maybe we can get a darker male LI if we ever start in Tevinter. That'd be nice.
Why can't you stomach playing a female Agent?
Why can't you stomach playing a female Agent?
Same reason I can't play femHawke the voice acting makes me wanna punch my monitor.
Same reason I can't play femHawke the voice acting makes me wanna punch my monitor.
I actually rather like Jo Wyatt's voice, but to each their own.
Well, the Elder One's antics are implied to be destroying the world, so it seems unlikely that any mage who hadn't surrendered would side with them.
I really doubt that the Elder one wants to bluntly destroy the whole world..
Why do you dislike all the companions? What about them makes them all so unappealing?
Because they are a bunch of self-righteous, over-emotional hypocrites. Let's say I see a bunch of peasants being attacked by bandits, I have time and power to stop the attack, but I walk away because I don't care. Is there a single companion that is going to be on the same boat with me?
I really doubt that the Elder one wants to bluntly destroy the whole world..
He might not care.
Because they are a bunch of self-righteous, over-emotional hypocrites. Let's say I see a bunch of peasants being attacked by bandits, I have time and power to stop the attack, but I walk away because I don't care. Is there a single companion that is going to be on the same boat with me?
Wherein lies the hypocrisy?
Same reason I can't play femHawke the voice acting makes me wanna punch my monitor.
I don't like her voice much either, so I always play as male Hawke.
Although since male IA sounds so emotionless most of the time, I still prefer female IA to him.
I actually rather like Jo Wyatt's voice, but to each their own.
Indeed.
I don't like her voice much either, so I always play as male Hawke.
Although since male IA sounds so emotionless most of the time, I still prefer female IA to him.
Nah I like the male IA when he's not undercover his voice is 
Wherein lies the hypocrisy?
The hypocrisy always lies in thinking that your actions are better than the actions of those around you. You do not agree with someone, they do not agree with you, and that's fine. But then you start telling people how wrong and horrible they are, yet you are the same.
The hypocrisy always lies in thinking that your actions are better than the actions of those around you. You do not agree with someone, they do not agree with you, and that's fine. But then you start telling people how wrong and horrible they are, yet you are the same.
then ignore them? you obviously don't care for them so ignore them.
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