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#201
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Maybe one day an LI can be a villain, and you're torn between choosing them over your role



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Having a character in violent opposition to you also function as an LI would be a pretty tricky nug to wrangle without it being all kinds of ew, so I would imagine.

Just be 100% evil and agree with everything they say.



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So what you're saying is that you wish HK-47 was a LI? Because seriously...I wish HK-47 was a LI. 

Can I have Darth Sion, pretty please :whistle: And Sarevok too!

 

Joke aside I wonder why the more dark/evil LI in Bioware games are always female(Virconia,Morrigan, DS Bastila) ? Not thing wrong with it, mind you. Just curious why.



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Having a character in violent opposition to you also function as an LI would be a pretty tricky nug to wrangle without it being all kinds of ew, so I would imagine.

Well, there's ye olde romance novel cliche of sharing a common enemy or forced to rely on each other in dangerous situation--->Belligerent Sexual Tension ensues--->??-->profit!



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Joke aside I wonder why the more dark/evil LI in Bioware games are always female(Virconia,Morrigan, DS Bastila) ? Not thing wrong with it, mind you. Just curious why.

 

I would say there's something wrong with it. Not with the fact that there are 'evil' female LIs (even though the ones we've had so far don't really match with what is being requested here), of course, just with the fact that there aren't any male ones. That's rather the point of this thread, in fact.^^

 

I'm not entirely sure why the male LIs are the way they are. It's not just that they aren't evil, it's also that they are very often either 'broken' in some way or shy. There weren't even really any normal good guys so far.


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Seems what is meant by "evil" is more like selfish/indifferent. Like say, imo, evil would be wanting everyone to die because it's fun to kill them. While the type of dark character advocates of this sound like they want would be more like "I don't care how many people die so long as I get what I want". Someone who would find a "choose between your LI or a million innocents" dilemma not to be a dilemma at all

 

Or at least that's what I'd like cause I could relate to that


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Seems what is meant by "evil" is more like selfish/indifferent. Like say, imo, evil would be wanting everyone to die because it's fun to kill them. While the type of dark character advocates of this sound like they want would be more like "I don't care how many people die so long as I get what I want". Someone who would find a "choose between your LI or a million innocents" dilemma not to be a dilemma at all

 

Or at least that's what I'd like cause I could relate to that

 

Yeah. I don't want stupid evil doing evil things cause they're evil no matter how much it blows in their face.

 

But someone who would crack someone's skull open without a moment's hesitation if there's something they need in the skull? Yep.


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#208
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Yeah I don't know what they were thinking with Jacob. I just...smh.

What, cheating on someone is a totally dark thing to do.



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Yeah. I don't want stupid evil doing evil things cause they're evil no matter how much it blows in their face.

 

But someone who would crack someone's skull open without a moment's hesitation if there's something they need in the skull? Yep.

How about a LI that tortures small animals for fun? That's dark AND realistic



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What, cheating on someone is a totally dark thing to do.

 

How about a LI that tortures small animals for fun? That's dark AND realistic

 

We get it. You rather not have an LI like this. Romance one of the many others that most likely won't fit this category. Especially considering I rather not repeat my preferences for the upteenth time to you.


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Torturing small animals is useless, it gains one nothing (aside pleasure if they're insane), so it's stupid/crazy evil. Pragmatic and selfish is what I want


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#212
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I'm just saying, it seems you don't want them that dark after all. I think Kain does though



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I'm just saying, it seems you don't want them that dark after all. I think Kain does though

 

So...someone who would torture someone without a moment's hesitation if it gets them something they want is good?

 

Stupid evil is not the only kind of evil.

 

I've played evil characters. They were not kick the puppies for lulz types because it was pointless.

 

They were villians with great publicity. They knew how to smile and be charming but they also had zero remorse or pity for anyone that wasn't themselves or their friends.



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Torturing small animals is useless, it gains one nothing (aside pleasure if they're insane), so it's stupid/crazy evil. Pragmatic and selfish is what I want

But people do it, it's probably the first thing I'd imagine if you told me someone has a dark secret. That or a rape dungeon



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So...someone who would torture someone without a moment's hesitation if it gets them something they want is good?

 

Stupid evil is not the only kind of evil.

 

I've played evil characters. They were not kick the puppies for lulz types because it was pointless.

 

They were villians with great publicity. They knew how to smile and be charming but they also had zero remorse or pity for anyone that wasn't themselves or their friends.

 

How about:

 

A guy is coming back home and meets a random person in the alley. He brakes that persons legs and steals their money. Then uses the money to buy his girlfriend flowers, and to spend a nice evening at the restaurant together. Now imagine that this persons girlfriend would do the same, and they are in a loving relationship. 

:lol:



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What about someone like Quentin if he fixated on the PC instead of various other people who had to be dismembered?



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Yeah. I don't want stupid evil doing evil things cause they're evil no matter how much it blows in their face.

 

But someone who would crack someone's skull open without a moment's hesitation if there's something they need in the skull? Yep.

So more of a Black Knight as opposed to the Knight in Shining Armor being asked for in the other thread? That's cool.

 

They could be siblings...TWINS even! Thus all sorts of identity shenanigans can ensue!



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What, cheating on someone is a totally dark thing to do.

 

Wouldn't mind that, actually, so long as there is the option of neither party really giving a **** about it.



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How about:

 

:lol:

 

Too close to brute for me. I prefer my evil the cunning scheming type. They can get their hands dirty but they rather not come to that. But when they do get their hands dirty they maximize the impact and value of the action. So no robbing Joe Smoe when they can rob someone wealthy instead.

 

Brutish evil too easily becomes stupid evil.

 

So basically the owner of the bank that robs people of their lives savings completely ruining them and on top of that gets paid by the gov't for his services. That type of evil. 

 

So more of a Black Knight as opposed to the Knight in Shining Armor being asked for in the other thread? That's cool.

 

They could be siblings...TWINS even! Thus all sorts of identity shenanigans can ensue!

 

Sort of yeah.

 

For extra mindscrew the black knight could be the one who was favored :P


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Wouldn't mind that, actually, so long as there is the option of neither party really giving a **** about it.

Meh then it's not really cheating is it? If the intended "victim" is ok, then no harm no foul. In fact I would see a dark couple actively not wanting to be monogamous to begin with, for why deny yourself the pleasure of another person simply because it's morally good to do so?

 

I'm kinda in that situation right now to be honest...and it works out ok.


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Too close to brute for me. I prefer my evil the cunning scheming type. They can get their hands dirty but they rather not come to that. But when they do get their hands dirty they maximize the impact and value of the action.

 

Brutish evil too easily becomes stupid evil.

 

So basically the owner of the bank that robs people of their lives savings completely ruining them and on top of that gets paid by the gov't for his services. That type of evil. 

 

 

Sort of yeah.

 

For extra mindscrew the black knight could be the one who was favored :P

Basically Carver and Hawke if Hawke was DKR Bane?



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Wouldn't mind that, actually, so long as there is the option of neither party really giving a **** about it.

 

See that wouldn't be cheating would it? Just an open relationship (which honestly I'd be fine with). So *shrug*


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Basically Carver and Hawke if Hawke was DKR Bane?

 

A bit yeah XD



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What about someone like Quentin if he fixated on the PC instead of various other people who had to be dismembered?

That's a love interest? I thought it was target practice.


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See that wouldn't be cheating would it? Just an open relationship (which honestly I'd be fine with). So *shrug*

*rolls eyes derisively*