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I'm on the fence about this. I fall for the Draco in Leather Pants thing sometimes, but I know it reality if you're a remorseless killer/torturer, you're not going to be a good lover.

 

That will not stop me writing fanfiction about Adachi. I love a man in uniform.

 

I agree a Zaeed-ish character would be cool. Or Meredith, though she is a woobie technically if I recall, though it's barely mentioned. Someone willing to be a tyrant in the name of the greater good. Though, also, not crazy would be preferable, and not a terrorist.

 

-stares at Anders-


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Well it wouldn't happen if the devs don't put it in the game.

 

I guess that includes you in the madness as well. Personally I don't recall anyone but you and the rest of the naysayers introducing IRL into this thread. Now you want to pass judgement on people based on IRL situations you cooked up to argue against the LI type being added to a video game. Seems like you're just stressing yourself out over something you blew out of proportion to begin with.

 

Really? Last I checked even Terrorists had loved ones. Even some serial killers teamed up and had loyalty and/or affection for each other. Does that make them good people based solely on them being able to love? IMO no, they are still rotten, but yes people can commit heinous crimes and still kiss their children goodnight.  Welcome to the real world.

Well look at that.

 

I stopped arguing against what Ryzaki was suggesting ages ago. But you somehow keep defending serial killers and rapists, without acknowledging that you want something purely fictional.



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Was playing Borderlands TPS and I totes found what the "romance" arc should be like:  Nisha and Jack

 

They like each other pretty much solely based on their villainy, they have fun being bad together and they don't particularly care if the other dies. They're basically FWBs who happen to be evil


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Could you handle a sexist LI though :rolleyes:

Probably more than a LI who completely lacked empathy. I like a lot of fiction and fictional characters that would be called 'problematic' for being anti-science or for having sexist personalities two things that do irk me irl. My favourite male character in fiction at the moment is a bit of a chauvinist, but he has other traits that totally outweigh that concern for me because he genuinely cares for people, that and when female characters in the stories call him out for it, he rolls with it and doesn't take offence.
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Riiiight, and you don't expect the same person to kill you after sleeping with you, getting bored with you, or the first sign of disagreement.

 

Depends on what kind of person they are. The fact that they don't have morals tells me next to nothing about them, other than they are very open-minded. 

 

Are ****** kidding me? Of course they don't belong in the same bloody sentence. Decent people have enough trouble maintaining relationships with "love and care" without dealing with a ****** psychopath.

 

Well to maintain a good relationship you have to start it with a person that has similar main life goals obviously, which most people don't pay enough attention to. 



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Well look at that.

 

I stopped arguing against what Ryzaki was suggesting ages ago. But you somehow keep defending serial killers and rapists, without acknowledging that you want something purely fictional.

And as I recall I was responding to a post that was about 20 + pages in the thread. Long after Ryzaki had posted several times that she isn't talking about IRL issues. The fact that she even had to mention that in the first place is a problem when anyone can read the OP and see that her request had nothing at all to do with IRL to begin with. Oh yeah, and that it's in the suggestions section of a game site. :rolleyes:

 

And no one defended rapists and serial killers just as no one should have to freaking tell you over and over again that requesting a LI type in a video game isn't real. Seriously, this is my last post to you. I don't care what you think about this thread or anyone in it. You came here to be offended and you got your wish.


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Oh god that man. Oh that man.

 

He made me rage so hard at the end of wolf's rain. That said the only one I ended up caring about was poor Toboe. Poor poor Toboe :( Well I liked Tsume too but Toboe man. :(

 

But he was successful. :crying:

 OMG I know! I think I screamed at the tv.  Toboe is my favorite wolf out of them all so it was so hard watching that whole thing play out. I usually root for the villain easily depending on who they are et al but that whole ending was brutal.  :crying: Poor Toboe!


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And as I recall I was responding to a post that was about 20 + pages in the thread. Long after Ryzaki had posted several times that she isn't talking about IRL issues. The fact that she even had to mention that in the first place is a problem when anyone can read the OP and see that her request had nothing at all to do with IRL to begin with. Oh yeah, and that it's in the suggestions section of a game site. :rolleyes:

 

And no one defended rapists and serial killers just as no one should have to freaking tell you over and over again that requesting a LI type in a video game isn't real. Seriously, this is my last post to you. I don't care what you think about this thread or anyone in it. You came here to be offended and you got your wish.

Uh no, I was never addressing Ryzaki after a brief initial debate. This tedious back and forth between you and I when started you called a completely logical analysis "narrow minded" and called torturing, mass murdering and raping "simply a pov, subjective, and open to opinion".

 

 

You can't be a torturing, mass-murdering rapist and then go home and turn your Evil Switch to the "off" position to spend time with your kids.

 

Everything stated sounds very narrow minded considering that their are plenty of people who others consider "evil" and yet are loved by their family and friends. I'm sure lots of people consider Anders evil and yet he could still have Hawke as a buddy at the very end.  Evil is simply a pov, subjective, and open to opinion. Even if an evil LI tried to manipulate the PC into believing they are right, it isn't really a manipulation if the PC already agrees and feels the same way. Sounds like that evil LI found a kindred spirit moreso than a sucker. That quote assumes the PC who falls for the villain will automatically play a perfect snowflake who can't handle consequences. lol!

 

But you seem to be backtracking now and saying "It's just a game!" without wanting to admit that wasn't what you or I were talking about. Fine, whatever, at least you're here now. But speak for yourself, Kain seems to genuinely believe everything he's saying from the start of the thread to now, and frankly it concerns me.



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called torturing, mass murdering and raping "simply a pov, subjective, and open to opinion".

 

How is it not? It's a FACT that there are people that do not consider torture, mass murder or rape to be wrong, there are people that do not have the concept of right and wrong all together. How is that not enough to state that it is a subjective opinion? 


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It's called Moral Nihilism, look it up ^^



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The banker's just doing his job.


And in a competitive culture, that sort of selective empathy is widely practiced and accepted.

It's okay to deny some people life-saving goods and services - they are, after all, outsiders, and we empathize only with members of our own tribe (friends, family, co-workers, colleagues).

It's actually a law in the US that executives have a fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder wealth. When offering minimal salary / benefits, laying off employees, denying life-saving medical services to insureds, or poisoning the environment with toxic waste results in greater profit for shareholders (and bonuses for execs), we just accept it as them doing their jobs.

It isn't just business that behaves this way. Consumers are also pretty willing to snap up goods made on the cheap by slave labor in 3rd world countries, low-ball purchase offers, and trample each other in a stampede to snag that special Black Friday deal. People are pretty good at cruising right by those pathetic panhandlers and ignoring food bank donation requests when they're en route to the dealership to purchase that luxury automobile.

This is all normal, socially acceptable, everyday behavior. In a competitive culture, people have to compete to some degree to survive. The very willingness to compete implies a degree of selfishness.

Ramp it up a few notches and put it in a violent video game where endlessly slaughtering mooks is an everyday occurrence, and voila! Your darker LI.
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Going with the above:

 

"You let someone suffer immeasurably far away just so you can leave a mean comment on youtube while you're taking a ****" -Louis CK


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Well. It looks like I got my LI but it certainly wasn't who I expected. :lol:



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Well you have one...

Spoiler

I don't think you can get darker LI then this even if you asked for  :rolleyes:

So your wish has been made real.


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Well you have one...

Spoiler

I don't think you can get darker LI then this even if you asked for  :rolleyes:

So your wish has been made real.

I changed my decision of making my dalish mage aromantic/asexual for just this reason