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[KainD]

then ignore them? you obviously don't care for them so ignore them. 

 

What is the point of this thread? To ask for a companion that you will enjoy (and will care about).. 

A specific type, but non the less. 

[In Exile]

The hypocrisy always lies in thinking that your actions are better than the actions of those around you. You do not agree with someone, they do not agree with you, and that's fine. But then you start telling people how wrong and horrible they are, yet you are the same.

If the actions of someone around me are murdering puppies, then mine are objectivily better.

[Ryzaki]

If the actions of someone around me are murdering puppies, then mine are objectivily better.

 

Not if those puppies have rabies

 

(I get your point I just had to do it...)

[In Exile]

Not if those puppies have rabies

(I get your point I just had to do it...)

I was kinda hoping the retort would be about demon puppies. Or puppy abominations.

[KainD]

If the actions of someone around me are murdering puppies, then mine are objectivily better.

 

No. 

[Ryzaki]

I was kinda hoping the retort would be about demon puppies. Or puppy abominations.

 

Puppy abominations would be the worse.

 

Besides wouldn't they just possess fully grown mabari those suckers can do some damage.

[Hazegurl]

You can't be a torturing, mass-murdering rapist and then go home and turn your Evil Switch to the "off" position to spend time with your kids.

 

Everything stated sounds very narrow minded considering that their are plenty of people who others consider "evil" and yet are loved by their family and friends. I'm sure lots of people consider Anders evil and yet he could still have Hawke as a buddy at the very end.  Evil is simply a pov, subjective, and open to opinion. Even if an evil LI tried to manipulate the PC into believing they are right, it isn't really a manipulation if the PC already agrees and feels the same way. Sounds like that evil LI found a kindred spirit moreso than a sucker. That quote assumes the PC who falls for the villain will automatically play a perfect snowflake who can't handle consequences. lol!

[In Exile]

Everything stated sounds very narrow minded considering that their are plenty of people who others consider "evil" and yet are loved by their family and friends. I'm sure lots of people consider Anders evil and yet he could still have Hawke as a buddy at the very end.  Evil is simply a pov, subjective, and open to opinion. Even if an evil LI tried to manipulate the PC into believing they are right, it isn't really a manipulation if the PC already agrees and feels the same way. Sounds like that evil LI found a kindred spirit moreso than a sucker. That quote assumes the PC who falls for the villain will automatically play a perfect snowflake who can't handle consequences. lol!

 

People consider Anders a mass-murder, but he's not evil in the way that people are asking for in this thread. We're talking about someone who's a predatory abuser. That's an incredibly pathological personality. 

 

It's not about manipulation. It's about the little things - lying, selfishness, etc. It's not the PC who people are asking to be a special snowflake - it's the relationship itself. 
 

There's a big difference between a villain LI - in the sense of a villain as an antagonist - and an evil LI (who many not even be an antagonist or villain for most of the game, if not the entire game, cf. Bishop or Canderous). 

 

Puppy abominations would be the worse.

 

Besides wouldn't they just possess fully grown mabari those suckers can do some damage.

 

Naw, we're looking at cute abominations here. 

[Ryzaki]

People consider Anders a mass-murder, but he's not evil in the way that people are asking for in this thread. We're talking about someone who's a predatory abuser. That's an incredibly pathological personality. 

 

It's not about manipulation. It's about the little things - lying, selfishness, etc. It's not the PC who people are asking to be a special snowflake - it's the relationship itself. 
 

There's a big difference between a villain LI - in the sense of a villain as an antagonist - and an evil LI (who many not even be an antagonist or villain for most of the game, if not the entire game, cf. Bishop or Canderous). 

 

 

Naw, we're looking at cute abominations here. 

 

To be fair I initially asked for a darker LI. Mostly because I assumed people would jump to the evil eats puppies for breakfast type. Those are attack dogs not lovers.

 

Abominations are not cute. They are deadly

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Same reason I can't play femHawke the voice acting makes me wanna punch my monitor.

My favourite voice actress in any Bioware game.

 

Because they are a bunch of self-righteous, over-emotional hypocrites. Let's say I see a bunch of peasants being attacked by bandits, I have time and power to stop the attack, but I walk away because I don't care. Is there a single companion that is going to be on the same boat with me? 

That's disturbing.

 

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You can't be a torturing, mass-murdering rapist and then go home and turn your Evil Switch to the "off" position to spend time with your kids.

 

Everything stated sounds very narrow minded considering that their are plenty of people who others consider "evil" and yet are loved by their family and friends. I'm sure lots of people consider Anders evil and yet he could still have Hawke as a buddy at the very end.  Evil is simply a pov, subjective, and open to opinion. Even if an evil LI tried to manipulate the PC into believing they are right, it isn't really a manipulation if the PC already agrees and feels the same way. Sounds like that evil LI found a kindred spirit moreso than a sucker. That quote assumes the PC who falls for the villain will automatically play a perfect snowflake who can't handle consequences. lol!

Having differing views is completely different from being an evil or dark person, who are usually sadistic, lack empathy and are psychologically disturbed, and whose vile actions are not in service of higher goal which they think is "the right thing to do". Under what "pov" can you justify raping innocent people and torturing animals?

[In Exile]

To be fair I initially asked for a darker LI. Mostly because I assumed people would jump to the evil eats puppies for breakfast type. Those are attack dogs not lovers.

 

Abominations are not cute. They are deadly

 

Well, puppies go really well with eggs over easy. I can hardly blame Dictator McOverlord from indulging himself from time to time. 

 

And abominations can be deadly and cute. Like Leliana. 

[Amirit]

That's great for you. That doesn't mean everyone plays that way. Also I suppose we should take out dwarves then? Since you know more people play darker characters than play dwarves as for bad messages I was perfectly able to play and excel as darker characters in every single BW game. That ship sailed a while ago.

 
Where did you get it? I'm serious - I am a sucker for statistic and can not find anything about DA in this area. Here and there developers give hints like "Lelieana is the most popular romance" or "rogue is the least playable class" - but this is it If you know something I do not, please, share! 
 
 
Btw, I would argue that old statement "given a choice all play a murderer to try something different". According to statistic, when presented moral choices players tend to follow their RL character. I do not say there are zero role-players who DO try different personalities, but they are minority.

lol and I did hop onto an IA.  Up to Grathan's estate on DK now 

Way to go! Started an SW myself (aiming for all-8 on another server) Some stories really benefit from playing without distraction for side-quests.

Btw, Skavak is another perfect dark LI, do not understand why nobody mentioned him yet

[Moirnelithe]

My favourite voice actress in any Bioware game.

 

That's disturbing.

 

Having differing views is completely different from being an evil or dark person, who are usually sadistic, lack empathy and are psychologically disturbed, and whose vile actions are not in service of higher goal which they think is "the right thing to do". Under what "pov" can you justify raping innocent people and torturing animals?

It's been said over and over in this thread that that kind of 'dark' is not the kind being asked for. You are referring to chaotic evil only. Please reread the thread before forcing us to repeat ourselves yet again.

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How about you read what I quoted instead?

[Muspade]

This thread makes me worried.

[sylvanaerie]

 
Where did you get it? I'm serious - I am a sucker for statistic and can not find anything about DA in this area. Here and there developers give hints like "Lelieana is the most popular romance" or "rogue is the least playable class" - but this is it If you know something I do not, please, share! 
 
 
Btw, I would argue that old statement "given a choice all play a murderer to try something different". According to statistic, when presented moral choices players tend to follow their RL character. I do not say there are zero role-players who DO try different personalities, but they are minority.


Way to go! Started an SW myself (aiming for all-8 on another server) Some stories really benefit from playing without distraction for side-quests.

Btw, Skavak is another perfect dark LI, do not understand why nobody mentioned him yet

I did.  My smuggler had a grand time chasing him (and being chased) in her first Act.  

I suppose I have to amend my stance if he can be considered a 'darker LI'.  But that it was more fun the chase and and the drama and the love/hate.  I didn't really consider him a LI.  I thought Darmas Pollaran fit that a bit better.  He even seems to regret it if you choose "I loved you" as a response when you confront him in Act 3. 

[Xilizhra]

It's been said over and over in this thread that that kind of 'dark' is not the kind being asked for. You are referring to chaotic evil only. Please reread the thread before forcing us to repeat ourselves yet again.

Hardly. The quote I mentioned prior was regarding Order of the Stick's Tarquin, who's about as lawful evil as you can get, yet is also still a rapist (in the context of forced marriages) and torturer (though the villainy that drives him for his arc is a combination of his gigantic ego and extreme control freak tendencies).

[Fast Jimmy]

If the actions of someone around me are murdering puppies, then mine are objectivily better.

What if those puppies are rapists?


Puppy rape. It's time we stop sweeping the issue under the rug.

[Amirit]

I did.  My smuggler had a grand time chasing him (and being chased) in her first Act.  
I suppose I have to amend my stance if he can be considered a 'darker LI'.  But that it was more fun the chase and and the drama and the love/hate.  I didn't really consider him a LI.  I thought Darmas Pollaran fit that a bit better.  He even seems to regret it if you choose "I loved you" as a response when you confront him in Act 3.

I meant - "nobody mentioned him before", you were the first one to remember he had that one option too.

Anyway, as under-developed as they are (understandably) I think SWTOR NPC gave the whole specter of LIs. Hence, BW is still true to diversity.

[KainD]

.Having differing views is completely different from being an evil or dark person, who are usually sadistic, lack empathy and are psychologically disturbed, and whose vile actions are not in service of higher goal which they think is "the right thing to do". Under what "pov" can you justify raping innocent people and torturing animals?

 

Justice is subjective, as are morals, everything is just different views. 

[Super Drone]

I guess I must have some serious misconceptions about myself, that or I don't exist. Lol

 

Or both.

[Super Drone]

This thread makes me worried.

 

Eh. this thread is not going to change much.

 

Companions are too costly to develop to have to make two sets of them for good and evil PCs. So, we're mostly going to see Good and Morally Ambiguous characters. 

 

And as for LIs. I'm shocked not one Straight Male has come in to remind people our options are basically a female Paladin and peacekeeper diplomat. 

[Hazegurl]

People consider Anders a mass-murder, but he's not evil in the way that people are asking for in this thread. We're talking about someone who's a predatory abuser. That's an incredibly pathological personality. 

 

It's not about manipulation. It's about the little things - lying, selfishness, etc. It's not the PC who people are asking to be a special snowflake - it's the relationship itself. 
 

There's a big difference between a villain LI - in the sense of a villain as an antagonist - and an evil LI (who many not even be an antagonist or villain for most of the game, if not the entire game, cf. Bishop or Canderous). 

 

 

Naw, we're looking at cute abominations here. 

Anders is evil to me. He killed hundreds of people for his own cause and uses his so called friends to do it. You just may not see him as predatory but I totally see him as latching onto Hawke to use him/her, he tries to use him for a place to hide out by dropping hints since act 1 about the danger of his location et al. The only thing that separates Anders from what is being asks for in this thread is the crybaby whiny crap. Cut that from Anders and you've got a pretty okay dark LI. 

 

And what you are automatically asking for is that the relationship go sour BECAUSE they are not good people.  Would you also be open to romancing a good boy/girl LI and have the relationship go south?

 

This thread began simply asking for a darker LI that ended up with some mentioning evil and villain LIs. I agree that they are all different to a degree but in the end it's opinion based. Some players may consider the darker LI to be a villain or be evil et al. That's why those types will also be mentioned by both sides of the argument.

[Hazegurl]

Having differing views is completely different from being an evil or dark person, who are usually sadistic, lack empathy and are psychologically disturbed, and whose vile actions are not in service of higher goal which they think is "the right thing to do". Under what "pov" can you justify raping innocent people and torturing animals?

Really? Last I checked even Terrorists had loved ones. Even some serial killers teamed up and had loyalty and/or affection for each other. Does that make them good people based solely on them being able to love? IMO no, they are still rotten, but yes people can commit heinous crimes and still kiss their children goodnight.  Welcome to the real world.

 

Also, why are you still on the raping and animal abuse? A person can be an "evil" person without ever doing any of those things. A banker can deny an old lady with no family a loan knowing that if she doesn't get it she could lose her house and end up dead on the street for the upcoming winter. He could do it and not bat a flipping eye about it and go take his kids to Disneyland for the winter with his bonus. I'm sure his family loves him dearly and he loves them too, and the old lady who's freezing to death probably thinks he's Satan incarnate.

[Xilizhra]

Really? Last I checked even Terrorists had loved ones. Even some serial killers teamed up and had loyalty and/or affection for each other. Does that make them good people based solely on them being able to love? IMO no, they are still rotten, but yes people can commit heinous crimes and still kiss their children goodnight.  Welcome to the real world.

 

Also, why are you still on the raping and animal abuse? A person can be an "evil" person without ever doing any of those things. A banker can deny an old lady with no family a loan knowing that if she doesn't get it she could lose her house and end up dead on the street for the upcoming winter. He could do it and not bat a flipping eye about it and go take his kids to Disneyland for the winter with his bonus. I'm sure his family loves him dearly and he loves them too, and the old lady who's freezing to death probably thinks he's Satan incarnate.

I wouldn't necessarily call it love if you'd kill them the instant they stepped out of line, which I think would be the case for virtually all terrorists/serial killers. I doubt many loved ones in the former case would survive trying to leave their religion, for instance.