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[Dean_the_Young]

Same reason I can't play femHawke the voice acting makes me wanna punch my monitor.

 

I can't play FemTrooper for similar reasons.

 

Well, not so much 'bad' acting as much as 'I don't want Shepard again.'
 

[Ryzaki]

I can't play FemTrooper for similar reasons.

 

Well, not so much 'bad' acting as much as 'I don't want Shepard again.'
 

 

The sad thing is I like Hale's acting most of the time.

 

Her Shepard voice makes me want to throw things though. And that's the exact voice she used for fem trooper.

[Dean_the_Young]

 

I just didn't expect you to suggest yourself is all.

 

That description though

 

Should I create a Dean-The-Young for DA4 LI signature?

 

Obviously. How else will you get my fanclub started for a social media movement?

 

Now, do go on about how you fantasize about me. Do I whisper sweet nothings about how much better we are than the fools beneath us? Do we make a secret joke of undermining and crushing a dreamer's ambitions while tricking them into thinking we were helping? Or perhaps, in a moment of touching solidarity, I quietly put my hand on your shoulder to show support as we prepare to take the world and split it amongst ourselves?

 

This is really all quite amusing. Please, continue.

[Zu Long]

Just as feedback I personally am kind of tired of the Knights in Shining Armor and would be morally dubious but they had a bad past and want to become a better person woobies.

 

I just would prefer a much more morally twisted love interest for once. (Preferably a straight male since we get close to it on female love interests (Morrigan but even she has woobie syndrome). Hopefully that doesn't fall into the stupid evil pitfall or the love redeems trope (maybe they could encourage the PC to be darker and make more ruthless decisions for a fall to darkness). I'd just like someone a bit on the darker side that my darker characters could romance. Who isn't that way because of a terrible childhood for once (would be nice if they had a nice childhood and was just an jerk because some people are just jerky).

 

And no this isn't a demand. Just a request for an LI type I'd like to see in the future.

 

(If anyone else has any suggestions for future LIs for more morally dubious PCs feel free to throw em in here)

 

So, if I'm reading this correctly, you want to be able to romance Sister Petrice?

 

...Yeah, okay, I can see it. I'd never choose it, (she'd probably meet the same fate as Anders and Loghain in my games), but Petrice was a pretty well-rounded character with specific motivations. She could have been a companion if Bioware had chosen to do it that way.

[Zu Long]

The trouble is when evil content takes away space that could be used by good content.

 

Come on now. Speaking as someone who plays nearly total paragon- the ability to CHOOSE good is what gives the choice meaning. Without the evil options, playing a good guy wouldn't be nearly as much fun for me.

[Hellion Rex]

Why?

 

I'm a motivated and too clever by half, and can be plenty charming when I want to be. Being an exceptionally objective and goal oriented person with priorities of my own discretion, I'm comfortable with a level of ruthlessness and moral ambiguity that most people shy away from. My past is hardly tragic or traumatized, nor am I by any means a crusader for moralistic pet causes. I treat those who earn my respect as equals, admire those who I have the ambition to match, and dismiss those who fail to reach those levels without needing to seek their approval. I have a bitingly sardonic sense of humor, and keep my ego healthily maintained.

 

By your standards, I'm perfect.

 

Face it- you want me as a Bioware love interest.

[Dean_the_Young]

Come on now. Speaking as someone who plays nearly total paragon- the ability to CHOOSE good is what gives the choice meaning. Without the evil options, playing a good guy wouldn't be nearly as much fun for me.

 

Xil's on record in the past of opposing even the existence of choices and routes she isn't interested in, to save more resources for the ones she is.

 

Nothing new to see here with her.

[Dean_the_Young]

 

Hm... a fling between us would be either catastrophically successful, or just catastrophic.

 

Tell you what. You can be Ryzaki's Vice President of the fanclub, and my number three fan.

[Ryzaki]

Obviously. How else will you get my fanclub started for a social media movement?

 

Now, do go on about how you fantasize about me. Do I whisper sweet nothings about how much better we are than the fools beneath us? Do we make a secret joke of undermining and crushing a dreamer's ambitions while tricking them into thinking we were helping? Or perhaps, in a moment of touching solidarity, I quietly put my hand on your shoulder to show support as we prepare to take the world and split it amongst ourselves?

 

This is really all quite amusing. Please, continue.

 

 

I can't breathe. Stay a little less in character damnit!

 

We should probably get started on the hashtag early then

 

But I must ask Dean if you must betray me how would do it? Would I at least die knowing it was you?

 

So, if I'm reading this correctly, you want to be able to romance Sister Petrice?

 

...Yeah, okay, I can see it. I'd never choose it, (she'd probably meet the same fate as Anders and Loghain in my games), but Petrice was a pretty well-rounded character with specific motivations. She could have been a companion if Bioware had chosen to do it that way.

 

Petrice was a major idiot and the only reason she doesn't get gutted in act 1 was because Hawke was stuck holding the idiot ball too. She made unnecessary enemies out of the qunari and had no means of defending the city after they got roused. Other people had to do that and she doesn't even help if she's left alive. She's completely incompetent. Don't start fights that you have no way of finishing.

[Hellion Rex]

Petrice

Grrrrrrrrr.......

[Hellion Rex]

Hm... a fling between us would be either catastrophically successful, or just catastrophic.

 

Tell you what. You can be Ryzaki's Vice President of the fanclub, and my number three fan.

...ummm, thank you?

[Dean_the_Young]

So, if I'm reading this correctly, you want to be able to romance Sister Petrice?

 

...Yeah, okay, I can see it. I'd never choose it, (she'd probably meet the same fate as Anders and Loghain in my games), but Petrice was a pretty well-rounded character with specific motivations. She could have been a companion if Bioware had chosen to do it that way.

 

Eh. You were pretty much forced into antagonism with Sister Petrice- there was no thematic and consistent approach to agreeing with her view about the need to force a confrontation with the Qunari. Diplomatic, Humorous, and Aggressive routes all had numerous dialogues oppossing or dispariging her, to the point that the only way to avoid verbal arguments half the time was to jump all across the dialogue wheel.

 

That said... Petrice is an example of a sorts. A good 'dark' LI of the 'unpleasantly opinionated' sort could be one who gets along with anyone who agrees with them in their specific area of concern, and doesn't have the time of day for anyone who isn't. As long as you were conciliatory, Petrice was workable.
 

[Hellion Rex]

 

Now, do go on about how you fantasize about me. Do I whisper sweet nothings about how much better we are than the fools beneath us? Do we make a secret joke of undermining and crushing a dreamer's ambitions while tricking them into thinking we were helping? Or perhaps, in a moment of touching solidarity, I quietly put my hand on your shoulder to show support as we prepare to take the world and split it amongst ourselves?

 

Yessssssss. Keep talking.

[Ryzaki]

Eh. You were pretty much forced into antagonism with Sister Petrice- there was no thematic and consistent approach to agreeing with her view about the need to force a confrontation with the Qunari. Diplomatic, Humorous, and Aggressive routes all had numerous dialogues oppossing or dispariging her, to the point that the only way to avoid verbal arguments half the time was to jump all across the dialogue wheel.

 

That said... Petrice is an example of a sorts. A good 'dark' LI of the 'unpleasantly opinionated' sort could be one who gets along with anyone who agrees with them in their specific area of concern, and doesn't have the time of day for anyone who isn't. As long as you were conciliatory, Petrice was workable.
 

 

But her plan was terrible tho.

 

I did specify I wanted someone competent right?

[Zu Long]

Petrice was a major idiot and the only reason she doesn't get gutted in act 1 was because Hawke was stuck holding the idiot ball too. She made unnecessary enemies out the qunari and had no means of defending the city after they got roused. She's completely incompetent.

 

I thought the whole idea was that she wanted to force the Viscount to attack the Qunari. It's not that she made unnecessary enemies of the Qunari, her whole point was that she hated them and was willing "to do what was necessary" to get rid of them. Admittedly, long-term strategy wasn't really her thing, but her tactics as far as causing a divide were fairly effective.

[Zu Long]

That said... Petrice is an example of a sorts. A good 'dark' LI of the 'unpleasantly opinionated' sort could be one who gets along with anyone who agrees with them in their specific area of concern, and doesn't have the time of day for anyone who isn't. As long as you were conciliatory, Petrice was workable.
 

 

There, that's what I was getting at.

[Ryzaki]

I thought the whole idea was that she wanted to force the Viscount to attack the Qunari. It's not that she made unnecessary enemies of the Qunari, her whole point was that she hated them and was willing "to do what was necessary" to get rid of them. Admittedly, long-term strategy wasn't really her thing, but her tactics as far as causing a divide were fairly effective.

 

Which didn't work. The Qunari ended up attacking them and she has seen years of the Vicount not attacking the Qunari so you'd think she'd prepare a backup plan in case they attack first....since after all she wants the faithful to prove they can succeed against the barbarians.

 

But nope. There was no one helping you in the streets against the qunari except eventually the mages and the templars. That was complete and utter incompetence.

[Zu Long]

But her plan was terrible tho.

 

I did specify I wanted someone competent right?

 

Um... actually, you didn't.

 

"Competent" never appears in your first post, LOL.

 

Her plan's only real failing was that she totally misread Elthina. If the Grand Cleric had been more willing to attack the Qunari outright, things might have gone very differently.

[Ryzaki]

Eh. You were pretty much forced into antagonism with Sister Petrice- there was no thematic and consistent approach to agreeing with her view about the need to force a confrontation with the Qunari. Diplomatic, Humorous, and Aggressive routes all had numerous dialogues oppossing or dispariging her, to the point that the only way to avoid verbal arguments half the time was to jump all across the dialogue wheel.

 

That said... Petrice is an example of a sorts. A good 'dark' LI of the 'unpleasantly opinionated' sort could be one who gets along with anyone who agrees with them in their specific area of concern, and doesn't have the time of day for anyone who isn't. As long as you were conciliatory, Petrice was workable.
 

 

Oh Okay I see this.

[Nyaore]

So long as it doesn't go down the route of Fifty Shades of Grey where they outright condone abuse and excuse the behavior of the ****** ******* that is Christian Grey, then I don't see an issue with it. My only worry is that there is a very fine line they're going to have to be careful of crossing, lest it get into supremely uncomfortable territories.

[Ryzaki]

Um... actually, you didn't.

 

"Competent" never appears in your first post, LOL.

 

Her plan's only real failing was that she totally misread Elthina. If the Grand Cleric had been more willing to attack the Qunari outright, things might have gone very differently.

 

Crap. WELL I'M PUTTING IT IN. *activates TC powers*

 

But the thing is she's had years to read Elthina. How on earth she doesn't realize Elthina isn't the type to rock the boat after 2+ years is a complete failing on her end. It's not like Elthina hides it.

 

And the Vicount's neutrality is also widely known.

 

But again I could tolerate all this if she did support us during the fight with the Qunari with some troops or extra templars or something. But she doesn't even provide that much.

 

 

So long as it doesn't go down the route of Fifty Shades of Grey where they outright condone abuse and excuse the behavior of the ****** ******* that is Christian Grey, then I don't see an issue with it. My only worry is that there is a very fine line they're going to have to be careful of crossing, lest it get into supremely uncomfortable territories.

 

Agreed.

 

(God the way she made excuse I just wat)
 

[Dean_the_Young]

But I must ask Dean if you must betray me how would do it? Would I at least die knowing it was you?

 

 

Of course not- I might not place you above my life goals, but it wouldn't mean I stopped caring. I'd try to be merciful and spare you the pain- killing you by gentle poison if possible, by proxy and ambush if not.

 

Naturally, if the later, I would avenge you, both on the bandits and whoever would dare force my hand so.

 

 

...ummm, thank you?

 

Not going to lie- you aren't my favorite person on BSN. But you're up there.

 

Your job in the club will be disciplinarian, to punish anyone who goes to Tali Sweat levels of devotion and weirdness.

 

Yessssssss. Keep talking.

 

Welcome home, dear. What would you like first? Dinner cooked over the embers of our roasted foes? A bath drawn from the tears of our betrayed friends? Or... me?

 

 

[The correct answer is 'All of them.']

[Zu Long]

Which didn't work. The Qunari ended up attacking them and she has seen years of the Vicount not attacking the Qunari so you'd think she'd prepare a backup plan in case they attack first....since after all she wants the faithful to prove they can succeed against the barbarians.

 

But nope. There was no one helping you in the streets against the qunari except eventually the mages and the templars. That was complete and utter incompetence.

 

I dunno. At the end of the day, the Qunari DO get kicked out of Kirkwall. And as you point out, there were a lot of idiot balls in play in Kirkwall. You could argue that everyone in the city was an idiot. Maybe it was something in the water...

 

At any rate, the point is her PERSONALITY is a good fit for what you were talking about, regardless of how competent the writers choose to portray her.

[Amirit]

Probably because people will do what you did with the whole but paragon choices are more widely used and say "well I don't use it and only a few people do so they should only put in the stuff I and the majority use."

 

Normal relationships? What about the LIs strikes you as normal? Hell I remember when DA2 came out and one of the reasons given for Varric not being an LI was there wasn't enough drama in his relationship with Hawke. Most of the LIs are leeches where the PC gives and gives for them and they hardly ever ask the PCs about his/her feelings in return.

 

Also yes my warden was very heroic killing innocent people for health points. So was my Shepard shooting people in the back.

 

That's what we're establishing here. But most of us agree that we want someone that's not going to be completely chaotic evil.

 

Also what? How on earth do you think Cullen's a darker LI? As for IB I already said why I don't think he'd be liable to fit.

 

I mean...if you don't think it's liable why come in here to say so? I already admitted it was a long shot.

Edited for clarity.

 

You are right, this is a forum of requests and suggestions, not the ideas bushing (though discussion is discussion). I'll leave the thread and will stop bothering you. Just one more though: let's say it's true, 17% of players are pure renegades (in game, of course,  and "renegades" in general, not only in ME). But how many of them are women? And what percent of THAT percent wants dark LI? (because generate options does not mean automatically a desire for a dark LI)

Just a curious question, nothing more.

[Ryzaki]

I dunno. At the end of the day, the Qunari DO get kicked out of Kirkwall. And as you point out, there were a lot of idiot balls in play in Kirkwall. You could argue that everyone in the city was an idiot. Maybe it was something in the water...

 

At any rate, the point is her PERSONALITY is a good fit for what you were talking about, regardless of how competent the writers choose to portray her.

 

They were true. But yeah probably something in the water. I blame Meredith. She probably washed that sword in the reservoir.
 

That said yeah I just want competence. I got enough stupid evil with freaking Skadge and Xalek to last me forever.